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[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

olshi wrote...

I started my second playthrough today, and I noticed something. Right at the beginning, when you jump out of the window with Anderson, you have infinite ammo! IT disproved?

Anderson always annoyed me at that part. He's all 'You havent forgotten how to fire a gun, have you?'

I'm a vanguard, Anderson! Firing guns is not really what I do! Double pull works just as well taking out the husks!

First he calls me fat then he implies I cant fight. Anderson is such a jerk.

Ah yes, the necessary evils of a tutorial. 

"This gun doesnt have a thermal clip!" - Shepard after being dead for 2 years and missing the transition to thermal clips

[EpyonX3]

plfranke wrote...

Lol at epryon when he said that the indoctrination was deceptive. spoken like a true indoctrinated reaper agent

It's deceptive because Bioware tells you the game ended and you won outside of the gameplay. If they really wanted you to feel indoctrinated they wouldn't have purposely misled you.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Well Shepard finished either killing, controlling or synthesizing the reapers and are gone in some form. Then we're shown the stargazer and the child. Then the message that Shepard ended the reaper threat, buy dlc. How could this possibly be interpreted a different way?

Children are tiny full grown men in the future...

Which goes back to my point. We're playing a video game here. Developers take shortcuts. Especially when they don't expect such scrutiny.

But... they have a model for a kid already...... instead they resize Shepards model? seems like more work to me...

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Lol at epryon when he said that the indoctrination was deceptive. spoken like a true indoctrinated reaper agent

It's deceptive because Bioware tells you the game ended and you won outside of the gameplay. If they really wanted you to feel indoctrinated they wouldn't have purposely misled you.

*facepalm*  If this conversation were a room, I'd walk out of it right now. 

[D.Sharrah]

Ahhhhhhhh...I give up. I was trying to catch up...but every time I get through a page...a new one appears at the end of the thread (sometimes 2). Anything worthy of note in the last 10 pages or so?

[ivenoidea]

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...




Children are tiny full grown men in the future...

Is that a scene that can be flycammed? Or have I missed that discussion?

No it's prerendered I believe. That's just a zoomed in pic.

Also, from what I remember, for some reason in the 360 version they don't walk the few feet before stopping. Just a random oddness

It's prerendered, there shouldn't be a difference. Video link?

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Lol at epryon when he said that the indoctrination was deceptive. spoken like a true indoctrinated reaper agent

It's deceptive because Bioware tells you the game ended and you won outside of the gameplay. If they really wanted you to feel indoctrinated they wouldn't have purposely misled you.

Read that back to yourself.... Purposfully misleading you IS indoctrination man.... To be indoctrinated IS to be mislead. If you think that was the ending then they got you.

Modifié par balance5050, 04 juin 2012 - 09:40 .

[SS2Dante]

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.

Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.

It's clever IMO becasue it doesn't insult my intelligence and lets me figure thing out on my own with out holding my hand.

I dunno, but his "Shepard on the Crucible" theory is quite plausible and doesn't harm IT. Just like the Metaconvergence Theory.

It's just funny because his "Shepard on the Crucible" theory made him not believe the I.T. even more, I don't see how he came to that conclusion.... but I don't really care either.

I believe part of the argument is that it completely nullifies the points like the 1m1 girders and Geth parts, since they would actually belong on the Crucible.

My only problem with it is that the pictures of the Crucible contradict each other. Sometimes it has the bottom extension and sometimes it doesn't.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.

Eh, I partially disagree.  Stuff like clocking the Quarian general in the gut spoke to a mutual feeling we were having at the same moment, instead of a direct result of a renegade option.  There are other instances, but they're subtle. 

Except the quote also says not just reacting to other characters. You want to punch Han'Gerrel because he's acting like a jackass, so you're reacting to him more than feeling what Shepard is feeling.

Yeah but you know Shepard wants to punch him because he closes his fist just before.

[SS2Dante]

ivenoidea wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...




Children are tiny full grown men in the future...

Is that a scene that can be flycammed? Or have I missed that discussion?

No it's prerendered I believe. That's just a zoomed in pic.

Also, from what I remember, for some reason in the 360 version they don't walk the few feet before stopping. Just a random oddness

It's prerendered, there shouldn't be a difference. Video link?

Um you're welcome to search for ones, I can't be bothered replaying the end to double check  Fully admit it could just be me making a mistake.

[HellishFiend]

SS2Dante wrote...

I believe part of the argument is that it completely nullifies the points like the 1m1 girders and Geth parts, since they would actually belong on the Crucible.

My only problem with it is that the pictures of the Crucible contradict each other. Sometimes it has the bottom extension and sometimes it doesn't.

It makes little difference because every time that extension is shown, its clearly proportionally smaller than the prongs around the beam, meaning there is no way it could be the decision platform. 

The platform is somewhere around 5-10 times the diameter of the prongs, and the extension is even smaller than the prongs. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 04 juin 2012 - 09:43 .

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Lol at epryon when he said that the indoctrination was deceptive. spoken like a true indoctrinated reaper agent

It's deceptive because Bioware tells you the game ended and you won outside of the gameplay. If they really wanted you to feel indoctrinated they wouldn't have purposely misled you.

Read that back to yourself.... Purposfully misleading you IS indoctrination man.... To be indoctrinated IS to be mislead. If you think that was the ending then they got you.

Yeah it'd be nice if it were in game. But it's not. Also, would the majority of players ever come to the conclusion that Shepard was indoctrinated without reading it on a forum?

How about you Balance? Did you suspect Shepard of being indoctrinated before this or any other thread? Or did you come to that conclusion on your own?

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Lol at epryon when he said that the indoctrination was deceptive. spoken like a true indoctrinated reaper agent

It's deceptive because Bioware tells you the game ended and you won outside of the gameplay. If they really wanted you to feel indoctrinated they wouldn't have purposely misled you.

Not if they want people to feel used and thrown away. Just like after someone realizes he has been indoctrinated.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.

Eh, I partially disagree.  Stuff like clocking the Quarian general in the gut spoke to a mutual feeling we were having at the same moment, instead of a direct result of a renegade option.  There are other instances, but they're subtle. 

Except the quote also says not just reacting to other characters. You want to punch Han'Gerrel because he's acting like a jackass, so you're reacting to him more than feeling what Shepard is feeling.

Yeah but you know Shepard wants to punch him because he closes his fist just before.

It also does that whole 'zoom in on Shep clenching her fist' thing when you first see the hologram of the Crucible in the war room, which is kind of odd.

[Bill Casey]

balance5050 wrote...

It's just funny because his "Shepard on the Crucible" theory made him not believe the I.T. even more, I don't see how he came to that conclusion.... but I don't really care either.

It certainly should make him trust the Catalyst less...




Shepard: Where am I?

Child: The Citadel. It's my home.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

I believe part of the argument is that it completely nullifies the points like the 1m1 girders and Geth parts, since they would actually belong on the Crucible.

My only problem with it is that the pictures of the Crucible contradict each other. Sometimes it has the bottom extension and sometimes it doesn't.

It makes little difference because every time that extension is shown, its clearly proportionally smaller than the prongs around the beam, meaning there is no way it could be the decision platform. 

The platform is somewhere around 5-10 times the diameter of the prongs, and the extension is even smaller than the prongs. 

Please let's not get into that here. That wasn't really meant to prove or disprove IT. If you want to talk about it go to my thread.

http://social.biowar...ndex/12261111/1

[SS2Dante]

By the way, has anyone counted the number of matching pairs of 1M1 girders in the citadel bit? I posted a bit a few days ago showing another two around the TIM bit that I flycammed. Considering they have unmarked girders, and half the places don't need them, the sheer number of repetition there is a hint in of itself, surely.

(girders/antennas/whatever)

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.

Eh, I partially disagree.  Stuff like clocking the Quarian general in the gut spoke to a mutual feeling we were having at the same moment, instead of a direct result of a renegade option.  There are other instances, but they're subtle. 

Except the quote also says not just reacting to other characters. You want to punch Han'Gerrel because he's acting like a jackass, so you're reacting to him more than feeling what Shepard is feeling.

Yeah but you know Shepard wants to punch him because he closes his fist just before.

It also does that whole 'zoom in on Shep clenching her fist' thing when you first see the hologram of the Crucible in the war room, which is kind of odd.

lol wut? I gotta see that.

[SS2Dante]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Lol at epryon when he said that the indoctrination was deceptive. spoken like a true indoctrinated reaper agent

It's deceptive because Bioware tells you the game ended and you won outside of the gameplay. If they really wanted you to feel indoctrinated they wouldn't have purposely misled you.

Read that back to yourself.... Purposfully misleading you IS indoctrination man.... To be indoctrinated IS to be mislead. If you think that was the ending then they got you.

Yeah it'd be nice if it were in game. But it's not. Also, would the majority of players ever come to the conclusion that Shepard was indoctrinated without reading it on a forum?

How about you Balance? Did you suspect Shepard of being indoctrinated before this or any other thread? Or did you come to that conclusion on your own?

But Ep, surely that's the point? Assuming the EC reveals indoctrination, then you'll have actually have had the experience of indoctrination. If you know you're being indoctrinated, then you're not.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

It also does that whole 'zoom in on Shep clenching her fist' thing when you first see the hologram of the Crucible in the war room, which is kind of odd.

lol wut? I gotta see that.

Here.

I remember when I first played the game I was wondering why they were about to give me a renegade interrupt. I was like 'Am I going to punch the hologram?' 

But I was confused when I never got an interrupt.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

The thing is, I cant name a single scene in the game where it actually tried to make me understand or feel what Shepard was going through. I dont really understand what else that quote could be talking about.

Eh, I partially disagree.  Stuff like clocking the Quarian general in the gut spoke to a mutual feeling we were having at the same moment, instead of a direct result of a renegade option.  There are other instances, but they're subtle. 

Except the quote also says not just reacting to other characters. You want to punch Han'Gerrel because he's acting like a jackass, so you're reacting to him more than feeling what Shepard is feeling.

Yeah but you know Shepard wants to punch him because he closes his fist just before.

It also does that whole 'zoom in on Shep clenching her fist' thing when you first see the hologram of the Crucible in the war room, which is kind of odd.

Aww he kind of closes his hand a small bit I wouldn't say it's a rage fist.

[SS2Dante]

Lol, just realised that under the premise of indoctrination most people are TIM and Epyon is Saren

[Turbo_J]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I like Epyon because he ends up just renewing my belief in IT, it reminds me of the overwhelming amount of signs there are if you just keep an open mind.

Funny enough if you guys can remember when I first started here, I mentioned that people who disagree with IT are just as valuable as those who do only because they challange the ideas and make them stronger if possible. I like IT and I still think that if it's true they need to really do it well. As it stands, if true, I hate the way it's presented. It's not clever, it's deceptive and insulting.

Exactly how Shepard would probably feel about it once they realized it was happening, no?

I know I felt that way. How could they! Rage quit/uninstall... then hey, what!? Even picking the 'right' ending if you want to call it that, we still feel the effects of the attempt. It makes one thing very clear. It's not over.

Ha, I caught that "do your job or get vaporized' finally on my third playthrough and chuckled at the irony... then a reloaded, played it again, and stared at the screen for about 10 minutes.

[D.Sharrah]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Lol at epryon when he said that the indoctrination was deceptive. spoken like a true indoctrinated reaper agent

It's deceptive because Bioware tells you the game ended and you won outside of the gameplay. If they really wanted you to feel indoctrinated they wouldn't have purposely misled you.

Read that back to yourself.... Purposfully misleading you IS indoctrination man.... To be indoctrinated IS to be mislead. If you think that was the ending then they got you.

Yeah it'd be nice if it were in game. But it's not. Also, would the majority of players ever come to the conclusion that Shepard was indoctrinated without reading it on a forum?

How about you Balance? Did you suspect Shepard of being indoctrinated before this or any other thread? Or did you come to that conclusion on your own?

Did I immediately go aha "Indoctrination"?  No.  But I did think that there was something that was off (which seems to be a common occurrence for alot of forumites that post here - some admit to thinking IT, but most seem to say something was off).  From what I remember of the old thread and what I can say I have participated in this thread - it has been more about coming to a conclusion based on an interpertation of the "evidence" in the game > which lead to the "belief" in a cohesive theory about indoctrination.  I will also admit that I did a bit of lurking in other threads (look at other theory vids on you tube, etc.), but none of them resonated with me the way IT has.

And besides, I think that the "deception" is the point...without, what is the point of "speculations for everyone"?

[HellishFiend]

SS2Dante wrote...

Lol, just realised that under the premise of indoctrination most people are TIM and Epyon is Saren

NO! I'M IN CONTROL, NOBODY'S TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!