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EpyonX3 wrote...
Well Shepard finished either killing, controlling or synthesizing the reapers and are gone in some form. Then we're shown the stargazer and the child. Then the message that Shepard ended the reaper threat, buy dlc. How could this possibly be interpreted a different way?
byne wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
BINGO!
"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."
But how is that different? This is exactly what I'm talking about. How do you understand what Shepard is going through? By dialog. And the player chooses that dialog. So a more effective way to indoctrinate the player would have been to make the player choose those subtle choices in conversation.
Disagree on every front, there are game with NO dialogue that i feel great emotional significance. Sorry but this quote comes straight from Casey Hudson, you don;t have to agree but this is what he's going for.
The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.
It's clever IMO becasue it doesn't insult my intelligence and lets me figure thing out on my own with out holding my hand.
Bill Casey wrote...
Children are tiny full grown men in the future...
I dunno, but his "Shepard on the Crucible" theory is quite plausible and doesn't harm IT. Just like the Metaconvergence Theory.balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.
It's clever IMO becasue it doesn't insult my intelligence and lets me figure thing out on my own with out holding my hand.
Bill Casey wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
olshi wrote...
I started my second playthrough today, and I noticed something. Right at the beginning, when you jump out of the window with Anderson, you have infinite ammo! IT disproved?
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Almost every major conversation has indoc foreshadowing.
Ashley: How would you even know if you were bing controlled? How do you fight something that worms its way into your head"
Vega: The whole citadel convo and "do you hear that buzzing?"
Garrus: "That's reaper tech alright, my brain hurts just looking at it."
And many more....
What are Shepard's responses to it?
Also, the enemies of the entire series are indoctrinated or source of it. It shouldn't be out of the ordinary that the main characters talk about it.
It's not Shepard's responses you should be concerned with. It's yours.
BINGO!
"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters."
But how is that different? This is exactly what I'm talking about. How do you understand what Shepard is going through? By dialog. And the player chooses that dialog. So a more effective way to indoctrinate the player would have been to make the player choose those subtle choices in conversation.
Disagree on every front, there are game with NO dialogue that i feel great emotional significance. Sorry but this quote comes straight from Casey Hudson, you don;t have to agree but this is what he's going for.
olshi wrote...
I started my second playthrough today, and I noticed something. Right at the beginning, when you jump out of the window with Anderson, you have infinite ammo! IT disproved?
Modifié par balance5050, 04 juin 2012 - 09:32 .
olshi wrote...
I started my second playthrough today, and I noticed something. Right at the beginning, when you jump out of the window with Anderson, you have infinite ammo! IT disproved?
balance5050 wrote...
byne wrote...
The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.
The limbo we were left in at the end and the Eureka moment once I put 2 and 2 together are the only things that fill this description for me.
dreamgazer wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Children are tiny full grown men in the future...
Is that a scene that can be flycammed? Or have I missed that discussion?
olshi wrote...
I started my second playthrough today, and I noticed something. Right at the beginning, when you jump out of the window with Anderson, you have infinite ammo! IT disproved?
dreamgazer wrote...
byne wrote...
The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.
Eh, I partially disagree. Stuff like clocking the Quarian general in the gut spoke to a mutual feeling we were having at the same moment, instead of a direct result of a renegade option. There are other instances, but they're subtle.
HellishFiend wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
byne wrote...
The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.
The limbo we were left in at the end and the Eureka moment once I put 2 and 2 together are the only things that fill this description for me.
The most glaring example is the Starbinger convo. Shepard the character, and we the player, are given little to no control over his reactions in the game, and we are left with only our own reactions as a player. Ergo, we are left feeling what our Shepard would feel in that situation (whatever it may be), and our only discourse being our final decision.
balance5050 wrote...
olshi wrote...
I started my second playthrough today, and I noticed something. Right at the beginning, when you jump out of the window with Anderson, you have infinite ammo! IT disproved?
You can still reload it though.
Watch this
paxxton wrote...
I dunno, but his "Shepard on the Crucible" theory is quite plausible and doesn't harm IT. Just like the Metaconvergence Theory.balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.
Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.
It's clever IMO becasue it doesn't insult my intelligence and lets me figure thing out on my own with out holding my hand.
Modifié par balance5050, 04 juin 2012 - 09:37 .
Bill Casey wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Well Shepard finished either killing, controlling or synthesizing the reapers and are gone in some form. Then we're shown the stargazer and the child. Then the message that Shepard ended the reaper threat, buy dlc. How could this possibly be interpreted a different way?
Children are tiny full grown men in the future...
estebanus wrote...
Guys, something really weird just happened...
I just started the ending sequence, and suddenly the "Trolololo" song played! Scared the hell outta me!
At first I thought that something was wrong, and then I started thinking that Bioware had implemented the song in their patch to troll us, but then I saw that I for some reason had started the song on memebase.
Holy hell, that freaked me out!
olshi wrote...
I started my second playthrough today, and I noticed something. Right at the beginning, when you jump out of the window with Anderson, you have infinite ammo! IT disproved?
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Children are tiny full grown men in the future...
Is that a scene that can be flycammed? Or have I missed that discussion?
No it's prerendered I believe. That's just a zoomed in pic.
byne wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
byne wrote...
The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.
Eh, I partially disagree. Stuff like clocking the Quarian general in the gut spoke to a mutual feeling we were having at the same moment, instead of a direct result of a renegade option. There are other instances, but they're subtle.
Except the quote also says not just reacting to other characters. You want to punch Han'Gerrel because he's acting like a jackass, so you're reacting to him more than feeling what Shepard is feeling.
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