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[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Only 48 minutes left to Mass Effect 3 EC announcement.

Please no misinformation like that, for the tiniest fraction of a second i thought you were serious.

I'm guessing you're not aware of what a "sideways grin" smiley implies.... 

That was the fraction of a second I was talking about, the time between the text and the emoticon. I know it's just a joke, but that would be awesome if we did get any more info.

Except the fact that we arent getting any info is points for IT in my book. I'm thrilled that theyre staying tight-lipped about it. 

[MaximizedAction]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Only 48 minutes left to Mass Effect 3 EC announcement.

Please no misinformation like that, for the tiniest fraction of a second i thought you were serious.

I'm guessing you're not aware of what a "sideways grin" smiley implies.... 

That was the fraction of a second I was talking about, the time between the text and the emoticon. I know it's just a joke, but that would be awesome if we did get any more info.

Patience, balance5050. All your questions will be answered soon.

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Only 48 minutes left to Mass Effect 3 EC announcement.

Please no misinformation like that, for the tiniest fraction of a second i thought you were serious.

I'm guessing you're not aware of what a "sideways grin" smiley implies.... 

That was the fraction of a second I was talking about, the time between the text and the emoticon. I know it's just a joke, but that would be awesome if we did get any more info.

Yeah, at least a glimpse at what happens next. But I have a feeling that ME3 won't be completely absent.

[paxxton]

I'm thrilled to inform you that currently my poll has the following results:
YES - 120 votes
NO - 121 votes

Keep up the good work!
Should Mass Effect 4 continue Shepard's story?
http://social.biowar...66/polls/34384/

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juin 2012 - 07:35 .

[EpyonX3]

Starbuck8 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You know what is interesting about Reaper indoctrination. Reaper artifacts are merely needed to start the indoctrination. To inject foreign ideas. Then as time passes it becomes a feedback loop. The more you think about it, the more you accept it. It's like a mental bug crawling in your mind. Shepard didn't have to be constantly in the presence of Reaper tech to get fully indoctrinated.

You know, I wouldn't have a problem with that if we saw this slow and gradual acceptance of reaper philosophy throughout the series, or at least ME3. We don't see any of this until you get to the very last scene of the game. This is why I believe that if IT is true, they did it very, very poorly.

You mean there should have been some explicit mention that it works that way. I dunno, maybe there was. Like Rana telling Shepard that the influence started to have an effect on the staff on Virmire. She didn't seem to be fully indoctrinated then, yet her indoctrination progressed throughout the series until she was put in jail and committed suicide. It's doubtful shehad any contact with Reaper tech after Virmire because she would be too afraid to get involve in Reaper-related research (I think so).

I have my own theory with Rana, but that's another discussion.

What I mean is that if Shepard's thought processes are being altered slowly, we should at least be able to notice them, not by glitches but by conversations in the context of the game. For example, Every response, renegade or paragon, that Shepard has is againsts the reapers when talking to TIM. Some of the negativity is aimed toward TIM as well.

Had we had a middle option that investigated the possibilities or had some sort of "what if" response, I'd be inclined to believe in IT. But we don't. The only times we have a possibility of Shepard changing his mind is in the very last scene, depending on you EMS of course. Could the catalyst be indoctrination Shepard at the very end? Sure but, then we have to consider that everything we knew about indoctrination was wrong, since Shepard heard no whispers, had not headaches, felt no paranoia when interacting with the catalyst or didn't embrace the catalyst's ideas of continuing the cycle.

Well if they started injecting dialogue that started agreeing with TIM or Saren or the Reapers, it would be too obvious for the player! One of the reasons they had to be so subtle in order to accomplish indoctrination of Shepard, BioWare has to actually indoctrinate the player, or as someone just said we would have called BS a long time ago. And (assuming IT is true) BW succeeded immensely in indoctrinating the player. After giving us 3 games where the sole goal is to destroy the reapers, after battling Saren, TIM, and indoctrinted agents, how many people got to the very end actually chose synthesis or control and did not choose to annihilate the reapers??

Assuming we agree that Bioware are intelligent enough to indoctrinate Shepard and the player, why couldn't they be smart enough to make dialog hint at it but not give it away?

It wouldn't be that hard to sprinkle some altered thought processes in the conversations. Having other character react a weird way would have been great too. But here's where it gets good. If the player is picking these options becuase it makes sense, then you can still successfully indoctrinate the player and shepard. Because the player is the one picking the options.

And then at the end, those options you picked before would have a greater influence on the choice you make, instead of making a radical change at the end.

[Turbo_J]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

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The Prothians TAUGHT them how to use them effectively.... did they give them the ability to eat too, along with those seeds.

You are making an assumption. He never said we genetically alter you, providing you with biotic powers. They were primitives... would you give humans, who had not even learned to sow fields, Biotic abilities if they didn't have them to a degree already. Showing someone how to plant fields based on season and use Biotics for more than mating is not Genemoding them.

Please read the Codex entry on Thessia.

But the Codex doesn't take into account the revelations that take place on Thessia with Javik.  I could swear that I remember hearing dialogue from him about how the Goddess Athame gave the Asari the gift of Biotics after years of genetic research.

From the Mass Effect wiki:

Among those "gifts" was the asari's natural ability to develop biotics, which was in reality the product of years of Prothean genetic research and manipulation.

I was just going to quote the Wiki... I don't believe it. It does not make sense that it would be necessary when most life of the planet had biotic abilities or resistance.

I deleted Javik anyway, so I guess in my game world, it never happened.

It also does not answer the question of how Asari could possibly reprodue without inherent Biotic abilities. Maybe the genemods sped up the process, but I think they were always heading in that direction. Look what happens to Humans exposed to Eezo. Cancer or Cake.

Edit: Spelling/Typo

Modifié par Turbo_J, 04 juin 2012 - 07:46 .

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Only 48 minutes left to Mass Effect 3 EC announcement.

Please no misinformation like that, for the tiniest fraction of a second i thought you were serious.

I'm guessing you're not aware of what a "sideways grin" smiley implies.... 

That was the fraction of a second I was talking about, the time between the text and the emoticon. I know it's just a joke, but that would be awesome if we did get any more info.

Patience, balance5050. All your questions will be answered soon.

Is bioware even listed on their schedule? If so, then there's always a chance.

[balance5050]

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Only 48 minutes left to Mass Effect 3 EC announcement.

Please no misinformation like that, for the tiniest fraction of a second i thought you were serious.

I'm guessing you're not aware of what a "sideways grin" smiley implies.... 

That was the fraction of a second I was talking about, the time between the text and the emoticon. I know it's just a joke, but that would be awesome if we did get any more info.

Patience, balance5050. All your questions will be answered soon.

I know, and like Hellish says it's probably better that they say nothing. Thanks for calming me Max, I've been seeing red more than usual.

[Fingertrip]

Okay, now i'm really unsure if people are being stupid or just flat out trolling in regards to actually thinking they'd show anything in context to the EC at E3.

That's like spoiling the end of a book on a big launch day for it, or anything. They've made the announcement regarding the Extended Cut and given teaspoons of information regarding it. What really is in it, needs to be seen by the consumers once it's released, not prior to it.

I can't serious believe people think they'd showcase ANYTHING about it, it's just mindboggling.

[paxxton]

Fingertrip wrote...

Okay, now i'm really unsure if people are being stupid or just flat out trolling in regards to actually thinking they'd show anything in context to the EC at E3.

That's like spoiling the end of a book on a big launch day for it, or anything. They've made the announcement regarding the Extended Cut and given teaspoons of information regarding it. What really is in it, needs to be seen by the consumers once it's released, not prior to it.

I can't serious believe people think they'd showcase ANYTHING about it, it's just mindboggling.

All right, I agree but a release date would be nice.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Assuming we agree that Bioware are intelligent enough to indoctrinate Shepard and the player, why couldn't they be smart enough to make dialog hint at it but not give it away?

It wouldn't be that hard to sprinkle some altered thought processes in the conversations. Having other character react a weird way would have been great too. But here's where it gets good. If the player is picking these options becuase it makes sense, then you can still successfully indoctrinate the player and shepard. Because the player is the one picking the options.

And then at the end, those options you picked before would have a greater influence on the choice you make, instead of making a radical change at the end.

You're suggesting that Bioware didnt do those things?  Really? 

[EpyonX3]

Fingertrip wrote...

Okay, now i'm really unsure if people are being stupid or just flat out trolling in regards to actually thinking they'd show anything in context to the EC at E3.

That's like spoiling the end of a book on a big launch day for it, or anything. They've made the announcement regarding the Extended Cut and given teaspoons of information regarding it. What really is in it, needs to be seen by the consumers once it's released, not prior to it.

I can't serious believe people think they'd showcase ANYTHING about it, it's just mindboggling.

I think people just want a release date and maybe if there's gameplay or not. Not specifics on what they are going to address.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Assuming we agree that Bioware are intelligent enough to indoctrinate Shepard and the player, why couldn't they be smart enough to make dialog hint at it but not give it away?

It wouldn't be that hard to sprinkle some altered thought processes in the conversations. Having other character react a weird way would have been great too. But here's where it gets good. If the player is picking these options becuase it makes sense, then you can still successfully indoctrinate the player and shepard. Because the player is the one picking the options.

And then at the end, those options you picked before would have a greater influence on the choice you make, instead of making a radical change at the end.

You're suggesting that Bioware didnt do those things?  Really? 

How much dialog was there that hints at Shepard considering or in favor of joining, giving into or controlling reapers?

And why not express these feelings when presented to him by TIM? Every response to TIM was negative, whether it was paragon or renegade.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 04 juin 2012 - 07:45 .

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Okay, now i'm really unsure if people are being stupid or just flat out trolling in regards to actually thinking they'd show anything in context to the EC at E3.

That's like spoiling the end of a book on a big launch day for it, or anything. They've made the announcement regarding the Extended Cut and given teaspoons of information regarding it. What really is in it, needs to be seen by the consumers once it's released, not prior to it.

I can't serious believe people think they'd showcase ANYTHING about it, it's just mindboggling.

I think people just want a release date and maybe if there's gameplay or not. Not specifics on what they are going to address.

That's all I really want from this.  I'd also like to hear about the rumored Retake Omega DLC, but I doubt that's going to happen.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Assuming we agree that Bioware are intelligent enough to indoctrinate Shepard and the player, why couldn't they be smart enough to make dialog hint at it but not give it away?

It wouldn't be that hard to sprinkle some altered thought processes in the conversations. Having other character react a weird way would have been great too. But here's where it gets good. If the player is picking these options becuase it makes sense, then you can still successfully indoctrinate the player and shepard. Because the player is the one picking the options.

And then at the end, those options you picked before would have a greater influence on the choice you make, instead of making a radical change at the end.

You're suggesting that Bioware didnt do those things?  Really? 

How much dialog was there that hints at Shepard considering or in favor of joining, giving into or controlling reapers?

And why not express these feelings when presented to him by TIM? Every response to TIM was negative, whether it was paragon or renegade.

No offense, but I feel no compulsion to answer your questions. You've been here long enough to know the answers yourself, and reiterating would just be trying to sway your opinion with knowledge you already have. That fits the definition of pointless quite well.

[D.Sharrah]

Arian Dynas wrote...

snip...

Ah...uhmmm...ehhhhh....just utterly speechless.  Well done!

[Turbo_J]

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Okay, now i'm really unsure if people are being stupid or just flat out trolling in regards to actually thinking they'd show anything in context to the EC at E3.

That's like spoiling the end of a book on a big launch day for it, or anything. They've made the announcement regarding the Extended Cut and given teaspoons of information regarding it. What really is in it, needs to be seen by the consumers once it's released, not prior to it.

I can't serious believe people think they'd showcase ANYTHING about it, it's just mindboggling.

I think people just want a release date and maybe if there's gameplay or not. Not specifics on what they are going to address.

That's all I really want from this.  I'd also like to hear about the rumored Retake Omega DLC, but I doubt that's going to happen.

Quite a bit, actually. Sanctuary, when talking to Hackett... and if Shep is in bad shape at that point; lots of dead or feels guilty for some things, the voice changes. I'll have to replay my screw up shep and record it. She's a mess when talking to Hackett about Cerberus and TIMs idea of control. She sounds almost the same then as she did on the Citadel chatting with Starbinger... full of doubt and weak willed.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 04 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[ivenoidea]

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Okay, now i'm really unsure if people are being stupid or just flat out trolling in regards to actually thinking they'd show anything in context to the EC at E3.

That's like spoiling the end of a book on a big launch day for it, or anything. They've made the announcement regarding the Extended Cut and given teaspoons of information regarding it. What really is in it, needs to be seen by the consumers once it's released, not prior to it.

I can't serious believe people think they'd showcase ANYTHING about it, it's just mindboggling.

I think people just want a release date and maybe if there's gameplay or not. Not specifics on what they are going to address.

That's all I really want from this.  I'd also like to hear about the rumored Retake Omega DLC, but I doubt that's going to happen.

If they announce any paid dlc at this point there will be a massacre. I think that much is clear.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

That's all I really want from this.  I'd also like to hear about the rumored Retake Omega DLC, but I doubt that's going to happen.

Quite a bit, actually. Sanctuary, when talking to Hackett... and if Shep is in bad shape at that point; lots of dead or feels guilty for some things, the voice changes. I'll have to replay my screw up shep and record it. She's a mess when talking to Hackett about Cerberus and TIMs idea of control. She sounds almost the same then as she did on the Citadel chatting with Starbinger... full of doubt and weak willed.

 
I think you quoted the wrong post here, but yes, I agree. I believe Bioware expertly gave us the subtle clues and hints we needed. Subtle enough to be missed the first time through, but strong enough to catch when you know what to look for. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 04 juin 2012 - 07:53 .

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

snip...

Ah...uhmmm...ehhhhh....just utterly speechless.  Well done!

About snip...?

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Assuming we agree that Bioware are intelligent enough to indoctrinate Shepard and the player, why couldn't they be smart enough to make dialog hint at it but not give it away?

It wouldn't be that hard to sprinkle some altered thought processes in the conversations. Having other character react a weird way would have been great too. But here's where it gets good. If the player is picking these options becuase it makes sense, then you can still successfully indoctrinate the player and shepard. Because the player is the one picking the options.

And then at the end, those options you picked before would have a greater influence on the choice you make, instead of making a radical change at the end.

You're suggesting that Bioware didnt do those things?  Really? 

How much dialog was there that hints at Shepard considering or in favor of joining, giving into or controlling reapers?

And why not express these feelings when presented to him by TIM? Every response to TIM was negative, whether it was paragon or renegade.

No offense, but I feel no compulsion to answer your questions. You've been here long enough to know the answers yourself, and reiterating would just be trying to sway your opinion with knowledge you already have. That fits the definition of pointless quite well.

Sorry you feel that way, but even you must admit that IT is a huge topic full of many obscure references. It's possible I may have missed this one.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

snip...

Ah...uhmmm...ehhhhh....just utterly speechless.  Well done!

About snip...?

Probly the script Arian wrote, if I had to guess.

I need to get around to reading it...

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

snip...

Ah...uhmmm...ehhhhh....just utterly speechless.  Well done!

About snip...?

About his *cough*fancreation*cough* post about his interpretation of how the endings should play out. 

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

snip...

Ah...uhmmm...ehhhhh....just utterly speechless.  Well done!

About snip...?

About his *cough*fancreation*cough* post about his interpretation of how the endings should play out. 

We're aware its a fan creation, Hellish, you dont gotta point it out.

I'm guessing that since you went out of your way to do so, you arent a fan of it?

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

That's all I really want from this.  I'd also like to hear about the rumored Retake Omega DLC, but I doubt that's going to happen.

Quite a bit, actually. Sanctuary, when talking to Hackett... and if Shep is in bad shape at that point; lots of dead or feels guilty for some things, the voice changes. I'll have to replay my screw up shep and record it. She's a mess when talking to Hackett about Cerberus and TIMs idea of control. She sounds almost the same then as she did on the Citadel chatting with Starbinger... full of doubt and weak willed.

 
I think you quoted the wrong post here, but yes, I agree. I believe Bioware expertly gave us the subtle clues and hints we needed. Subtle enough to be missed the first time through, but strong enough to catch when you know what to look for. 

I did... I'm used to quote being on the botom of the posts from more up to date forums not at the top.