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#11001
Arian Dynas

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Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

Welp, time to go read all the stuff I missed.
But I do like the mentioning of the 'belly of the beast'- seems kind of appropriate considering what Shepard is going through.
EDIT: I mean whale.


Actually it's a writer's term, it's basically referring to the part in the story in which it seems there is no hope for the hero. Read Campbell's Hero With a Thousand Faces and you'll see what I mean.

Never heard of that book---I'll go check it out when I have some more cash.
I'm still looking at it , but I like what I am looking at so far.
Just ouyt of curiosity, what inspired you to make the various interpretations of Shepard's true fate?


Check your local highschool library, it's sure to have a copy, if not, check your college campus, it's old enough that George Lucas was using it as reference material when writing Star Wars. It's basically a discussion ofthe nature of the hero in a narrative, usually a coming of age story.

Well the series is about choice, so I figured I'd give you guys some.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

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@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.


Lol. Ouch.


Well, I havent finished it yet. Or even started.

Gonna read it tomorrow.

As for tonight, I found my RvB season 1-5 remastered boxset, so I'm kind of busy watching that at the moment. :D

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.


Lol. Ouch.


It is quite long hun lol

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Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.


Lol. Ouch.


It is quite long hun lol


I think he interpreted what you said as 'The only reason people arent complaining about it is because they havent finished it yet,' which sort of implies complaints are definitely incoming, hence the 'ouch'

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Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.


Lol. Ouch.


It is quite long hun lol


Strange... alot of women tell me that...

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.


Lol. Ouch.


It is quite long hun lol


Strange... alot of women tell me that...


About your hair most probably :P I know harsh lol

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byne wrote...
*snip*
I think he interpreted what you said as 'The only reason people arent complaining about it is because they havent finished it yet,' which sort of implies complaints are definitely incoming, hence the 'ouch'


Spot on.

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Rosewind wrote...
*snip*
About your hair most probably :P I know harsh lol


Oooh, ouch it bites. :P

Besides, I am quite proud of my mane of hair, I'll never go bald.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...
*snip*
I think he interpreted what you said as 'The only reason people arent complaining about it is because they havent finished it yet,' which sort of implies complaints are definitely incoming, hence the 'ouch'


Spot on.


Sorry, I don't know about the complaint part but it's likely a lot of people haven't finished reading it cause it is long.

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Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.


Lol. Ouch.


It is quite long hun lol


Strange... alot of women tell me that...


About your hair most probably :P I know harsh lol



LOL. I love you both.
Especially Rose, about time I return all the love.


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lex0r11 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@ Arian Dynas
What can I say, it's a brilliant script, and to quote lexor:


*snip*




I gotta admit actually, I'm surprised, thus far this is the only one I have written where people had NO nitpick at all.


Probably cause they haven't finished it yet.


Lol. Ouch.


It is quite long hun lol


Strange... alot of women tell me that...


About your hair most probably :P I know harsh lol



LOL. I love you both.
Especially Rose, about time I return all the love.


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Yeah Lexor!!! <3, anyway ontopic now people!!!

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

Welp, time to go read all the stuff I missed.
But I do like the mentioning of the 'belly of the beast'- seems kind of appropriate considering what Shepard is going through.
EDIT: I mean whale.


Actually it's a writer's term, it's basically referring to the part in the story in which it seems there is no hope for the hero. Read Campbell's Hero With a Thousand Faces and you'll see what I mean.

Never heard of that book---I'll go check it out when I have some more cash.
I'm still looking at it , but I like what I am looking at so far.
Just ouyt of curiosity, what inspired you to make the various interpretations of Shepard's true fate?


Check your local highschool library, it's sure to have a copy, if not, check your college campus, it's old enough that George Lucas was using it as reference material when writing Star Wars. It's basically a discussion ofthe nature of the hero in a narrative, usually a coming of age story.

Well the series is about choice, so I figured I'd give you guys some.

:blink: Whoa.

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Arian, are they talking about your script for IDT in ur sig?

If it's as good as your reaper origin backstory.. I can see why people are excited about it =)

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Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.


Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.

So, conventional war is about to start... but there are a few things that need to be done before you can start the attrition process to push Reapers off planets and out of systems... and one very important thing to NOTE!

The war with the Prothians lasted centuries. Liara: "We are not so wide spread, but it would take at least 100 years. Now of course, we/Shep won't let that happen. Not with a united galaxy at our backs.

My take is the Reapers in Sol beat tentacle out of the system; regardless of ending choice, and the war pretty much goes into a 'mutual regroup' pause. If Shep's indoctrinated the Reapers will likely bide their time, allowing events to take place that will aid them in their conquest, but not for long... There still may be hope for Control/Synthesis Sheps, depending on EMS, because maybe someone can snap them out of it before Javik slits their throat.

During the calm...

So after Shep wakes up in the Normandy med bay, heals up, (s)he and crew still need to get into the Citadel. You can use the copout way in via Aria, or zip off to Ilos to hop the mini Relay to the Citadel Presidium. (epic)

Once inside the Citadel, queue the Citadel defense force: This dictates game play (enemies and allies), and fighting commences to take it back from husks and any small Reapers inside. The more CDF you had, the more allies and civilians live.

Once that is over, it's time to help Aria (unless they put 'Take Back Omega" into the middle of ME3 with a DLC which would suck because of the current ending (EVEN if it's IT). So, Shep and crew beat feet to Omega, help Aria take back Omega and go after TIM. The Real TIM... and it's a fight. I don't care if it's words or weapons. We had the choice with Saren, so BW can do the same with TIM. Paragon/Renegade or Fight... maybe even ally TIM at this point, but he still needs Jail time after this is over.

After that... Oh yeah, there's a big ass Reaper war going on... That is yet to be won.

So what now... Well, lets see. Earth is good, the squids ran, so...

Thesia + MP Thesia (but different than horde) for added bonus

Palavin + MP Palavin (but different than horde) for added bonus - you get the idea...

Hanar Home World - new enemy husks.

Volus... maybe - there is already a lot here for ONE game and no real side quests or filler as of yet... I want side quests back... I know they doen't fit ME3 as it stands, but all that is suggested here as an expansion or ME4 - give us some good side quest filler! Some of ME2s quests were down right fun and would be even better with ME3s gameplay.

Then Harbinger... who would be where? How about full circle... and damnit, This is how I would get Narl on my damn ship as a Squadie; recruitable as a reward for helping Aria.

Khar'shan - Conceivably, all reaper forces would have retreated to this system as they were pushed off home worlds, so this would be THE FINAL fleet and a ground war and the real final battle.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Arian, are they talking about your script for IDT in ur sig?

If it's as good as your reaper origin backstory.. I can see why people are excited about it =)




All you guys go on to his thread and post something:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/368/index/12095313/1#12405292

Uh, hi Jade, nice to see you!

I'll stop now with my off topic madness.

:mellow:

Modifié par lex0r11, 04 juin 2012 - 06:03 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Arian, are they talking about your script for IDT in ur sig?

If it's as good as your reaper origin backstory.. I can see why people are excited about it =)


Go back to page 439 I posted my newest re-write.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Arian, are they talking about your script for IDT in ur sig?

If it's as good as your reaper origin backstory.. I can see why people are excited about it =)




All you guys go on to his thread and post something:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/368/index/12095313/1#12405292

Uh, hi Jade, nice to see you!

I'll stop now with my off topic madness.

:mellow:


Sorry.. Who is this?.... OH Lexorr!!! I didn't recognize you without any motivationals Posted Image

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Arian can you make a version where TIM lives and does something awesome at the end if we took the paragon option with him every time or something.

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Hey there's some jerk named Leafs43 starting a massive flame war about the IT and making you guys look like a bunch of nutjobs, can one of you go in and deal with him?

He started at page 4, the threads at page 10 and he wont stop. http://social.biowar...ndex/12402399/4

Modifié par xsdob, 04 juin 2012 - 06:17 .


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plfranke wrote...

Arian can you make a version where TIM lives and does something awesome at the end if we took the paragon option with him every time or something.


Oh TIM DOES live, he cuts his losses and disappears. Did you really think getting thrown over a railing could kill The Illusive Man?

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xsdob wrote...

Hey there's some jerk named Leafs43 starting a massive flame war about the IT and making you guys look like a bunch of nutjobs, can one of you go in and deal with him?

He started at page 4, the threads at page 10 and he wont stop. http://social.biowar...ndex/12402399/4


Never fear, your friendly neighborhood paladin is here.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Hey there's some jerk named Leafs43 starting a massive flame war about the IT and making you guys look like a bunch of nutjobs, can one of you go in and deal with him?

He started at page 4, the threads at page 10 and he wont stop. http://social.biowar...ndex/12402399/4


Never fear, your friendly neighborhood paladin is here.



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Arian Dynas wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Hey there's some jerk named Leafs43 starting a massive flame war about the IT and making you guys look like a bunch of nutjobs, can one of you go in and deal with him?

He started at page 4, the threads at page 10 and he wont stop. http://social.biowar...ndex/12402399/4


Never fear, your friendly neighborhood paladin is here.


Thank you so much, you have my gratitude nobel warrior.

Modifié par xsdob, 04 juin 2012 - 06:29 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Hey there's some jerk named Leafs43 starting a massive flame war about the IT and making you guys look like a bunch of nutjobs, can one of you go in and deal with him?

He started at page 4, the threads at page 10 and he wont stop. http://social.biowar...ndex/12402399/4


Never fear, your friendly neighborhood paladin is here.



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Have to say that was awesome timing on th button for screen shots. I even read that in his voice.

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Turbo_J wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.


Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.

So, conventional war is about to start... but there are a few things that need to be done before you can start the attrition process to push Reapers off planets and out of systems... and one very important thing to NOTE!

The war with the Prothians lasted centuries. Liara: "We are not so wide spread, but it would take at least 100 years. Now of course, we/Shep won't let that happen. Not with a united galaxy at our backs.

My take is the Reapers in Sol beat tentacle out of the system; regardless of ending choice, and the war pretty much goes into a 'mutual regroup' pause. If Shep's indoctrinated the Reapers will likely bide their time, allowing events to take place that will aid them in their conquest, but not for long... There still may be hope for Control/Synthesis Sheps, depending on EMS, because maybe someone can snap them out of it before Javik slits their throat.

During the calm...

So after Shep wakes up in the Normandy med bay, heals up, (s)he and crew still need to get into the Citadel. You can use the copout way in via Aria, or zip off to Ilos to hop the mini Relay to the Citadel Presidium. (epic)

Once inside the Citadel, queue the Citadel defense force: This dictates game play (enemies and allies), and fighting commences to take it back from husks and any small Reapers inside. The more CDF you had, the more allies and civilians live.

Once that is over, it's time to help Aria (unless they put 'Take Back Omega" into the middle of ME3 with a DLC which would suck because of the current ending (EVEN if it's IT). So, Shep and crew beat feet to Omega, help Aria take back Omega and go after TIM. The Real TIM... and it's a fight. I don't care if it's words or weapons. We had the choice with Saren, so BW can do the same with TIM. Paragon/Renegade or Fight... maybe even ally TIM at this point, but he still needs Jail time after this is over.

After that... Oh yeah, there's a big ass Reaper war going on... That is yet to be won.

So what now... Well, lets see. Earth is good, the squids ran, so...

Thesia + MP Thesia (but different than horde) for added bonus

Palavin + MP Palavin (but different than horde) for added bonus - you get the idea...

Hanar Home World - new enemy husks.

Volus... maybe - there is already a lot here for ONE game and no real side quests or filler as of yet... I want side quests back... I know they doen't fit ME3 as it stands, but all that is suggested here as an expansion or ME4 - give us some good side quest filler! Some of ME2s quests were down right fun and would be even better with ME3s gameplay.

Then Harbinger... who would be where? How about full circle... and damnit, This is how I would get Narl on my damn ship as a Squadie; recruitable as a reward for helping Aria.

Khar'shan - Conceivably, all reaper forces would have retreated to this system as they were pushed off home worlds, so this would be THE FINAL fleet and a ground war and the real final battle.


YES! Narl! The friendliest Batarian in Mass Effect! If there does end up being a Take Back Omega DLC, he better be in it! Posted Image

Does anyone know if there's a Narl Deserves A Better Ending sig thingy? Posted Image