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Rosewind wrote...

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Lex you know how I feel about Squirrel face.....


What about the edit?

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AT LAST! MY GREAT WORK IS COMPLETED!

Wow! Not done reading it yet but so far its great :)

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What like a new Comander Sherpard? who has no story nothing to do with the characters.....don't think that will work for ME


I agree. Plus, having to pay for the ending to ME3 in an expansion pack seems like a really bad idea to me. A lot of people already don't like the idea of IT being true. If they make players pay for the true ending, no matter how awesome it is, its going to hurt their sales.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

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Lex you know how I feel about Squirrel face.....


What about the edit?


Much better :D baby Asari is so cuteeeeee

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Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

[...]

Lex you know how I feel about Squirrel face.....


What about the edit?


Much better :D baby Asari is so cuteeeeee


Squirrel face?

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byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

[...]

Lex you know how I feel about Squirrel face.....


What about the edit?


Much better :D baby Asari is so cuteeeeee


Squirrel face?


Some people refer to this picture when "squirrel face" comes up.


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Hi,

I have a few questions about IT, that I'd mentioned a few days ago, but this forum moves fast and they got buried pretty quick, so I thought I'd ask again.

I like alot of things about IT, but if the whole thing is a dream/hallucination, then we don't really have an answer to what happened.

AND, if it's only part hallucination/dream, then how on earth does Shepard wake up at the end. The SR-1 was a much smaller explosion, and Shepard had a full spacesuit, and still died. How does falling from the citadel makes sense without space magic?

I have another alternative theory if anyone is interested, but I figured you guys care about IT the most, so I should ask you.:)

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Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Who cares about people with no internet, not to sound like an A hole but if you're a gamer and you have no internet, I'm sure you already know what you're missing. Sorry, but in this day and age where rpgs are getting constant updates, a modern gamer has an internet connection. Most people I know have had internet for over a decade....


True, but still, if IT is real (assuming that it wouldn't lead into ME4 anyway), then offline players who bought the game would be screwed over. I mean, you can't just tell your players that the game is playable offline and then have the real ending be available ONLY online.


I like to think the majority of gamers have internet access but I really don't know enough to say that. If IT is true and the rest of the game is released via free DLC, Bioware will probably (hopefully) release a DLC disk of some sort so those players can get to it.


It's an innovative idea, and the majority do, yes.  But it's also dismissing a healthy number of traditional console gamers who simply keep their systems offline---and, in many situations, might not have done the research into the extended cut.

Then again, I imagine that there's a pretty positive correlation between the number of people who care about the Extended Cut situation and those who have the internet. 

Dunno.  Just think it might set a dangerous precedent.  I'm excited for it, of course, but I don't like the implications.


I still remain of the opinion that they never meant to make the EC. Do you know what I DO see happening after the EC is released? (Basically making indoctrination a bit more clear, perhaps we pan down to Shepard lying in the rubble, his eyes snap open, revealing indoctrinated orbs as a way of making it obvious.)

Two words.

Expansion. Pack. More money for them, more gameplay for us, and everyone, even console players without a internet connection can pick it up. Do like Dragon Age Awakening did, if Shepard died you can continue for the expansion pack with a new character, perhaps setting up for ME4. If not, wrap up Shepard's story in this expansion and still get hints for ME4.


What like a new Comander Sherpard? who has no story nothing to do with the characters.....don't think that will work for ME


Easily done actually.Expansion pack installs to console harddrive, includes a copy of the EC, load it up play the EC, it plays through the EC and the end of the game,  then you can get taken to the expansion. Create character or simply import your Shepard. Then it probably goes something like;

HACKETT:"Colonel. Good to meet you."

NEW CHARACTER: Admiral Hackett.

HACKETT: Welcome to the Normandy Colonel, this will be your assignment, since Commander Shepard's death the crew has been extremely demoralized and she finds herself without a commanding officer. You managed to acquit yourself quite well during the Seige. Alliance Command has chosen you to take the Normandy and her crew to [insert location here].

NEW CHARACTER: Understood sir.

JOKER: So...

NEW CHARACTER: So.... what? Speak up soldier.

JOKER: So, is command going to wait for Shepard's corpse to get cold before they assign us  a new commanding officer, or did they grow a heart?

NEW CHARACTER[sarcasm]: Well, permission to speak frankly granted flight lieutenant.

JOKER: Ma'am/Sir with all due respect, you are not Commander Shepard. And no one is going to replace him.

[Paragon] NEW CHARACTER: No Mr. Moreau, I'm not. and neither am I trying to be, but if you give me a chance, then I might surprise you.

[Renegade] NEW CHARACTER: I am not Commander Shepard, flight LIEUTENANT. Neither am I trying to be, but either way I am your new commanding officer, and as such, I demand the respect I am due. Understood?

JOKER: Understood.

JOKER[whispered]: Hardass.

Either that or;

HACKETT: Commander Shepard, good to see you up and about.

SHEPARD: Thank you sir.

HACKETT: You've already been briefed on the mission we need you to deal with, Mr.Moreau will take you to the co-ordinates indicated. Hackett out.

JOKER: Commander, good to have you back.

SHEPARD: Good to be back Joker.

Basically, the EC remains the end of "Mass Effect 3" But they release an expansion pack which includes it on the disc, and allows the player to either play a new character or play a sort of epilogue to ME3.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 04 juin 2012 - 04:58 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

[...]

Lex you know how I feel about Squirrel face.....


What about the edit?


Much better :D baby Asari is so cuteeeeee


Squirrel face?


Some people refer to this picture when "squirrel face" comes up.

*Snip*



AHH PUT IT AWAY!!!

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Who cares about people with no internet, not to sound like an A hole but if you're a gamer and you have no internet, I'm sure you already know what you're missing. Sorry, but in this day and age where rpgs are getting constant updates, a modern gamer has an internet connection. Most people I know have had internet for over a decade....


True, but still, if IT is real (assuming that it wouldn't lead into ME4 anyway), then offline players who bought the game would be screwed over. I mean, you can't just tell your players that the game is playable offline and then have the real ending be available ONLY online.


I like to think the majority of gamers have internet access but I really don't know enough to say that. If IT is true and the rest of the game is released via free DLC, Bioware will probably (hopefully) release a DLC disk of some sort so those players can get to it.


It's an innovative idea, and the majority do, yes.  But it's also dismissing a healthy number of traditional console gamers who simply keep their systems offline---and, in many situations, might not have done the research into the extended cut.

Then again, I imagine that there's a pretty positive correlation between the number of people who care about the Extended Cut situation and those who have the internet. 

Dunno.  Just think it might set a dangerous precedent.  I'm excited for it, of course, but I don't like the implications.


I still remain of the opinion that they never meant to make the EC. Do you know what I DO see happening after the EC is released? (Basically making indoctrination a bit more clear, perhaps we pan down to Shepard lying in the rubble, his eyes snap open, revealing indoctrinated orbs as a way of making it obvious.)

Two words.

Expansion. Pack. More money for them, more gameplay for us, and everyone, even console players without a internet connection can pick it up. Do like Dragon Age Awakening did, if Shepard died you can continue for the expansion pack with a new character, perhaps setting up for ME4. If not, wrap up Shepard's story in this expansion and still get hints for ME4.


What like a new Comander Sherpard? who has no story nothing to do with the characters.....don't think that will work for ME


Easily done actually.Expansion pack installs to console harddrive, includes a copy of the EC, load it up play the EC, get taken to the expansion. Create character or simply import your Shepard. Then it probably goes something like;

HACKETT:"Colonel. Good to meet you."

NEW CHARACTER: Admiral Hackett.

HACKETT: Welcome to the Normandy Colonel, this will be your assignment, since Commander Shepard's death the crew has been extremely demoralized and she finds herself without a commanding officer. You managed to acquit yourself quite well during the Seige. Alliance Command has chosen you to take the Normandy and her crew to [insert location here].

NEW CHARACTER: Understood sir.

JOKER: So...

NEW CHARACTER: So.... what? Speak up soldier.

JOKER: So, is command going to wait for Shepard's corpse to get cold before they assign us  a new commanding officer, or did they grow a heart?

NEW CHARACTER[sarcasm]: Well, permission to speak frankly granted flight lieutenant.

JOKER: Ma'am/Sir with all due respect, you are not Commander Shepard. And no one is going to replace him.

[Paragon] NEW CHARACTER: No Mr. Moreau, I'm not. and neither am I trying to be, but if you give me a chance, then I might surprise you.

[Renegade] NEW CHARACTER: I am not Commander Shepard, flight LIEUTENANT. Neither am I trying to be, but either way I am your new commanding officer, and as such, I demand the respect I am due. Understood?

JOKER: Understood.

JOKER[whispered]: Hardass.

Either that or;

HACKETT: Commander Shepard, good to see you up and about.

SHEPARD: Thank you sir.

HACKETT: You've already been briefed on the mission we need you to deal with, Mr.Moreau will take you to the co-ordinates indicated. Hackett out.

JOKER: Commander, good to have you back.

SHEPARD: Good to be back Joker.


Yeah but after three games I still think it be improbable

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Rosewind wrote...
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Yeah but after three games I still think it be improbable


Sorry about that, read the edit.

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Arian Dynas wrote...


HACKETT: You've already been briefed on the mission we need you to deal with, Mr.Moreau will take you to the co-ordinates indicated. Hackett out.


He has a rank Hackett! 

So, would the new character basically be like the Orlesian Warden Commander in DA:O Awakening if your warden made the ultimate sacrifice?

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warlock22 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

AT LAST! MY GREAT WORK IS COMPLETED!

Wow! Not done reading it yet but so far its great :)


Thank you. I don't think you were around to read the others, but I occasionally do re-writes of a script I wrote to prove a point, now primarily for the amusement of the IT thread

To be entirely honest, while yes I did manage in the end, it was hard trying to wrap the thing up without shoehorning in gameplay.

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THANK YOU LEX0R!! Been to long since I've seen the blue baby. :) :) :)

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BlackswordSteve wrote...

What like a new Comander Sherpard? who has no story nothing to do with the characters.....don't think that will work for ME


I agree. Plus, having to pay for the ending to ME3 in an expansion pack seems like a really bad idea to me. A lot of people already don't like the idea of IT being true. If they make players pay for the true ending, no matter how awesome it is, its going to hurt their sales.



The way I see it is no matter what the motives were of Bioware, we did buy the ending of ME3 and even if we didn't like it, it is still the ending of the game.  The EC is just clarification, not a new ending, plus it is free and optional.  Expanion packs are made to expand on the current game universe with large additional content that costs $$ and is still optional.  To think that paying for an expansion pack means that you are paying for the real ending is ridiculous, that is like saying that paying for Mass Effect 2 and 3 is just Bioware ripping everyone off who bought Mass Effect 1 because it did not end the war.

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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


HACKETT: You've already been briefed on the mission we need you to deal with, Mr.Moreau will take you to the co-ordinates indicated. Hackett out.


He has a rank Hackett! 

So, would the new character basically be like the Orlesian Warden Commander in DA:O Awakening if your warden made the ultimate sacrifice?


That's the idea. It wraps up the story Mass Effect 3 with the EC on the disc, though you can still download just the EC seperately for free if you choose, but this way people without an internet connection can get the EC still, and then we get another small story working like a sort of Epilogue for Shepards who survived, and giving a glimpse of ME4 for Shepards who didn't.

It's a thought.

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Welp, time to go read all the stuff I missed.
But I do like the mentioning of the 'belly of the beast'- seems kind of appropriate considering what Shepard is going through.
EDIT: I mean whale.

Modifié par Mr. Sandman2190, 04 juin 2012 - 05:09 .


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@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


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Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

Welp, time to go read all the stuff I missed.
But I do like the mentioning of the 'belly of the beast'- seems kind of appropriate considering what Shepard is going through.
EDIT: I mean whale.


Actually it's a writer's term, it's basically referring to the part in the story in which it seems there is no hope for the hero. Read Campbell's Hero With a Thousand Faces and you'll see what I mean.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.

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What's the traffic with Conrad Varner's dark energy device schematic related to the crucible? I just got to that point on my third playthrough (first attempt at insanity), and i don't remember the parts where he had to get a schematic that needed an unlock from something that i did in ME1 (too dumb to remember) and then needed a patent from Elkoss Combine. Does this point to the original ending that got wiped?

Edited:  Needed the asari matriarch writings from ME1 and had to deal with Gavin Hossle for the unlock.

Modifié par steve1868, 04 juin 2012 - 05:31 .


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BlackswordSteve wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Who cares about people with no internet, not to sound like an A hole but if you're a gamer and you have no internet, I'm sure you already know what you're missing. Sorry, but in this day and age where rpgs are getting constant updates, a modern gamer has an internet connection. Most people I know have had internet for over a decade....


True, but still, if IT is real (assuming that it wouldn't lead into ME4 anyway), then offline players who bought the game would be screwed over. I mean, you can't just tell your players that the game is playable offline and then have the real ending be available ONLY online.

I know I'm late, but, this whole conversation feeds into the larger narrative about progressive marketing strategies. Nickel and dimeing people. Setting conditions so that you have to have X to get Y. And now that you have X, might as well get Z,Q, and T while your at it. Like having to get online and play MP to get the best possible ending in SP. I'm not saying it's not an effective strategy, I'm just saying that, imho, it's smarmy, slimy, scummy. Like drug dealer on the corner scummy. Make a complete product and sell it. If people want more they will find a way to get it. But one should not be dependent on the other. And imo thats the difference between a smaller customer focused company and a large profit focused one.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

Welp, time to go read all the stuff I missed.
But I do like the mentioning of the 'belly of the beast'- seems kind of appropriate considering what Shepard is going through.
EDIT: I mean whale.


Actually it's a writer's term, it's basically referring to the part in the story in which it seems there is no hope for the hero. Read Campbell's Hero With a Thousand Faces and you'll see what I mean.

Never heard of that book---I'll go check it out when I have some more cash.
I'm still looking at it , but I like what I am looking at so far.
Just ouyt of curiosity, what inspired you to make the various interpretations of Shepard's true fate?

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Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.


Lol. Ouch.