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ivenoidea wrote...
I'm wondering, what is this forums opinion on the "beings of light" theory?
I think IT and BOL fit together nicely.
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EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
It's not Shepard's responses you should be concerned with. It's yours.
BINGO!
"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."
But how is that different? This is exactly what I'm talking about. How do you understand what Shepard is going through? By dialog. And the player chooses that dialog. So a more effective way to indoctrinate the player would have been to make the player choose those subtle choices in conversation.
Modifié par HellishFiend, 04 juin 2012 - 09:19 .
I talked earlier about an emotional feedback loop between Shepard and the player.EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Almost every major conversation has indoc foreshadowing.
Ashley: How would you even know if you were bing controlled? How do you fight something that worms its way into your head"
Vega: The whole citadel convo and "do you hear that buzzing?"
Garrus: "That's reaper tech alright, my brain hurts just looking at it."
And many more....
What are Shepard's responses to it?
Also, the enemies of the entire series are indoctrinated or source of it. It shouldn't be out of the ordinary that the main characters talk about it.
It's not Shepard's responses you should be concerned with. It's yours.
BINGO!
"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."
But how is that different? This is exactly what I'm talking about. How do you understand what Shepard is going through? By dialog. And the player chooses that dialog. So a more effective way to indoctrinate the player would have been to make the player choose those subtle choices in conversation.
MegumiAzusa wrote...
To quote the game:Turbo_J wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
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The Prothians TAUGHT them how to use them effectively.... did they give them the ability to eat too, along with those seeds.
You are making an assumption. He never said we genetically alter you, providing you with biotic powers. They were primitives... would you give humans, who had not even learned to sow fields, Biotic abilities if they didn't have them to a degree already. Showing someone how to plant fields based on season and use Biotics for more than mating is not Genemoding them.
Please read the Codex entry on Thessia.
But the Codex doesn't take into account the revelations that take place on Thessia with Javik. I could swear that I remember hearing dialogue from him about how the Goddess Athame gave the Asari the gift of Biotics after years of genetic research.
From the Mass Effect wiki:Among those "gifts" was the asari's natural ability to develop biotics, which was in reality the product of years of Prothean genetic research and manipulation.
I was just going to quote the Wiki... I don't believe it. It does not make sense that it would be necessary when most life of the planet had biotic abilities or resistance.
I deleted Javik anyway, so I guess in my game world, it never happened.
It also does not answer the question of how Asari could possibly reprodue without inherent Biotic abilities. Maybe the genemods sped up the process, but I think they were always heading in that direction. Look what happens to Humans exposed to Eezo. Cancer or Cake.
Edit: Spelling/Typo
Liara: "Not very useful. It talks about Athame's guide granting us the gift of biotics as a reward for worshipping her."
Javik: "That 'gift' involved years of genetic research."
Liara: "I... this is almost too much to take."
balance5050 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Ravereth wrote...
My favorite line from ME3 is "Do your job or get vaporized"haha... MY first thought after hearing this (on my second playtrough) was "OMG he's talking about the ending!"
Yep, if you dont choose to Destroy the Reapers, you get vaporized in the other two choices. <_<
Also, in the final dream you see a "false" Shepard embracing the kid.... and then you see them burning in flames.... You only burn in 2 of the 3 ending....... So, the Shepard that burns during the end ISN'T the true Shepard.
dreamgazer wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
That's even worse. Why? Because Bioware gives you the clues but tells you at the end of the game that the shows over and you won at the end of the game.
Yeah, the end message can be dissected as a giant play on semantics. I've said why once or twice in the thread---it says it's happened, never says when---so I'll spare you of my yammering. It ain't finite.
He doesn't believe in IT?balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
That's even worse. Why? Because Bioware gives you the clues but tells you at the end of the game that the shows over and you won at the end of the game.
Yeah, the end message can be dissected as a giant play on semantics. I've said why once or twice in the thread---it says it's happened, never says when---so I'll spare you of my yammering. It ain't finite.
Well Shepard finished either killing, controlling or synthesizing the reapers and are gone in some form. Then we're shown the stargazer and the child. Then the message that Shepard ended the reaper threat, buy dlc. How could this possibly be interpreted a different way?
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Almost every major conversation has indoc foreshadowing.
Ashley: How would you even know if you were bing controlled? How do you fight something that worms its way into your head"
Vega: The whole citadel convo and "do you hear that buzzing?"
Garrus: "That's reaper tech alright, my brain hurts just looking at it."
And many more....
What are Shepard's responses to it?
Also, the enemies of the entire series are indoctrinated or source of it. It shouldn't be out of the ordinary that the main characters talk about it.
It's not Shepard's responses you should be concerned with. It's yours.
BINGO!
"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."
But how is that different? This is exactly what I'm talking about. How do you understand what Shepard is going through? By dialog. And the player chooses that dialog. So a more effective way to indoctrinate the player would have been to make the player choose those subtle choices in conversation.
Ravereth wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Ravereth wrote...
My favorite line from ME3 is "Do your job or get vaporized"
Yep, if you dont choose to Destroy the Reapers, you get vaporized in the other two choices. <_<
Also, in the final dream you see a "false" Shepard embracing the kid.... and then you see them burning in flames.... You only burn in 2 of the 3 ending....... So, the Shepard that burns during the end ISN'T the true Shepard.
BTW I have no idea why there are quotation marks around this line...
paxxton wrote...
He doesn't believe in IT?balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
That's even worse. Why? Because Bioware gives you the clues but tells you at the end of the game that the shows over and you won at the end of the game.
Yeah, the end message can be dissected as a giant play on semantics. I've said why once or twice in the thread---it says it's happened, never says when---so I'll spare you of my yammering. It ain't finite.
Well Shepard finished either killing, controlling or synthesizing the reapers and are gone in some form. Then we're shown the stargazer and the child. Then the message that Shepard ended the reaper threat, buy dlc. How could this possibly be interpreted a different way?
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
BINGO!
"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."
But how is that different? This is exactly what I'm talking about. How do you understand what Shepard is going through? By dialog. And the player chooses that dialog. So a more effective way to indoctrinate the player would have been to make the player choose those subtle choices in conversation.
Disagree on every front, there are game with NO dialogue that i feel great emotional significance. Sorry but this quote comes straight from Casey Hudson, you don;t have to agree but this is what he's going for.
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
That's even worse. Why? Because Bioware gives you the clues but tells you at the end of the game that the shows over and you won at the end of the game.
Yeah, the end message can be dissected as a giant play on semantics. I've said why once or twice in the thread---it says it's happened, never says when---so I'll spare you of my yammering. It ain't finite.
Well Shepard finished either killing, controlling or synthesizing the reapers and are gone in some form. Then we're shown the stargazer and the child. Then the message that Shepard ended the reaper threat, buy dlc. How could this possibly be interpreted a different way?
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
BINGO!
"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."
But how is that different? This is exactly what I'm talking about. How do you understand what Shepard is going through? By dialog. And the player chooses that dialog. So a more effective way to indoctrinate the player would have been to make the player choose those subtle choices in conversation.
Disagree on every front, there are game with NO dialogue that i feel great emotional significance. Sorry but this quote comes straight from Casey Hudson, you don;t have to agree but this is what he's going for.
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.
Corik wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
That's even worse. Why? Because Bioware gives you the clues but tells you at the end of the game that the shows over and you won at the end of the game.
Yeah, the end message can be dissected as a giant play on semantics. I've said why once or twice in the thread---it says it's happened, never says when---so I'll spare you of my yammering. It ain't finite.
Well Shepard finished either killing, controlling or synthesizing the reapers and are gone in some form. Then we're shown the stargazer and the child. Then the message that Shepard ended the reaper threat, buy dlc. How could this possibly be interpreted a different way?
You're slowly crossing the trolling red line. Your point is clear, you don't believe the evidences. I can't understand how denying everything all the time in this thread could be possitive for the debate.
SS2Dante wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.
How could you possibly make IT not deceptive?
SS2Dante wrote...
Corik wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
That's even worse. Why? Because Bioware gives you the clues but tells you at the end of the game that the shows over and you won at the end of the game.
Yeah, the end message can be dissected as a giant play on semantics. I've said why once or twice in the thread---it says it's happened, never says when---so I'll spare you of my yammering. It ain't finite.
Well Shepard finished either killing, controlling or synthesizing the reapers and are gone in some form. Then we're shown the stargazer and the child. Then the message that Shepard ended the reaper threat, buy dlc. How could this possibly be interpreted a different way?
You're slowly crossing the trolling red line. Your point is clear, you don't believe the evidences. I can't understand how denying everything all the time in this thread could be possitive for the debate.
Epyon's been here forever and has been perfectly polite and helpful.
He no troll.
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.
byne wrote...
The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.
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