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[balance5050]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

He has a point, the way we present ourselves here matters more than the flame wars going on in other threads. Besides, the guy who got you to venture to another thread supports the control ending.... you should never have thought his intentions were anything but dubious, he was trying to turn us on ourselves.

Modifié par balance5050, 04 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

I know that back when I lurked, I did not appreciate having to dig through irrelevant posts to find anything interesting. We want people to take IT seriously and understand what it is. Yet it seems 50% of every page in the flagship topic doesnt even pertain to IT at all. And we wonder why people have so many misconceptions about it? I think if people want to socialize amongst other ITers, they can do so in the private group we made, or create an "IT social" topic on one of the other boards. 

[Jadebaby]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

 
 



With a serious grain of salt, lol.
Code 89

Lol, how about this one? Synthesis?

These are all well and good...but I thnk we have to think OSHA...I will see if I can find any safety codes that correspond.

Yes, it's code for "Mind = Blown!"
                                                                                                                                                        "    V     "
Which is what Bioware will do with IDT in EC DLC. Blow their fan's minds!   or should I say   "     "


EDIT: Sorry if i'm bringing up old stuff, was away for a bit.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 04 juin 2012 - 07:52 .

[MaximizedAction]

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

He has a point, the way we present ourselves here matters more than the flame wars going on in other threads.

"What do you care what other people think?" - Richard P. Feynman

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 04 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[Marsz. Kula]

The EC script posted is awesome, the only part that I can think of that I would change is the reapers retreating all the way to dark space, especially when they incapacitated the crucible. Kill off more of them, this should be a Stalingrad type defeat for the reapers that makes a conventional victory possible. I think harbringer's hubris wouldn't allow him to turn and run so quickly, especially all the way to dark space. Sure the reapers might want to re-asses the situation, but I just don't see how they would think it ok to concede all the progress they've made. If they run now, allow the galaxy to rebuild and re-arm their work will be even harder later, especially when you consider how much galactic tech will advance now that they just built the crucible and all the reaper tech they can reverse engineer.

And to troll just a tad, unless game scripts work differently, you should only describe what you can see and hear, so describing what a character is feeling or thinking outright is an error.

But seriously, Great job.

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

My god, that Seboist is acting like a compleat asswipe in
http://social.biowar...399/12#12406165
throwing brainless insults at anyone who looks at the IT with mild intreast!
Arian Dynas, if you're looking for a challege, I think he's the one for you.

I am not going to bother with him. I left some things for people to talk and think about before leaving, but the only fellow I chose to deal with was one of our own flock who was giving us a bad name, and even that was ill advised.

Yes, we all need to keep in mind that this is the flagship thread for IT, and is on public display for everyone to peruse or skim at their will. There are a LOT of readers here that dont post, and just come here looking for new developments or perspectives on IT. We do the theory itself a great disservice by gumming up the thread with nonsense, off-topic jive, and personal conversations. 

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

And there are cookies!! also but i ignore the space magic bit.

[xsdob]

Arian Dynas wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I would like to point out that this topic is not a staging ground for launching incursions into other topics. How do you think that makes us look?

Yeah, someone wanted to play a paladin but was played for a fool.... no offense.

A fool? Not entirely.

Engaged in an unwise practice? Perhaps.

I apalogize haevily for that, I shouldn't have posted here but I got completly feed up with that guy and thought someone here could talk some sense into him.

I am, again, sorry.

Modifié par xsdob, 04 juin 2012 - 07:57 .

[balance5050]

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

He has a point, the way we present ourselves here matters more than the flame wars going on in other threads.

"What do you care what other people think?" - Richard P. Feynman

Realistically we all care, it's called social interaction.

[xsdob]

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

He has a point, the way we present ourselves here matters more than the flame wars going on in other threads. Besides, the guy who got you to venture to another thread supports the control ending.... you should never have thought his intentions were anything but dubious, he was trying to turn us on ourselves.

No that was not my intention, I was pissed at the guy and thought doing this was akin to calling a store manager for an emplyoe who was acting hazardly.

Probably wasn't a smart thing of me to do but really just because I picked an ending and am passonate about my choice doesn't make me a shifty person with nothing but evil intentions.

I really did think this was going to resolve it and stop an ongoing flame.

[Arian Dynas]

Marsz. Kula wrote...

The EC script posted is awesome, the only part that I can think of that I would change is the reapers retreating all the way to dark space, especially when they incapacitated the crucible. Kill off more of them, this should be a Stalingrad type defeat for the reapers that makes a conventional victory possible. I think harbringer's hubris wouldn't allow him to turn and run so quickly, especially all the way to dark space. Sure the reapers might want to re-asses the situation, but I just don't see how they would think it ok to concede all the progress they've made. If they run now, allow the galaxy to rebuild and re-arm their work will be even harder later, especially when you consider how much galactic tech will advance now that they just built the crucible and all the reaper tech they can reverse engineer.

And to troll just a tad, unless game scripts work differently, you should only describe what you can see and hear, so describing what a character is feeling or thinking outright is an error.

But seriously, Great job.

That's exactly the implication, this IS a Reaper Stalingrad, they lost the majority of their fleet.

The reason I had them fall back to Darkspace was C) It was narratively convienient  and what better place to regroup and repair than where your enemies can't reach you? Though I suppose I could re-write it to the Omega -4 Relay...

The implication also being that for all his hubris, Harbinger is still a canny general who knows when hes licked (with all the clever plans he's cooked up how could he not be?) and knows that this is the worst possible suitation, and therefore now is an EXCELLENT time to get the hell out rather than lose more of his forces than he can afford. Besides, I never said the Reaper ground forces pulled out, they still got to deal with that, and in that context the Reaper forces outnumber the Allied forces 3 to 1.

And that I will admit is a bit of spill over from my proclivity for writing prose novels. Though I also did do so as a sort of indication to the "animation team" what sort of emotions they should put on the faces of characters, as well as a bit of explanation for the reader.

[MaximizedAction]

balance5050 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

He has a point, the way we present ourselves here matters more than the flame wars going on in other threads.

"What do you care what other people think?" - Richard P. Feynman

Realistically we all care, it's called social interaction.

Yes, that is true for the naive human spirit but due to the overwhelming amount of trolls and haters currently squidding around on BSN, I think it's wiser to develop a shell. Don't fear the Reaper, man!

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

He has a point, the way we present ourselves here matters more than the flame wars going on in other threads. Besides, the guy who got you to venture to another thread supports the control ending.... you should never have thought his intentions were anything but dubious, he was trying to turn us on ourselves.

I still disagree. But at this point, in the name of our friendship, let's agree to disagree, shall we chaps?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Turbo_J wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.

Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.

So, conventional war is about to start... but there are a few things that need to be done before you can start the attrition process to push Reapers off planets and out of systems... and one very important thing to NOTE!

That is all well and good, but fact i that the fleet at Earth without intervention of some outside force will get wiped out completely no matter the war assets you gathered. The fleet is big enough to do damage, but it is no nowhere the size needed to actually beat the Reapers conventionally.

The best example of this is actually the ratio of Dreadnoughts needed to take down one Sovereign class Reaper. 3 Dreadnoughts is needed to take down one Sovreign class Reaper.

Now me and Arian did some discussion on this some time ago and reached the conclusion that the very best the Allied forces you have gathered have just over 200 Dreadnoughts whuich means that unless the Reapers only have 66 Sovereign class dreadnoughts we are allready very screwed on that front...and they have more than 66 Sovereign class Reapers, no doubt about that.

Off course this dosent take into account other ships, but that also means I havent taken into account Destroyers and Occulus Drones on the Reaper side and even more importantly those 200+ Dreadnouhts we reached is based on pre-war numbers, In all likelyhood the number is significantly lower due to casualties sustained before the battle of Earth.

To but this shortly, a conventional victory, no matter the fleet you gather, is simply not possible. The Reaper fleet is too big and too powerful for even the united races of the galaxy to defeat them conventionally. We can hurt them, quite a bit even. But the battle at Earth will end with the destruction of the entire fleet gathered unless we pull back or the Crucible does something.

Those Reaper numbers may be accurate, but they are not all in the Sol system. There may be a significant percentage, but the majority of the Reaper forces are spread throughout the galaxy wiping out home worlds and colonies. The Reaper forces in the Sol system are up against the entire united fleet... I think the Reapers would need to make a strategic withdraw and regroup.

To quote the Prothean VI which tells you about the Catalyst: "The reapers will now consolidate power around the Catalyst and protect it at all cost."

It is not a minor part of the reaper forces that is at Earth, it is major part, which makes perfect sense since they need to protect the Citadel and they know that a massive fleet is coming. They are not stupid and with the fores needed to make the fleet drawn away from the other planets, few Reapers are needed to maintain control of them.

Even if we assume the Prothean VI is lying and the Crucible is a trap as has been theorized, the Reapers still know we are coming and a trap only works if you have the force necesary to make it work.

And even if we somehow forced them to pull back from the Sol system, The Reapers woudl simply regorup in full force and hunt down the fleet we have gathered. With the extensive damage allready sustained across all sectors the amount of safe havens where the combined fleet could repair and even more importantly, refuel would be severily limited and if the Reapers simply kept up pursuit they would catch up at some point as the fleet starts to run dry.

Or they could simply bring their entire fleet to homeworlds one at a time, annihilating the planet if the combined fleet dosent appear to protect it...at which point it is over.

No matter how you turn or twist this, the war is unwinnable without some kind of unknown factor, like the Crucible.

Hacket even says the war cannot be won by conventional means.

[Big G13]

Turbo_J wrote...

 Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.

Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.

So, conventional war is about to start... but there are a few things that need to be done before you can start the attrition process to push Reapers off planets and out of systems... and one very important thing to NOTE!

That is all well and good, but fact i that the fleet at Earth without intervention of some outside force will get wiped out completely no matter the war assets you gathered. The fleet is big enough to do damage, but it is no nowhere the size needed to actually beat the Reapers conventionally.

The best example of this is actually the ratio of Dreadnoughts needed to take down one Sovereign class Reaper. 3 Dreadnoughts is needed to take down one Sovreign class Reaper.

Now me and Arian did some discussion on this some time ago and reached the conclusion that the very best the Allied forces you have gathered have just over 200 Dreadnoughts whuich means that unless the Reapers only have 66 Sovereign class dreadnoughts we are allready very screwed on that front...and they have more than 66 Sovereign class Reapers, no doubt about that.

Off course this dosent take into account other ships, but that also means I havent taken into account Destroyers and Occulus Drones on the Reaper side and even more importantly those 200+ Dreadnouhts we reached is based on pre-war numbers, In all likelyhood the number is significantly lower due to casualties sustained before the battle of Earth.

To but this shortly, a conventional victory, no matter the fleet you gather, is simply not possible. The Reaper fleet is too big and too powerful for even the united races of the galaxy to defeat them conventionally. We can hurt them, quite a bit even. But the battle at Earth will end with the destruction of the entire fleet gathered unless we pull back or the Crucible does something.

Those Reaper numbers may be accurate, but they are not all in the Sol system. There may be a significant percentage, but the majority of the Reaper forces are spread throughout the galaxy wiping out home worlds and colonies. The Reaper forces in the Sol system are up against the entire united fleet... I think the Reapers would need to make a strategic withdraw and regroup.

Don't feel like your alone in here Turbo_J. As I have said before, in the face of superior logic from some of my friends in this thread, some IDTers, like myself, still believe that conventional victory is a possibility.

[balance5050]

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, I respectfully disagree.

The place we keep for public display and posterity, for people to research is Parabolee's blog. This thread remains what it has always been. A forum, a place to come and talk with oneanother, if someone wants to find out about IT they don't come here and read old posts, they come here and ask us questions, which we answer.

You're being idealistic. The way things should be, and the way things are, are two totally different things. 

You're being pessemistic. 

Dude, we're debating the literary significance of a videogame. We do this for fun. Loosen up man.  If this thread dies, we make another, and another and another, we can keep doing this for as long as there is an interest.

He has a point, the way we present ourselves here matters more than the flame wars going on in other threads.

"What do you care what other people think?" - Richard P. Feynman

Realistically we all care, it's called social interaction.

Yes, that is true for the naive human spirit but due to the overwhelming amount of trolls and haters currently squidding around on BSN, I think it's wiser to develop a shell. Don't fear the Reaper, man!

A shell? How about a sword? I go and battle trolls outside of these walls all the time.... I don't push I.T.. I just spread truth and fight misinformation.

Modifié par balance5050, 04 juin 2012 - 08:12 .

[MaximizedAction]

Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

 Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.

Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.

So, conventional war is about to start... but there are a few things that need to be done before you can start the attrition process to push Reapers off planets and out of systems... and one very important thing to NOTE!

That is all well and good, but fact i that the fleet at Earth without intervention of some outside force will get wiped out completely no matter the war assets you gathered. The fleet is big enough to do damage, but it is no nowhere the size needed to actually beat the Reapers conventionally.

The best example of this is actually the ratio of Dreadnoughts needed to take down one Sovereign class Reaper. 3 Dreadnoughts is needed to take down one Sovreign class Reaper.

Now me and Arian did some discussion on this some time ago and reached the conclusion that the very best the Allied forces you have gathered have just over 200 Dreadnoughts whuich means that unless the Reapers only have 66 Sovereign class dreadnoughts we are allready very screwed on that front...and they have more than 66 Sovereign class Reapers, no doubt about that.

Off course this dosent take into account other ships, but that also means I havent taken into account Destroyers and Occulus Drones on the Reaper side and even more importantly those 200+ Dreadnouhts we reached is based on pre-war numbers, In all likelyhood the number is significantly lower due to casualties sustained before the battle of Earth.

To but this shortly, a conventional victory, no matter the fleet you gather, is simply not possible. The Reaper fleet is too big and too powerful for even the united races of the galaxy to defeat them conventionally. We can hurt them, quite a bit even. But the battle at Earth will end with the destruction of the entire fleet gathered unless we pull back or the Crucible does something.

Those Reaper numbers may be accurate, but they are not all in the Sol system. There may be a significant percentage, but the majority of the Reaper forces are spread throughout the galaxy wiping out home worlds and colonies. The Reaper forces in the Sol system are up against the entire united fleet... I think the Reapers would need to make a strategic withdraw and regroup.

Don't feel like your alone in here Turbo_J. As I have said before, in the face of superior logic from some of my friends in this thread, some IDTers, like myself, still believe that conventional victory is a possibility.

I also believe so, but with the requirement that we somehow weaken them. We did see a Sovereign class Reaper being shot down by the fleet above earth. But due to the number of them, it should take a huge amount of time to deal with all thousands of them. Therefore, to still make a defeat seem sufficiently realistic, we must speed up the process somehow.

[Lat2oo5]

But why on Earth? It was like... A challenge for Shepard? We put the Citadel here, in your "home", instead of destroy it o take it away... That way to act is really strange, the reapers are not that stupid so, I think, this is another proof that the Crucible is a trap. Even Hackett said that the Crucible is surprisingly easy to build it

Even more, from my point of view Cerberus is used like a lure for Shepard by the reapers...

Modifié par Lat2oo5, 04 juin 2012 - 08:23 .

[Big G13]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

 Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unless it was supposed to be resolved in ME4 and not via DLC. Then online/offline wouldn't matter.

Maybe, but I mean...would there even be enough material to work with for an entire other game? If Shep's indocrination starts during his rush to the beam, then that would mean we'd be close to reaching the end of the Reaper threat when he wakes up.  I could see how more room could be made for a climax to the game with DLC, but as an entirely new game?...

You are forgetting one very important fact. In the case of IT the crucible was never fired, and is likely exactly what Liara (indirectly) said it was - scurrying around trying to solve a problem we can't fix. It's a Trojan horse, a puzzle trap, and this 'can't beat the reapers conventionally' is a misnomer.

Reapers have only ever been destroyed by conventional means. No magic bullet, save for the cain vs. the hades cannon, has helped in any way. It's been 'blood... and more blood', and 'big guns'.

So, conventional war is about to start... but there are a few things that need to be done before you can start the attrition process to push Reapers off planets and out of systems... and one very important thing to NOTE!

That is all well and good, but fact i that the fleet at Earth without intervention of some outside force will get wiped out completely no matter the war assets you gathered. The fleet is big enough to do damage, but it is no nowhere the size needed to actually beat the Reapers conventionally.

The best example of this is actually the ratio of Dreadnoughts needed to take down one Sovereign class Reaper. 3 Dreadnoughts is needed to take down one Sovreign class Reaper.

Now me and Arian did some discussion on this some time ago and reached the conclusion that the very best the Allied forces you have gathered have just over 200 Dreadnoughts whuich means that unless the Reapers only have 66 Sovereign class dreadnoughts we are allready very screwed on that front...and they have more than 66 Sovereign class Reapers, no doubt about that.

Off course this dosent take into account other ships, but that also means I havent taken into account Destroyers and Occulus Drones on the Reaper side and even more importantly those 200+ Dreadnouhts we reached is based on pre-war numbers, In all likelyhood the number is significantly lower due to casualties sustained before the battle of Earth.

To but this shortly, a conventional victory, no matter the fleet you gather, is simply not possible. The Reaper fleet is too big and too powerful for even the united races of the galaxy to defeat them conventionally. We can hurt them, quite a bit even. But the battle at Earth will end with the destruction of the entire fleet gathered unless we pull back or the Crucible does something.

Those Reaper numbers may be accurate, but they are not all in the Sol system. There may be a significant percentage, but the majority of the Reaper forces are spread throughout the galaxy wiping out home worlds and colonies. The Reaper forces in the Sol system are up against the entire united fleet... I think the Reapers would need to make a strategic withdraw and regroup.

Don't feel like your alone in here Turbo_J. As I have said before, in the face of superior logic from some of my friends in this thread, some IDTers, like myself, still believe that conventional victory is a possibility.

I also believe so, but with the requirement that we somehow weaken them. We did see a Sovereign class Reaper being shot down by the fleet above earth. But due to the number of them, it should take a huge amount of time to deal with all thousands of them. Therefore, to still make a defeat seem sufficiently realistic, we must speed up the process somehow.

I agree. If we are going to try and wrap up everything with the DLC. When I think about a conventional victory I usually think about a DLC that gets the Reapers off Earth ( Take Back Earth ) and then ME4 - Take Back The Galaxy. Thats probably wishful thinking, but hey, don't mess with a man's illusions. :happy:

[Arian Dynas]

Lat2oo5 wrote...

But why on Earth? It was like... A challenge for Shepard? We put the Citadel here, in your "home", instead of destroy it o take it away... That way to act is really strange, the reapers are not that stupid so, I think, this is another proof that the Crucible is a trap. Even Hackett said that the Crucible is surprisingly easy to build it

Even more, from my point of view Cerberus is used like a lure for Shepard by the reapers...

They won't destroy it for two reasons, they need it to control the Relay network, and they need it for future cycles. 

However I personally remain of the opinion that the Crucible is a massive red herring, meant to waste the time of the forces building it, with a saftey switch, meant only to fire when a Reaper is controlling it. Read my script for details on the theory Raist and I share.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...
"What do you care what other people think?" - Richard P. Feynman

Before I read who had said it I thought it was from Javik.

[Arian Dynas]

Also found some interesting connotations to be found within The Fade To White

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 04 juin 2012 - 08:35 .

[Lat2oo5]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

But why on Earth? It was like... A challenge for Shepard? We put the Citadel here, in your "home", instead of destroy it o take it away... That way to act is really strange, the reapers are not that stupid so, I think, this is another proof that the Crucible is a trap. Even Hackett said that the Crucible is surprisingly easy to build it

Even more, from my point of view Cerberus is used like a lure for Shepard by the reapers...

They won't destroy it for two reasons, they need it to control the Relay network, and they need it for future cycles. 

However I personally remain of the opinion that the Crucible is a massive red herring, meant to waste the time of the forces building it, with a saftey switch, meant only to fire when a Reaper is controlling it. Read my script for details on the theory Raist and I share.

Yeah, so for that I said take it away too (it means "llevar" doesnt it? I dont want to mess it up xD). Sadly I dont have time to read anything very long but I will do it.

Modifié par Lat2oo5, 04 juin 2012 - 08:42 .

[Arian Dynas]

Lat2oo5 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

But why on Earth? It was like... A challenge for Shepard? We put the Citadel here, in your "home", instead of destroy it o take it away... That way to act is really strange, the reapers are not that stupid so, I think, this is another proof that the Crucible is a trap. Even Hackett said that the Crucible is surprisingly easy to build it

Even more, from my point of view Cerberus is used like a lure for Shepard by the reapers...

They won't destroy it for two reasons, they need it to control the Relay network, and they need it for future cycles. 

However I personally remain of the opinion that the Crucible is a massive red herring, meant to waste the time of the forces building it, with a saftey switch, meant only to fire when a Reaper is controlling it. Read my script for details on the theory Raist and I share.

Yeah, so for that I said take it away too (it means "llevar" doesnt it? xD). Sadly I dont have time to read anything very long but I will do it.

Take your time, it's long, use the link in my sig, it'll be more convienient for ya.

EDIT: Also, any mother****er says "That's what she said" I will personally find where you live and gut you.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 04 juin 2012 - 08:46 .

[Rosewind]

I just figured something out ..... Legion is Jesus for the Geth!!!!!!

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

I just figured something out ..... Legion is Jesus for the Geth!!!!!!

You mean he's Optimus Prime?