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[shteuyn]

Sorry to bring the same question, but I would really like to get some clarification. In The Final Hours app one of the last segments is a comparison between some scenes that were deleted and how they were made differently in the final game. One of them is very interesting. The deleted scene shown is of your squadmates being hit by Harbinger's beam just like Shepard, which we know doesn't happen. But in the final scene equivalent Shepard is the only one to be shown getting hit by the beam like everyone knows, but when he wakes up his squadmates bodies are still lying on the ground nearby if you have low EMS. Why did they deleted the scene were they get hit by the beam? Is it because the beam hitting Shepard signals that everything after that was the hallucination? I mean if the squadmates are dead, then they're dead....unless they only wanted to show their dead bodies after the beam hits Shepard because they're death is an illusion. I mean, if the endings are supposed to be interpretated at face value showing them getting hit by the beam before Shepard wouldn't change anything. But if everything after the beam is in fact an illusion then it would made sense not to show the squadmates die before that because they never died.

[Big G13]

ivenoidea wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

POSTING A CORRECTION: I said it was Ivenoidea's post that pulled to the 'Coats as a Reaper agent side of the argument' but it was Boeloe's post back on page 424. But that was 18 hrs. ago and I'm still awake so, please, cut me some slack.

And there i was getting all excited because someone mentioned me by name 

Jk, i must have missed that post though, it's real interesting, thanks!

(For anyone that doesn't go back: It basicly sais that Shepard can't possibly dream up major Coats since he has never seen him before. That is assuming the first trailer was "indoctrination free")

Sorry.    hugs 

[Sero303]

Ravereth wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I've heard of the possibility of Coates being a reaper agent but nothing about him being a hallucination. Anyone willing to recap the evidence supporting that?

I'm not 100% knowledgable on the subject, but off the top of my head:

• No other characters aside from Shepard are seen directly acknowledging or conversing with Coates.
• Camera highlights a warning sign in the mako right next to Coates' head
• His character just seems to be too "off" to be real.
• There are several other elements (falling scraps of paper, bobbing camera, etc), to suggest that there are dream/hallucination elements creeping into the foreground of Shepard's consciousness in London.

I really think that's stretching it. Then we have to assume Anderson is a hallucination too, since he picks up where Coats leaves off in conversation during the shuttle pickup.

That and wouldn't Anderson and others wonder who the hell Shepard is talking to?

And to be fair, I've seen Garrus' head next to the caution sign in Sur'Kesh. Should I be careful with Garrus too? This is starting to become more like paranoia.

Agreeed it's starting seem abit like it,

Personally, I think that everything was a hallucination... Shepard definitely drinks too much 

I mentioned this in the other IDT threat ...
would I be the only one pissed if the "EC-DLC" turned out that everything,...everything in ME1 - ME2 - ME3 was apart of the "prothean vision" from the Eden Prime beacon in the opening mission of Mass Effect?

[Ravereth]

Sero303 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I've heard of the possibility of Coates being a reaper agent but nothing about him being a hallucination. Anyone willing to recap the evidence supporting that?

I'm not 100% knowledgable on the subject, but off the top of my head:

• No other characters aside from Shepard are seen directly acknowledging or conversing with Coates.
• Camera highlights a warning sign in the mako right next to Coates' head
• His character just seems to be too "off" to be real.
• There are several other elements (falling scraps of paper, bobbing camera, etc), to suggest that there are dream/hallucination elements creeping into the foreground of Shepard's consciousness in London.

I really think that's stretching it. Then we have to assume Anderson is a hallucination too, since he picks up where Coats leaves off in conversation during the shuttle pickup.

That and wouldn't Anderson and others wonder who the hell Shepard is talking to?

And to be fair, I've seen Garrus' head next to the caution sign in Sur'Kesh. Should I be careful with Garrus too? This is starting to become more like paranoia.

Agreeed it's starting seem abit like it,

Personally, I think that everything was a hallucination... Shepard definitely drinks too much 

I mentioned this in the other IDT threat ...
would I be the only one pissed if the "EC-DLC" turned out that everything,...everything in ME1 - ME2 - ME3 was apart of the "prothean vision" from the Eden Prime beacon in the opening mission of Mass Effect?

NO, NO, NO! That would be even worse than the current ending...

[nightcobra]

Sero303 wrote...

I mentioned this in the other IDT threat ...
would I be the only one pissed if the "EC-DLC" turned out that everything,...everything in ME1 - ME2 - ME3 was apart of the "prothean vision" from the Eden Prime beacon in the opening mission of Mass Effect?

if that atrocity were to happen, i'd say bioware's time in this cycle is over.

[paxxton]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

I mentioned this in the other IDT threat ...
would I be the only one pissed if the "EC-DLC" turned out that everything,...everything in ME1 - ME2 - ME3 was apart of the "prothean vision" from the Eden Prime beacon in the opening mission of Mass Effect?

if that atrocity were to happen, i'd say bioware's time in this cycle is over.

That would be something unbelievably remarkable (the LOST-like ending).

Modifié par paxxton, 03 juin 2012 - 06:39 .

[Big G13]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

I mentioned this in the other IDT threat ...
would I be the only one pissed if the "EC-DLC" turned out that everything,...everything in ME1 - ME2 - ME3 was apart of the "prothean vision" from the Eden Prime beacon in the opening mission of Mass Effect?

if that atrocity were to happen, i'd say bioware's time in this cycle is over.

lmao. 

[Sero303]

paxxton wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

I mentioned this in the other IDT threat ...
would I be the only one pissed if the "EC-DLC" turned out that everything,...everything in ME1 - ME2 - ME3 was apart of the "prothean vision" from the Eden Prime beacon in the opening mission of Mass Effect?

if that atrocity were to happen, i'd say bioware's time in this cycle is over.

That would be something unbelievably remarkable.

You have to admit, it would be something, very unexpected. But I agree that whole sixth sense plot twist would just gut the franchise in it's entirety, not like your decesions even mattered anyway ( given the current ending )

[paxxton]

Sero303 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

I mentioned this in the other IDT threat ...
would I be the only one pissed if the "EC-DLC" turned out that everything,...everything in ME1 - ME2 - ME3 was apart of the "prothean vision" from the Eden Prime beacon in the opening mission of Mass Effect?

if that atrocity were to happen, i'd say bioware's time in this cycle is over.

That would be something unbelievably remarkable.

You have to admit, it would be something, very unexpected. But I agree that whole sixth sense plot twist would just gut the franchise in it's entirety, not like your decesions even mattered anyway ( given the current ending )

I see such a twist as a great business opportunity, though a risky one. They can throw away the whole load of variables that accumulated in the course of 3 games and perform a series reset without throwing the whole "Reapers are coming" idea out the window. Furthermore, BioWare is left with the whole franchise fairly developed and has only to make up a new story for Shepard and friends. Even more, they gain time to further refine the loose details of ME universe.

[RavenEyry]

Y'know, it's interesting that lots of people still don't know control is only available with low EMS if you saved the collector base, instead of destroy. This implies pretty much everyone destroyed the station despite the potential benefits and being told to keep it by an established character. Many of these same people are extolling the virtues of control/synthesis despite only being told to by a character that appears in the last 5 minutes and not too by dozens of established characters.

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

Y'know, it's interesting that lots of people still don't know control is only available with low EMS if you saved the collector base, instead of destroy. This implies pretty much everyone destroyed the station despite the potential benefits and being told to keep it by an established character. Many of these same people are extolling the virtues of control/synthesis despite only being told to by a character that appears in the last 5 minutes and not too by dozens of established characters.

Excellent point!

+1 interweb for a fine statistical derivation of how well -- and efficiently -- BioWare (possibly) indoctrinated those players.

Remark: For evidence that would require a poll to show that those players indeed played ME2 and not only chose that in the character creation of ME3.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 03 juin 2012 - 07:22 .

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Y'know, it's interesting that lots of people still don't know control is only available with low EMS if you saved the collector base, instead of destroy. This implies pretty much everyone destroyed the station despite the potential benefits and being told to keep it by an established character. Many of these same people are extolling the virtues of control/synthesis despite only being told to by a character that appears in the last 5 minutes and not too by dozens of established characters.

Excellent point!

+1 interweb for a fine statistical derivation of how well -- and efficiently -- BioWare (possibly) indoctrinated those players.

LOL. I saved the Collectors' Base but imported another playthrough in which I destroyed it because in the original I lost a significant chunk of my crew.

[ivenoidea]

I just had a thought while playing through ME3 again. Would any cycle after us even have the chance of using the crucible? (Or whatever they would call it.)

We know that the citadel is the catalyst because of the Prothean VI, we could easily leave one for the next cycle. (Actually i think Liara did just that.)

The problem is: The Illusive Man told the reapers that the citadel is the catalyst, as explained by the Prothean VI they did not know this. So, in future cycles they will most likely keep a closer eye on the citadel to avoid being destroyed.

All this is assuming that Shepard dreamed, wakes up in the rubble and does not manage to stop the reapers.

[Unschuld]

I have a humble request, people. If anyone can extract the 3D models of the APCs (Mako and M-080 etc), A-67 gunship, Kodiak pretty much ANY of the smaller vehicles, or at the very least tell me how to do it so I can view them at all angles, I would be most appreciative.

[TSA_383]

Unschuld wrote...

I have a humble request, people. If anyone can extract the 3D models of the APCs (Mako and M-080 etc), A-67 gunship, Kodiak pretty much ANY of the smaller vehicles, or at the very least tell me how to do it so I can view them at all angles, I would be most appreciative.

Do you just want to view them at wierd angles or export them to something else?

[Unschuld]

TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I have a humble request, people. If anyone can extract the 3D models of the APCs (Mako and M-080 etc), A-67 gunship, Kodiak pretty much ANY of the smaller vehicles, or at the very least tell me how to do it so I can view them at all angles, I would be most appreciative.

Do you just want to view them at wierd angles or export them to something else?

Just want to view them at weird angles.

[Unschuld]

i.e. I saw the breath scene again today and noticed some... stuff.. and I wanted to see if any of the shapes and angles matched up.

[ivenoidea]

Unschuld wrote...

i.e. I saw the breath scene again today and noticed some... stuff.. and I wanted to see if any of the shapes and angles matched up.

You mean the mako in the background? I think someone in this thread did a comparison a while back.

It would fit perfectly with Shepard being knocked out by Harbies beam though, since there was a Mako with him on the run.

Modifié par ivenoidea, 03 juin 2012 - 07:34 .

[Adambomb1222]

Have we come to any new realizations? I have been gone for a while so I don't know whats been going on.

[balance5050]

ivenoidea wrote...

I just had a thought while playing through ME3 again. Would any cycle after us even have the chance of using the crucible? (Or whatever they would call it.)

Well, if we take the endings at face value, then we actually see the crucible explode, so any future civilizations (or crazy evil geniuses) that wanted to use it would need to find the plans and pay for the asinine amount of money and manpower it takes to create it.

But if we take the I.T. ending then we simply don't yet know what the crucible actually does, so it's a moot point. 

Modifié par balance5050, 03 juin 2012 - 07:38 .

[FFZero]

Unschuld wrote...

I have a humble request, people. If anyone can extract the 3D models of the APCs (Mako and M-080 etc), A-67 gunship, Kodiak pretty much ANY of the smaller vehicles, or at the very least tell me how to do it so I can view them at all angles, I would be most appreciative.

You can use Umodel to extract in game models, however most, if not all, of the vehicles in the game are broken up into multiple models. The kodiak for example is made up of about 6 or 7 models, the doors, the cockpit, the seats etc. Unless you put these parts back together in 3DS Max or a similar program you probably won’t find whatever it is you’re looking for.

Umodel found here - http://www.gildor.or...projects/umodel

Modifié par FFZero, 03 juin 2012 - 07:38 .

[Ravereth]

Unschuld wrote...

i.e. I saw the breath scene again today and noticed some... stuff.. and I wanted to see if any of the shapes and angles matched up.

You mean the mako-like vehicle? 

[Big G13]

ivenoidea wrote...

I just had a thought while playing through ME3 again. Would any cycle after us even have the chance of using the crucible? (Or whatever they would call it.)

We know that the citadel is the catalyst because of the Prothean VI, we could easily leave one for the next cycle. (Actually i think Liara did just that.)

The problem is: The Illusive Man told the reapers that the citadel is the catalyst, as explained by the Prothean VI they did not know this. So, in future cycles they will most likely keep a closer eye on the citadel to avoid being destroyed.

All this is assuming that Shepard dreamed, wakes up in the rubble and does not manage to stop the reapers.

Good points all. I think everything that has happened in the previous cycles and what the Prothians accomplished after the reapers went back to dark space gives this cycle the best chance for victory. If the Reapers win in this cycle they may be unbeatable in future cycles.
P.S lol. I only just now realized what your name tag says. Sometimes I'm really sssslllllloooooowwwww.:happy:

[Unschuld]

ivenoidea wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

i.e. I saw the breath scene again today and noticed some... stuff.. and I wanted to see if any of the shapes and angles matched up.

You mean the mako in the background? I think someone in this thread did a comparison a while back.

It would fit perfectly with Shepard being knocked out by Harbies beam though, since there was a Mako with him on the run.

Kinda. I want to see if that's a Mako or not. Same with the "curved Reaper metal", which I don't think fits. It has some specific patterns and an asymmetrical two-line pinstripe that I haven't matched to anything yet. All I can say is that it looks like a paint pattern and not a seam. There's also three specific pieces/layers. Also looking at the angles of whatever tech that is in the background as the camera stops panning. Another thing is that Shepard was implied to have been riding in an M-080 APC up to the beam, not an M-35 Mako. If that wreckage in the background is an M-080, it gives credance to the theory that Shepard starts hallucinating when the screen cuts to black before the run down the hill.

I'm viewing the breath scene at 1080p on youtube, but if anyone has a brightened/higher contrast version they know of, I'd like that too.

[Ethan Saunders]

I have a quick question regarding a theory of mine (will be postet later).

Do we know if anyone in the galaxy has access to plans of the citadel?
Like indepth maps or blueprints?
Or to be more precise - do we know if something like this exist?

Modifié par Ethan Saunders, 03 juin 2012 - 07:48 .