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[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I just figured something out ..... Legion is Jesus for the Geth!!!!!!

You mean he's Optimus Prime? 

That to probably, not familiar with transformers......

[Arian Dynas]

Also, since things seem slow, I might as well take this moment to find out a few things concerning my script.

1. How was the characterization of The Illusive Man? Did he seem himself? How do you feel about how he was handled?

2. How was the characterization of Anderson? How did you feel about how he went out?

3. Thoughts on the idea that the Crucible has a built in safety? Did the Reaper parts seem too convenient? Does it make sense in the narrative? How do you feel about the idea the Crucible is a giant mass accelerator cannon?

4. How do you feel about Coates? Does him being a Reaper hallucination seem to fit in your point of view? Does it make sense?

5.Thoughts on the example epilogue cards? Should I do more?

[spotlessvoid]

I'd rather see Coates as a Reaper agent vs hallucination.
Did you do rewrite? It's been a few weeks since I read it. Do I need to reread it?

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'd rather see Coates as a Reaper agent vs hallucination.
Did you do rewrite? It's been a few weeks since I read it. Do I need to reread it?

Yep, check my sig rather than digging through the thread, it's easier.

And I did try doing Coates as a Reaper Agent at first, but it just continually turned out to be far more difficulty working in that paticular subplot than a hallucination, hence why I feel it fits better.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@Arian

1. TIM definitely sounded like himself. I don't like how he disappeared but only because I feel he needs to die in Mass Effect for everything he's done to the galaxy. Regardless of his death I'm sure Cerberus would go on.

2. I like what you did with Anderson, he's one of the most decorated officer in the Alliance and it would be good to see him in action. Sort of feels like what Shepard would be when he/she gets that age assuming they don't retire early for, y'know saving the galaxy again. Shepard at least deserve a little vacation time.

3. I thought the Crucible (in game) was too convenient to begin with but really what other options were there but to build it. Adding more convenience to it doesn't hurt, and it adds some sense to strapping a big ol' piece of Reaper tech to it the way you did it. I'm still don't know what to think on what the Crucible actually does but a giant mass accelerator cannon seems probable, specially with that derelict Reaper backstory in ME2.

4. I like that Coates is a hallucination for Anderson's confrontation but not for all of his appearances. If anything I would have liked if he was real, and still fighting on the Citadel when Anderson is imagining him in front. On the other hand I can see Coates as being indoctrinated that close to the core and actually shooting at Anderson before he realizes he's under control. But, yes, it does make sense with how he acts, going from "There can be no retreat, you heard Anderson," to "It's too much, we have to fall back."

5. More epilogue cards would be make a good read, maybe even some alternate Love Interest ones?

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 04 juin 2012 - 09:26 .

[spotlessvoid]

I'll check it out later.

I feel that Harbinger should play a pivotal role in the EC. It's the leader of a fleet of sentient death machines. He deserves screen time. Harbinger should be a terrifying presence, evoking fears of impending doom.

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Arian

1. TIM definitely sounded like himself. I don't like how he disappeared but only because I feel he needs to die in Mass Effect for everything he's done to the galaxy. Regardless of his death I'm sure Cerberus would go on.

2. I like what you did with Anderson, he's one of the most decorated officer in the Alliance and it would be good to see him in action. Sort of feels like what Shepard would be when he/she gets that age assuming they don't retire early for, y'know saving the galaxy again. Shepard at least deserve a little vacation time.

3. I thought the Crucible (in game) was too convenient to begin with but really what other options were there but to build it. Adding more convenience to it doesn't hurt, and it adds some sense to strapping a big ol' piece of Reaper tech to it the way you did it. I'm still don't know what to think on what the Crucible actually does but a giant mass accelerator cannon seems probable, specially with that derelict Reaper backstory in ME2.

4. I like that Coates is a hallucination for Anderson's confrontation but not for all of his appearances. If anything I would have liked if he was real, and still fighting on the Citadel when Anderson is imagining him in front. On the other hand I can see Coates as being indoctrinated that close to the core and actually shooting at Anderson before he realizes he's under control. But, yes, it does make sense with how he acts, going from "There can be no retreat, you heard Anderson," to "It's too much, we have to fall back."

5. More epilogue cards would be make a good read, maybe even some alternate Love Interest ones?

1. I'm glad, and yes, TIM absolutely has to die, but he shouldn't feel like a minor character when he does. TIM being TIM he deserves to go out in style, which is why I see him being the primary antagonist of ME4.

2. Also good.

3.I won't deny the Crucible itself is indeed convenient, but I did try to make it make sense of WHY it was convenient, it was a wild goose chase, meant to use up manpower and resources, the Reapers never bothered with it because they knew there was no reason to, no way they could get the parts needed for the job (or so they thought) and no way they could manage to use it against them, but it had to be something subtle, something mostly unnoticable, so that the allied forces would bother pouring resources into it rather than realizing early on it wouldn't work, hence why the "Safety"

4. Hmm, I had indicated that Coates is a Hallucination in all his appearances, but when you mention that, I do like the sound of it, that there is indeed a real Coates Anderson met. How about this for a mind****? The last image of Coates Anderson sees is Coates lying dead at the base of the beam, and this whole time he's been talking to a dead man.

5. I'll make up a few then.

[spotlessvoid]

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

spotlessvoid wrote...

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

If it's possible for your squad/crew/everyone else in the galaxy then I suggest that it's possible Shepard is responsible for keeping everyone from being fully indoctrinated especially for his squad and crew. Some kind of...intense boost to morale that keeps everyone from going over the edge, they beleive in him/her to do the impossible because he/she has done so twice (and then some) prior to ME3.

[MaximizedAction]

spotlessvoid wrote...

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

Actually, who says that it wouldn't be in the Reapers best interest if Shepard united them all, thus having them in a more handy pile and by that also weakening other lines. In addition to that, he gets even more races to put more of their ressources into the Crucible.

It wouldn't be to hard to convince me that some races were a bit too forthcoming in helping humans. Also, Thessia's defeat still seemed forces just as the victory on Tuchanka seemed 'too easy'. (destroying a Destroyer is enough?)

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 04 juin 2012 - 09:56 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

If it's possible for your squad/crew/everyone else in the galaxy then I suggest that it's possible Shepard is responsible for keeping everyone from being fully indoctrinated especially for his squad and crew. Some kind of...intense boost to morale that keeps everyone from going over the edge, they beleive in him/her to do the impossible because he/she has done so twice (and then some) prior to ME3.

It is possible...but excpet for a few cases i find the idea that other parts of your crew to be Indoctrianted unlikely. I mean Shepard is the one that has had most exposure to reaper tech and he is only just breaking (according to the IT), the others should be affected to a lesser degree.

Off course Shepards will might just be stronger.

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

That's basically what we've always thought. But I suppose no one has ever put it in convenient form.

As I see it there are 7 stages of Indoctrination.

Motor Control or "Fast" Indoctrination - Fast Indoctrination, in which the entire personality, thought-processes and the synaptic pathways are entirely wiped, overwritten and remapped. This gives the Reaper complete and total control of the subject, but since it simaltaneously destroyed the personality of the subject as well as the basic neural processes responsible for instinct, the only thing this organic brain is capable of is breathing and minor regulatory functions, most centered in the Reptillian Brain.

Subliminal or Stage 1 Slow - First contact, the Reaper can begin the process, but there are no symptoms, the subject remains a "carrier" in that either sufficient time to break down their willpower or continued exposure to Indoctrination signals will advance the process to stage 2.

Subconcious or Stage 2 Slow - The Reaper has begun to hijack some of the more minor perception based mental processes and can begin to make it's presence known, auditory hallucinations of whispers and feelings of paranoia begin here. As does the sensation of being watched, bad dreams can also take place.

Hallucinatory or Stage 3 Slow - The information processing centers of the brain are entirely under the control of the Reaper by this point, whom can either make the subject perceive ghostly presences, nonexistent beings, and can speak directly to the subject by way of a sort of telepathic hallucination. If there are multiple subjects they may begin to share memories or hallucinations, sometimes even dreams as preperation for integration together as a Reaper Mind.

Mental Control or Stage 4a Slow - The Reaper has now begun to take direct control of the prefrontal cortex and can manipulate the personality of the individual directly, rather than having to actively manipulate them through control of their perception. This is where some get off the ride, since no further indoctrination is needed for these individuals.

Indoctrination or Stage 4b Slow - The Reaper, finding itself unable to directly control the personality of the subject finds itself needing to change it's veiwpoint, thus moving to true indoctrination, forcing the subject, either through trickery, intimidation or subtle manipulation to accept the Reaper's arguments.

Implantation or Stage 5 - The subject has allowed physical implantation of Reaper technology into it's body, either by nanides, which potentially could have been used thus far to speed the process along, or through more traditional implantation. This is also the same stage Husks are at, seeing as they are the results of Fast Indoctrination with Implantation.

[Big G13]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

If it's possible for your squad/crew/everyone else in the galaxy then I suggest that it's possible Shepard is responsible for keeping everyone from being fully indoctrinated especially for his squad and crew. Some kind of...intense boost to morale that keeps everyone from going over the edge, they beleive in him/her to do the impossible because he/she has done so twice (and then some) prior to ME3.

which posses the question, Can faith, in Shedard, (or any hero figure) be strong enough to affect the galaxy in the same way that lingering Thorian spores keep the colonists of Zue's Hope from being indoctrinated? You may be on to something.

[spotlessvoid]

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

If it's possible for your squad/crew/everyone else in the galaxy then I suggest that it's possible Shepard is responsible for keeping everyone from being fully indoctrinated especially for his squad and crew. Some kind of...intense boost to morale that keeps everyone from going over the edge, they beleive in him/her to do the impossible because he/she has done so twice (and then some) prior to ME3.

I agree that believing in Shepard gives purpose and resolve to those he leads, making them difficult targets for indoctrination. I do think subtle indoctrination is accomplished not only by lowering the targets defenses through the indoctrination signal, but also by then convincing the target by playing on it's fears and desires. Shepards crew is on a mission, led by a tremendously charismatic and highly successful, proven commander. That certainly gives them strength to resist a reapers more subtle attempts. Obviously, a direct takeover would leave the victim noticeably different and would be rendered ineffective as an agent. Which is why Arrival seems to be the likely source of the Reaper foothold in Shepards psyche

[spotlessvoid]

Just saw your post Arian. Well expounded on.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas! I think I may have actually found some Rebar in the Breath scene (haven't seen it in a week, I was giving my eyes a break)



Dark ,but this is as bright as I can get the video. This is taken from the first second or so of the scene, where everything is mostly too close to the camera to identify while it's moving. Fun fact, there's 2 "reaper cables" and more grooved concrete rubble in the first second of motion it's just really hard to see.

[spotlessvoid]

MaximizedAction wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

Actually, who says that it wouldn't be in the Reapers best interest if Shepard united them all, thus having them in a more handy pile and by that also weakening other lines. In addition to that, he gets even more races to put more of their ressources into the Crucible.

It wouldn't be to hard to convince me that some races were a bit too forthcoming in helping humans. Also, Thessia's defeat still seemed forces just as the victory on Tuchanka seemed 'too easy'. (destroying a Destroyer is enough?)

I don't know maximizedaction, the Reapers seemed to be crushing entire planets. They only seemed to be endangered by the whole galactic fleet uniting in one battle. The Reapers seemed to be winning fairly handedly until Shepard did that thing Shepard does.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 04 juin 2012 - 10:14 .

[Arian Dynas]

@ gunslinger

Looks more like texture in the concrete, not rebar. Are you sure? Perhaps draw an outline to give us an idea what you're seeing?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

@ gunslinger

Looks more like texture in the concrete, not rebar. Are you sure? Perhaps draw an outline to give us an idea what you're seeing?

here's what I'm seeing


Easier to see when it's in motion, but I think it's only because I brightened the original so much. Not sure if you'll be able to spot it on a youtube'd video.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Edit: Actually looks more like pipes that rebar, Y'know where else we've seen pipes though? Earth



Now just need to find some Reaper Cables in London and "Shepard's Breath" taking place on Earth will be concrete. I believe almost without a doubt it does but never hurts to have more evidence to hurl at naysayers.

[Arian Dynas]

Well then we need someone to flycam the hell out of the entire Earth mission.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

I think someone flycam'd the Beam structure already, no apparent Reaper cables. BUT, as you've said, it's a big honking piece of Reaper tech so it must have cables somewhere more than likely on the inside. Potential proof: you can't see any Reaper cables on dreadnoughts, but inside the derelict reaper in 2 you see an absolute mess load of reaper cables.

But now I've got to sleep, will check in tomorrow after work, happy speculating all.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 04 juin 2012 - 10:29 .

[Big G13]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Edit: Actually looks more like pipes that rebar, Y'know where else we've seen pipes though? Earth



Now just need to find some Reaper Cables in London and "Shepard's Breath" taking place on Earth will be concrete. I believe almost without a doubt it does but never hurts to have more evidence to hurl at naysayers.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but how can anyone look at that giant Reaper transport beam and not know for a fact that there has to Reaper cable all over the place. Why we don't see them is a valid question, but they have to be there.

[SubAstris]

I wonder what ITers think the Catalyst actually is, since the one in the ending isn't real, and will it be revealed? Or what of Vendetta's comments, that the Reapers were not masters of their own cycles, but servants to something else greater? Will that be dropped for something else?

[k0xfilter]

SubAstris wrote...

I wonder what ITers think the Catalyst actually is, since the one in the ending isn't real, and will it be revealed? Or what of Vendetta's comments, that the Reapers were not masters of their own cycles, but servants to something else greater? Will that be dropped for something else?

speculations, speculations everywhere!