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[xsdob]

^ Narl is the friendliest batatrian just like how gryll is the smarterst vorcha in mass effect.

Notice how gryll is the only one who uses complete sentences, proper grammer, and uses the word I when talking about himself.

[Arian Dynas]

Turbo_J wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.

Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.
*snip*

Hence why in my script, the Crucible remains both Trojan horse AND big gun. Problem solved.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 04 juin 2012 - 07:09 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

My god, that Seboist is acting like a compleat asswipe in
http://social.biowar...399/12#12406165
throwing brainless insults at anyone who looks at the IT with mild intreast!
Arian Dynas, if you're looking for a challege, I think he's the one for you.

[BleedingUranium]

xsdob wrote...

^ Narl is the friendliest batatrian just like how gryll is the smarterst vorcha in mass effect.

Notice how gryll is the only one who uses complete sentences, proper grammer, and uses the word I when talking about himself.

Yup, that's why my Vorcha Soldier kit is Gryll (cause he has Flamer) and the Batarian with Ballistic Blades, a Grall with a Blade, and the Kishock, is Narl, because he's super nice

[HellishFiend]

I would like to point out that this topic is not a staging ground for launching incursions into other topics. How do you think that makes us look?

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

I would like to point out that this topic is not a staging ground for launching incursions into other topics. How do you think that makes us look?

I second this. As amusing as it may be, keep the incursions plans in PM boxes

[Turbo_J]

xsdob wrote...

^ Narl is the friendliest batatrian just like how gryll is the smarterst vorcha in mass effect.

Notice how gryll is the only one who uses complete sentences, proper grammer, and uses the word I when talking about himself.

Narl... is my favorite Batarian on the Citadel!

Garrus: "I never thought I'd hear you say that. You've just killed so many of them... while smiling."

I happen to like Gryll as well. Not sure I'd want him as a squadie, as he's more of a Merc diplomat, but he's a step up from the usual Vorcha. Given the results of progress we see with uplifted species, it's not surprising. Vorcha have been known to adapt very quickly to their environment, as mentioned in ME2.

[Arian Dynas]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

My god, that Seboist is acting like a compleat asswipe in
http://social.biowar...399/12#12406165
throwing brainless insults at anyone who looks at the IT with mild intreast!
Arian Dynas, if you're looking for a challege, I think he's the one for you.

I am not going to bother with him. I left some things for people to talk and think about before leaving, but the only fellow I chose to deal with was one of our own flock who was giving us a bad name, and even that was ill advised.

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

I would like to point out that this topic is not a staging ground for launching incursions into other topics. How do you think that makes us look?

Yeah, someone wanted to play a paladin but was played for a fool.... no offense.

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I would like to point out that this topic is not a staging ground for launching incursions into other topics. How do you think that makes us look?

Yeah, someone wanted to play a paladin but was played for a fool.... no offense.

A fool? Not entirely.

Engaged in an unwise practice? Perhaps.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

My god, that Seboist is acting like a compleat asswipe in
http://social.biowar...399/12#12406165
throwing brainless insults at anyone who looks at the IT with mild intreast!
Arian Dynas, if you're looking for a challege, I think he's the one for you.

I am not going to bother with him. I left some things for people to talk and think about before leaving, but the only fellow I chose to deal with was one of our own flock who was giving us a bad name, and even that was ill advised.

Yes, we all need to keep in mind that this is the flagship thread for IT, and is on public display for everyone to peruse or skim at their will. There are a LOT of readers here that dont post, and just come here looking for new developments or perspectives on IT. We do the theory itself a great disservice by gumming up the thread with nonsense, off-topic jive, and personal conversations. 

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

My god, that Seboist is acting like a compleat asswipe in
http://social.biowar...399/12#12406165
throwing brainless insults at anyone who looks at the IT with mild intreast!
Arian Dynas, if you're looking for a challege, I think he's the one for you.

I am not going to bother with him. I left some things for people to talk and think about before leaving, but the only fellow I chose to deal with was one of our own flock who was giving us a bad name, and even that was ill advised.

Yes, we all need to keep in mind that this is the flagship thread for IT, and is on public display for everyone to peruse or skim at their will. There are a LOT of readers here that dont post, and just come here looking for new developments or perspectives on IT. We do the theory itself a great disservice by gumming up the thread with nonsense, off-topic jive, and personal conversations. 

Hi Fiend!






No more, I promise

[balance5050]

I use those topics to play my meta-game of "convince the guy that he's indoctrinated", I'm Shepard and theyre some random dude who's giving in to reaper doctrine....

Modifié par balance5050, 04 juin 2012 - 07:35 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Turbo_J wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.

Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.

So, conventional war is about to start... but there are a few things that need to be done before you can start the attrition process to push Reapers off planets and out of systems... and one very important thing to NOTE!

That is all well and good, but fact i that the fleet at Earth without intervention of some outside force will get wiped out completely no matter the war assets you gathered. The fleet is big enough to do damage, but it is no nowhere the size needed to actually beat the Reapers conventionally.

The best example of this is actually the ratio of Dreadnoughts needed to take down one Sovereign class Reaper. 3 Dreadnoughts is needed to take down one Sovreign class Reaper.

Now me and Arian did some discussion on this some time ago and reached the conclusion that the very best the Allied forces you have gathered have just over 200 Dreadnoughts whuich means that unless the Reapers only have 66 Sovereign class dreadnoughts we are allready very screwed on that front...and they have more than 66 Sovereign class Reapers, no doubt about that.

Off course this dosent take into account other ships, but that also means I havent taken into account Destroyers and Occulus Drones on the Reaper side and even more importantly those 200+ Dreadnouhts we reached is based on pre-war numbers, In all likelyhood the number is significantly lower due to casualties sustained before the battle of Earth.

To put this shortly, a conventional victory, no matter the fleet you gather, is simply not possible. The Reaper fleet is too big and too powerful for even the united races of the galaxy to defeat them conventionally. We can hurt them, quite a bit even. But the battle at Earth will end with the destruction of the entire fleet gathered unless we pull back or the Crucible does something.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 04 juin 2012 - 07:41 .

[balance5050]

Arian Dynas wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I would like to point out that this topic is not a staging ground for launching incursions into other topics. How do you think that makes us look?

Yeah, someone wanted to play a paladin but was played for a fool.... no offense.

A fool? Not entirely.

Engaged in an unwise practice? Perhaps.

I'll give you credit, the situation seems diffused. I just like arguing in those threads because logic is always on my side.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

My god, that Seboist is acting like a compleat asswipe in
http://social.biowar...399/12#12406165
throwing brainless insults at anyone who looks at the IT with mild intreast!
Arian Dynas, if you're looking for a challege, I think he's the one for you.

I am not going to bother with him. I left some things for people to talk and think about before leaving, but the only fellow I chose to deal with was one of our own flock who was giving us a bad name, and even that was ill advised.

Yes, we all need to keep in mind that this is the flagship thread for IT, and is on public display for everyone to peruse or skim at their will. There are a LOT of readers here that dont post, and just come here looking for new developments or perspectives on IT. We do the theory itself a great disservice by gumming up the thread with nonsense, off-topic jive, and personal conversations. 

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
*snip*

Not to mention that any discussion of a conventional victory counts on the assumption that Indoctrination can be rendered a non-issue. We currently have no reason to believe that is possible. 

[TSA_383]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

My god, that Seboist is acting like a compleate asswipe in
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12402399/12#12406165.

Edited for truth

Also, back to some vaugely IDT related stuff:

You get the dream-style reverb & delay when talking to Anderson before getting into the transport (mako ) to head to the conduit. Does anyone see any other scenes outside the end sequence where this happens?

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

Yes, we all need to keep in mind that this is the flagship thread for IT, and is on public display for everyone to peruse or skim at their will. There are a LOT of readers here that dont post, and just come here looking for new developments or perspectives on IT. We do the theory itself a great disservice by gumming up the thread with nonsense, off-topic jive, and personal conversations. 

Agreed...

Modifié par balance5050, 04 juin 2012 - 07:42 .

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

My god, that Seboist is acting like a compleate asswipe in
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12402399/12#12406165.

Edited for truth

Also, back to some vaugely IDT related stuff:

You get the dream-style reverb & delay when talking to Anderson before getting into the transport (mako ) to head to the conduit. Does anyone see any other scenes outside the end sequence where this happens?

Ah, the one where Harbinger's approach is mentioned.

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

You get the dream-style reverb & delay when talking to Anderson before getting into the transport (mako ) to head to the conduit. Does anyone see any other scenes outside the end sequence where this happens?

Does it require headphones to hear the reberb + delay? 

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

[Turbo_J]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.

Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.

So, conventional war is about to start... but there are a few things that need to be done before you can start the attrition process to push Reapers off planets and out of systems... and one very important thing to NOTE!

That is all well and good, but fact i that the fleet at Earth without intervention of some outside force will get wiped out completely no matter the war assets you gathered. The fleet is big enough to do damage, but it is no nowhere the size needed to actually beat the Reapers conventionally.

The best example of this is actually the ratio of Dreadnoughts needed to take down one Sovereign class Reaper. 3 Dreadnoughts is needed to take down one Sovreign class Reaper.

Now me and Arian did some discussion on this some time ago and reached the conclusion that the very best the Allied forces you have gathered have just over 200 Dreadnoughts whuich means that unless the Reapers only have 66 Sovereign class dreadnoughts we are allready very screwed on that front...and they have more than 66 Sovereign class Reapers, no doubt about that.

Off course this dosent take into account other ships, but that also means I havent taken into account Destroyers and Occulus Drones on the Reaper side and even more importantly those 200+ Dreadnouhts we reached is based on pre-war numbers, In all likelyhood the number is significantly lower due to casualties sustained before the battle of Earth.

To but this shortly, a conventional victory, no matter the fleet you gather, is simply not possible. The Reaper fleet is too big and too powerful for even the united races of the galaxy to defeat them conventionally. We can hurt them, quite a bit even. But the battle at Earth will end with the destruction of the entire fleet gathered unless we pull back or the Crucible does something.

Those Reaper numbers may be accurate, but they are not all in the Sol system. There may be a significant percentage, but the majority of the Reaper forces are spread throughout the galaxy wiping out home worlds and colonies. The Reaper forces in the Sol system are up against the entire united fleet... I think the Reapers would need to make a strategic withdraw and regroup.

[MaximizedAction]

Arian Dynas wrote...

...
Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

I agree. This shouldn't be too much like serious work. I've got work to do in real life, I come here for the fun. When this turns into too much work, where's the fun then?