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[Turbo_J]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...
There is way more exposure, including the Reaper baby at the end of ME2 and Reaper tech inside Shep. Regardless, the extensive exposure is there.

Ah I knew i was leaving something out. I'll edit that into my list lol

And I know what you mean about Liara. Something seemed off about her the whole game to me too... Though I'm not ready to commit to the idea that any of the squaddies are experiencing indoc, I won't dismiss that it's a real possibility!

It's likely first stage or subliminal... almost not harmful and reversible. If too much was done to anyone too quickly, Shep would have caught on... and so would we. Vega was a huge hint though, and it bewilders me that the majority of people didn't pick up on indoctrination right away. I guess not enough people read the codex. It's not there as filler. It's pertinent info.

[FFZero]

One thing that I’ve always found weird is why the Reapers indoctrinate people at all. Yes, the Reapers have used it to weaken an enemy and have even brought down entire civilizations without ever firing a weapon, but if the Reapers are so overwhelmingly powerful why bother using that tactic at all? If they need to resort to psychological warfare to gain the upper-hand that certainly lends credence to the idea that beating the Reapers conventionally is possible.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Hmm

My brother presented an interesting idea today. With IT we dont really know what has happened to the Illusive Man. Best chances are he is Indoctrinated and waiting to make life hell for us on the Citadel.

But my brother had this idea. Back when we watch the video where TIM gets ready to get implants, maybe those implants are not so much Reaper tech as a fail save for himself in terms of Indoctrination. He has realized that he walks a dangerous path in has himself implanted with a control chip similarly to what Miranda said they did not put in Shepard. Someone he trusted, like the doctor we see in the same video, could have the button with orders to press it if he became Indoctrinated.

This off course raises the question as to why he told the Reapers about the Citadel, unless he has a bigger plan with that. Howere something like that would make for a cool twist if you ask me and prove that TIM really thought of practically everything.

Just a thought.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

You know what is interesting about Reaper indoctrination. Reaper artifacts are merely needed to start the indoctrination. To inject foreign ideas. Then as time passes it becomes a feedback loop. The more you think about it, the more you accept it. It's like a mental bug crawling in your mind. Shepard didn't have to be constantly in the presence of Reaper tech to get fully indoctrinated.

You know, I wouldn't have a problem with that if we saw this slow and gradual acceptance of reaper philosophy throughout the series, or at least ME3. We don't see any of this until you get to the very last scene of the game. This is why I believe that if IT is true, they did it very, very poorly.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Hmm

My brother presented an interesting idea today. With IT we dont really know what has happened to the Illusive Man. Best chances are he is Indoctrinated and waiting to make life hell for us on the Citadel.

But my brother had this idea. Back when we watch the video where TIM gets ready to get implants, maybe those implants are not so much Reaper tech as a fail save for himself in terms of Indoctrination. He has realized that he walks a dangerous path in has himself implanted with a control chip similarly to what Miranda said they did not put in Shepard. Someone he trusted, like the doctor we see in the same video, could have the button with orders to press it if he became Indoctrinated.

This off course raises the question as to why he told the Reapers about the Citadel, unless he has a bigger plan with that. Howere something like that would make for a cool twist if you ask me and prove that TIM really thought of practically everything.

Just a thought.

It's more believable that the doctor turned her back on TIM and run away or stabbed him on the operation table.

[Big G13]

Big G13 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

A coworker of mine thinks that many of your the main characters in ME3 are indoctrinated. I think if the Reapers had been that successful at indoctrinating people, Shepard would have no chance at uniting the galaxy and would probably been eliminated by one of his own. I think that low level indoctrination can function as a form of subliminal propaganda, but full on corruption while keeping the target outwardly unchanged requires a slower, more direct influence

Thoughts?

If it's possible for your squad/crew/everyone else in the galaxy then I suggest that it's possible Shepard is responsible for keeping everyone from being fully indoctrinated especially for his squad and crew. Some kind of...intense boost to morale that keeps everyone from going over the edge, they beleive in him/her to do the impossible because he/she has done so twice (and then some) prior to ME3.

which posses the question, Can faith, in Shedard, (or any hero figure) be strong enough to affect the galaxy in the same way that lingering Thorian spores keep the colonists of Zue's Hope from being indoctrinated? You may be on to something.

bumping cause it might contribute to the current conversation.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

FFZero wrote...


One thing that I’ve always found weird is why the Reapers indoctrinate people at all. Yes, the Reapers have used it to weaken an enemy and have even brought down entire civilizations without ever firing a weapon, but if the Reapers are so overwhelmingly powerful why bother using that tactic at all? If they need to resort to psychological warfare to gain the upper-hand that certainly lends credence to the idea that beating the Reapers conventionally is possible.

Off course it is possible, but not under the terms of the numbers we are given.

The Reapers are powerful, but they dont exactly reproduce fast either. Every loss is something that takes a long time for them to recover. It might not affect the current cycle, but a loss means their forces for the next cycle is weaker. As Such they would obviusly seek any advantage possible, such Indoctrination.

Also Indoctrination makes it easier to harvest people. A well respected leader etlling the populace there is nothing to fear in going through that giant glowing beam means less use of force and easier harvesting.

[EpyonX3]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Hmm

My brother presented an interesting idea today. With IT we dont really know what has happened to the Illusive Man. Best chances are he is Indoctrinated and waiting to make life hell for us on the Citadel.

But my brother had this idea. Back when we watch the video where TIM gets ready to get implants, maybe those implants are not so much Reaper tech as a fail save for himself in terms of Indoctrination. He has realized that he walks a dangerous path in has himself implanted with a control chip similarly to what Miranda said they did not put in Shepard. Someone he trusted, like the doctor we see in the same video, could have the button with orders to press it if he became Indoctrinated.

This off course raises the question as to why he told the Reapers about the Citadel, unless he has a bigger plan with that. Howere something like that would make for a cool twist if you ask me and prove that TIM really thought of practically everything.

Just a thought.

How would he know he's been indoctrinated? The point of indoctrination is to have the subject believe their ideas are their own or that the reapers are right. TIM has already admitted to believing the reapers were right but wanted to instead control them.

He was already indoctrinated.

[Turbo_J]

Rosewind wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hi all, new here, and I'm definitely in the IT camp.

Just finished the game a week ago and wanted to experience the ending spoiler-free. The only thing I knew is that many people felt the ending sucked lol. At first, the ending just seemed kinda lame to me, and I did get the slight feeling that something wasn't right, though I didn't think too much about it at first. And the lack of resolution to everything! So depressing! I know most people point to other things that tipped them off that something "wasn't right" about the endings, but for me it was the inside of the Citadel arms (um, why does it look like business as normal in the wards? the citedel has just been captured by the reapers...) and I also noticed the panels (huh, those look just like those panels on the Shadow Broker ship...).

So finally after finished the game I started doing some research on the endings and the theories behind them. I've read parabolee's blog watched acavyos' vid, and read a lot of this thread (definitely not enough time to read that old thread ) and I must say I'm pretty conviced that BW has had this planned all along. So hopefully I can contribute new/interesting ideas to the thread to keep us going until EC finally comes out. And I hope you don't mind if I play devil's advocate every once in a while, I can't help it as a critical thinker!

So there's one thing in ME3 that sticks out to me regarding indoc that I haven't seen really discussed in depth. I know there's been a lot of speculation and debate about when Shepard's indoctrination started. A lot of times we point out how many times Shepard has come into contact with reaper tech, especially Object Rho. Well, I was thinking about the news article in ME3 about Rana Thanoptis (for those of us that have kept her alive since ME1). She's indoctrinated! This actually surprised me a bit, as she seemed ok when we met her on Virmire, leading us to believe she hadn't been indoctrinated yet, as well as in Okeer's lab. I feel like they put this in the game as a clue, to remind us that hey! we've been exposed to indoctrinating forces since ME1! So since ME1 we've been exposed to indoctrinating forces many times:
ME1: Virmire, while Soverign was there (canon)
ME1: Citadel Tower, very close to Soverign (canon)
ME2: Derelict Reaper (canon)
ME2: Aequitas (optional) (lol how this planet is highlighted in ME3)
ME2: Object Rho (canon, but for some reason still debated)
ME3: Earth's reaper invasion  (canon)
ME3: Cerberus Base (canon)
(and I'm sure others I'm forgetting right now)

I know we all believe Shepard's indoc has been going on over the course of the whole series, but I still see a lot of people bring it up and debate it, so I figured I'd add my 2 cents and bring up the Rana Thanoptis article as a possible clue. And it seems that many who aren't that familiar with IT have a poor understanding of the concept of indoctrination, so I'll just say that no, I don't believe Shepard's been indoctrinated since ME1. You can be exposed to indoctrinating forces without becoming indoctrinated. I think that you have to actually make a choice, consciously or subconsciously to agree with reaper "logic", and that is the point when you've become indoctrinated. It's just taken so long and so much effort on the reapers' part to bring Shepard to that choice (at the ending) because of her/his astounding willpower.

Well thanks for being an awesome and friendly thread, I normally don't get involved in forums because people are usually not so welcoming and nice. Hope to have more to add in the future!

Welcome to the group!  And you're right about Rana.  That's something we didn't think about, but it would make sense.

There is way more exposure, including the Reaper baby at the end of ME2 and Reaper tech inside Shep. *Snip*

Haven't we discussed this about Shepard and reaper tech implants, because I swear it was proven that there was no evidence to say that the implants were reaper tech or not.

It's inferred. Most of the tech advances Cerberus has stem from discoveries based on pieces of Sovereign that they took from the Citadel after ME1. That also where the Reaper tech to mod EDI came from. Grunt also has Reaper tech in him and he's just fine (but again, a Krogan has never been indoctrinated. Husked via tech and combined with Turian parts, but they are surly dead and VI operated. The tech in Shep may be inert or mostly inert, but it sure wouldn't be if Shep gives in to indoctrination. Saren's path...

[Turbo_J]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Hmm

My brother presented an interesting idea today. With IT we dont really know what has happened to the Illusive Man. Best chances are he is Indoctrinated and waiting to make life hell for us on the Citadel.

But my brother had this idea. Back when we watch the video where TIM gets ready to get implants, maybe those implants are not so much Reaper tech as a fail save for himself in terms of Indoctrination. He has realized that he walks a dangerous path in has himself implanted with a control chip similarly to what Miranda said they did not put in Shepard. Someone he trusted, like the doctor we see in the same video, could have the button with orders to press it if he became Indoctrinated.

This off course raises the question as to why he told the Reapers about the Citadel, unless he has a bigger plan with that. Howere something like that would make for a cool twist if you ask me and prove that TIM really thought of practically everything.

Just a thought.

How would he know he's been indoctrinated? The point of indoctrination is to have the subject believe their ideas are their own or that the reapers are right. TIM has already admitted to believing the reapers were right but wanted to instead control them.

He was already indoctrinated.

Even Saren, during/after indoctrination had enough will power to try to find a way to prevent it.

I've been suspecting for a while that TIM is not indoctrinated, or gets out of it via the tech, but he's none the less insane and will still likely need to be dealt with by Shep in the harshest way.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 04 juin 2012 - 03:35 .

[EpyonX3]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

FFZero wrote...


One thing that I’ve always found weird is why the Reapers indoctrinate people at all. Yes, the Reapers have used it to weaken an enemy and have even brought down entire civilizations without ever firing a weapon, but if the Reapers are so overwhelmingly powerful why bother using that tactic at all? If they need to resort to psychological warfare to gain the upper-hand that certainly lends credence to the idea that beating the Reapers conventionally is possible.

Off course it is possible, but not under the terms of the numbers we are given.

The Reapers are powerful, but they dont exactly reproduce fast either. Every loss is something that takes a long time for them to recover. It might not affect the current cycle, but a loss means their forces for the next cycle is weaker. As Such they would obviusly seek any advantage possible, such Indoctrination.

Also Indoctrination makes it easier to harvest people. A well respected leader etlling the populace there is nothing to fear in going through that giant glowing beam means less use of force and easier harvesting.

Exactly. I'd add that indoctrination also gives them an inside view on each ciilization they are going to harvest to make sure they're developing along the best lines. It wou;dn't be wise to harvest civilizations that won't be worth "acsending."

[Big G13]

FFZero wrote...


One thing that I’ve always found weird is why the Reapers indoctrinate people at all. Yes, the Reapers have used it to weaken an enemy and have even brought down entire civilizations without ever firing a weapon, but if the Reapers are so overwhelmingly powerful why bother using that tactic at all? If they need to resort to psychological warfare to gain the upper-hand that certainly lends credence to the idea that beating the Reapers conventionally is possible.

I know I sound like a broken record, but, ^^ this ^^

[EpyonX3]

Turbo_J wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Hmm

My brother presented an interesting idea today. With IT we dont really know what has happened to the Illusive Man. Best chances are he is Indoctrinated and waiting to make life hell for us on the Citadel.

But my brother had this idea. Back when we watch the video where TIM gets ready to get implants, maybe those implants are not so much Reaper tech as a fail save for himself in terms of Indoctrination. He has realized that he walks a dangerous path in has himself implanted with a control chip similarly to what Miranda said they did not put in Shepard. Someone he trusted, like the doctor we see in the same video, could have the button with orders to press it if he became Indoctrinated.

This off course raises the question as to why he told the Reapers about the Citadel, unless he has a bigger plan with that. Howere something like that would make for a cool twist if you ask me and prove that TIM really thought of practically everything.

Just a thought.

How would he know he's been indoctrinated? The point of indoctrination is to have the subject believe their ideas are their own or that the reapers are right. TIM has already admitted to believing the reapers were right but wanted to instead control them.

He was already indoctrinated.

Even Saren, during/after indoctrination had enough will power to try to find a way to prevent it.

But he had to be reminded of it by Shepard, just like TIM was.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You know what is interesting about Reaper indoctrination. Reaper artifacts are merely needed to start the indoctrination. To inject foreign ideas. Then as time passes it becomes a feedback loop. The more you think about it, the more you accept it. It's like a mental bug crawling in your mind. Shepard didn't have to be constantly in the presence of Reaper tech to get fully indoctrinated.

You know, I wouldn't have a problem with that if we saw this slow and gradual acceptance of reaper philosophy throughout the series, or at least ME3. We don't see any of this until you get to the very last scene of the game. This is why I believe that if IT is true, they did it very, very poorly.

Which is why I dont think taht is hwo it works. Saren dident accept the Reapers ideas, he beleived he was creating peace with them even when deep in indoctriantion. He was not agreeing to everyone beeing harvested, he was simply thinking he could create peace.

TIm dosent agree with harvesting everyone, he is trying to control the Reapers. But in doing so he works against Shepard.

That I think is how Indoctrination works, it takes your existing goals and beliefs and twist them around in a way that is beneficial to the Reapers until the point where you are completely under their control.

That is why Shepard is stumbling at the end in front of the three choices. He came there to stop the Reaper threat, but now he is presented several ways to do so...or so he thinks.

[masster blaster]

Is'nt it weird that Cerberus was the one who had the original plans to build the SR1 Normandy and when it was destroyed they used Reapers tech to rebuild the Normandy and EDI. I am just saying though it makes you wonder if over the cores of the game Shepard and his/her squad could have been taken by the Reapers all just by binge on the Normandy.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Hmm

My brother presented an interesting idea today. With IT we dont really know what has happened to the Illusive Man. Best chances are he is Indoctrinated and waiting to make life hell for us on the Citadel.

But my brother had this idea. Back when we watch the video where TIM gets ready to get implants, maybe those implants are not so much Reaper tech as a fail save for himself in terms of Indoctrination. He has realized that he walks a dangerous path in has himself implanted with a control chip similarly to what Miranda said they did not put in Shepard. Someone he trusted, like the doctor we see in the same video, could have the button with orders to press it if he became Indoctrinated.

This off course raises the question as to why he told the Reapers about the Citadel, unless he has a bigger plan with that. Howere something like that would make for a cool twist if you ask me and prove that TIM really thought of practically everything.

Just a thought.

How would he know he's been indoctrinated? The point of indoctrination is to have the subject believe their ideas are their own or that the reapers are right. TIM has already admitted to believing the reapers were right but wanted to instead control them.

He was already indoctrinated.

Even Saren, during/after indoctrination had enough will power to try to find a way to prevent it.

But he had to be reminded of it by Shepard, just like TIM was.

Even TIM did not think he was Indoctrinated he might still realize he could be Indoctrinated and make fail saves against it happening. He has studied the reapers, I think he realizes the threat of Indoctrination and I doubt he ahs not considered the possibility he himself could become Indoctrinaed.

But it is just an idea.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You know what is interesting about Reaper indoctrination. Reaper artifacts are merely needed to start the indoctrination. To inject foreign ideas. Then as time passes it becomes a feedback loop. The more you think about it, the more you accept it. It's like a mental bug crawling in your mind. Shepard didn't have to be constantly in the presence of Reaper tech to get fully indoctrinated.

You know, I wouldn't have a problem with that if we saw this slow and gradual acceptance of reaper philosophy throughout the series, or at least ME3. We don't see any of this until you get to the very last scene of the game. This is why I believe that if IT is true, they did it very, very poorly.

You mean there should have been some explicit mention that it works that way. I dunno, maybe there was. Like Rana telling Shepard that the influence started to have an effect on the staff on Virmire. She didn't seem to be fully indoctrinated then, yet her indoctrination progressed throughout the series until she was put in jail and committed suicide. It's doubtful shehad any contact with Reaper tech after Virmire because she would be too afraid to get involve in Reaper-related research (I think so).

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juin 2012 - 03:38 .

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

No, they didn't use their relay. If they'd used the Relay TIM wouldn't have said:
"An Alliance science team recently determined that the "Great Rift" on the planet Klendagon is actually an impact crater from a mass accelerator weapon. A very old mass accelerator. I sent a team to find either the weapon or its target. They found both."
The wording doesn't fit if it would have been a relay.
This in my opinion leads to the Reapers planting plans of a device that is actually a trap, to have a "failsave" a cycle can pour their resources into. The Reapers are described as quite thorough, and they knew about the device for some cycles. It would be illogical to assume they gave the plans a slip without reason as they were aware of them and had indoctrinated agents present. Also there were Reaper voices when Shepard was "sensing" the beacon/Vendetta, which in my opinion was therefor Reaper induced. Additionally if you have trusted the cloned queen they again had indoctrinated agents and therefor knew where it was built but didn't attack, and let's be serious: the Alliance couldn't just have moved it while they were still constructing.
One way or another it's a Reaper trap.

Reaper voices in the temple on Thessia?  Weren't those just sounds of sensing the beacon?

The Cucible can serve another purpose. If organics can build it it proves to the Reapers that they're no longer sufficiently advanced and have to change the method of annihilating the Galaxy. They are algorithmic machines and completeing the Crucible is a kind of border condition for them.

http://www.youtube.c...t4sTn0hMk#t=55s
clearly Reaper sounds, especially if you compare it with other Prothean sounds:
http://www.youtube.c...4sTn0hMk#t=175s

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 04 juin 2012 - 03:38 .

[WillieStyle]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You know what is interesting about Reaper indoctrination. Reaper artifacts are merely needed to start the indoctrination. To inject foreign ideas. Then as time passes it becomes a feedback loop. The more you think about it, the more you accept it. It's like a mental bug crawling in your mind. Shepard didn't have to be constantly in the presence of Reaper tech to get fully indoctrinated.

You know, I wouldn't have a problem with that if we saw this slow and gradual acceptance of reaper philosophy throughout the series, or at least ME3. We don't see any of this until you get to the very last scene of the game. This is why I believe that if IT is true, they did it very, very poorly.

Um Saren?  When we first see him in ME1 (with Nilus for instance) he appears quite sane. Evil, but sane. When we fight him on Virmire, it's clear he's becoming unstable. It's here we first hear him spew his insane Synthesis strategy. Then by the time we fight him on the Citadel, he's clearly gone insane. His delusions have completely overwhelmed him and the best he can do is shoot himself in a brief moment of clarity. 

[masster blaster]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

FFZero wrote...


One thing that I’ve always found weird is why the Reapers indoctrinate people at all. Yes, the Reapers have used it to weaken an enemy and have even brought down entire civilizations without ever firing a weapon, but if the Reapers are so overwhelmingly powerful why bother using that tactic at all? If they need to resort to psychological warfare to gain the upper-hand that certainly lends credence to the idea that beating the Reapers conventionally is possible.

Off course it is possible, but not under the terms of the numbers we are given.

The Reapers are powerful, but they dont exactly reproduce fast either. Every loss is something that takes a long time for them to recover. It might not affect the current cycle, but a loss means their forces for the next cycle is weaker. As Such they would obviusly seek any advantage possible, such Indoctrination.

Also Indoctrination makes it easier to harvest people. A well respected leader etlling the populace there is nothing to fear in going through that giant glowing beam means less use of force and easier harvesting.

Exactly. I'd add that indoctrination also gives them an inside view on each ciilization they are going to harvest to make sure they're developing along the best lines. It wou;dn't be wise to harvest civilizations that won't be worth "acsending."

Mabye that is why Synthesis is a choices because th Reapers want to merge Shepard with Reapers tech/make him, or her a Reaper?

[Dwailing]

Dwailing wrote...

Oh God, I just realized something in ME2. In the Citadel News Network report on the attack on Freedom's Progress, it says that the Hanar have maintained that the attacks are the wrath of the Protheans for the defiling of the Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime. Well, this is a nice bit of foreshadowing in hindsight since the Collectors are modified Protheans.

Bumping 'cause I really want to see what people think about this.  I think it's a good example of BW foreshadowing a major twist.  Also, I want to put to rest any thoughts that BW is not smart enough to pull off IT.  Have any of you looked at the Fridge Brilliance page for the ME series on tvtropes.org?  Here's the link if any of you are interested.  http://tvtropes.org/...idge/MassEffect  I would suggest that you all take a look.  It's amazing just how much thought went into these games, IT or no.

[masster blaster]

My question is will the Breathing scene still be in the EC and will it be explained or continued?

[Turbo_J]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Hmm

My brother presented an interesting idea today. With IT we dont really know what has happened to the Illusive Man. Best chances are he is Indoctrinated and waiting to make life hell for us on the Citadel.

But my brother had this idea. Back when we watch the video where TIM gets ready to get implants, maybe those implants are not so much Reaper tech as a fail save for himself in terms of Indoctrination. He has realized that he walks a dangerous path in has himself implanted with a control chip similarly to what Miranda said they did not put in Shepard. Someone he trusted, like the doctor we see in the same video, could have the button with orders to press it if he became Indoctrinated.

This off course raises the question as to why he told the Reapers about the Citadel, unless he has a bigger plan with that. Howere something like that would make for a cool twist if you ask me and prove that TIM really thought of practically everything.

Just a thought.

How would he know he's been indoctrinated? The point of indoctrination is to have the subject believe their ideas are their own or that the reapers are right. TIM has already admitted to believing the reapers were right but wanted to instead control them.

He was already indoctrinated.

Even Saren, during/after indoctrination had enough will power to try to find a way to prevent it.

But he had to be reminded of it by Shepard, just like TIM was.

Even TIM did not think he was Indoctrinated he might still realize he could be Indoctrinated and make fail saves against it happening. He has studied the reapers, I think he realizes the threat of Indoctrination and I doubt he ahs not considered the possibility he himself could become Indoctrinaed.

But it is just an idea.

You can see it has touched him and his dialog shows this a few times when Shep paragons or renegades him during conversations; I think Mars and Thessia for sure. I don't count the Citadel, because TIM is a representative of the indoctrinated side of Shepard.

[Turbo_J]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You know what is interesting about Reaper indoctrination. Reaper artifacts are merely needed to start the indoctrination. To inject foreign ideas. Then as time passes it becomes a feedback loop. The more you think about it, the more you accept it. It's like a mental bug crawling in your mind. Shepard didn't have to be constantly in the presence of Reaper tech to get fully indoctrinated.

You know, I wouldn't have a problem with that if we saw this slow and gradual acceptance of reaper philosophy throughout the series, or at least ME3. We don't see any of this until you get to the very last scene of the game. This is why I believe that if IT is true, they did it very, very poorly.

You mean there should have been some explicit mention that it works that way. I dunno, maybe there was. Like Rana telling Shepard that the influence started to have an effect on the staff on Virmire. She didn't seem to be fully indoctrinated then, yet her indoctrination progressed throughout the series until she was put in jail and committed suicide. It's doubtful shehad any contact with Reaper tech after Virmire because she would be too afraid to get involve in Reaper-related research (I think so).

Yes she did. Grunt was made using Reaper tech aquiered by O'keer from the Collectors. We also don't know how long she was on Virmire.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 04 juin 2012 - 03:50 .

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

My question is will the Breathing scene still be in the EC and will it be explained or continued?

That scene is part of the ending so it definately won't be deleted from EC. Whether it will be explained, that's a million dollar question.