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Unschuld wrote...

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So, what's the good word people?


Nothing too earthshaking today (at least not that I saw).  I find myself having doubts about IT from time to time, but as I noted earlier, I continue to take solace from Casey Hudson's much-quoted "If you only knew what we had planned..." tweet.  I ponder that statement for a moment, and then I'm once again convinced that there is more to the end than meets the eye!:)


Here is some more encouragement for you, possibly social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12423130

(4th post :P )


Nice!:)


I almost wanted to make a thread right after he shut down a bunch of those a few minutes ago just to see if he'd lock mine.


c'mon now don't tempt him :P

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Man Priestly likes them evil faces don't he...Not that I have a problem with that! Just saying.  Anyway, here's to hoping the EC will come out soon, I was hoping it would get out by....well tomorrow actually (first tuesday of june) but maybe by the end of june early july *hopeful*


I think Priestly wisely uses that evil face to add a touch of levity to his posts so he doesnt come across as too harsh while doing his job... 

I too thought the EC would be out in early June. It seems unlikely that they'll announce it only a few days from its release, like they have been doing with the MP dlc, but who knows. 

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balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....


Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown :P : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

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I think it said in ME1 that was where the crew slept, since the only actual bed on the SR1 was in Shepard's quarters. In ME2 and ME3, they have their bunkbeds in that one room on the SR2, so the cryo pods dont really make any sense


I always thought of the cryo pods in ME2 as the "enlisted" or bottom-of-the-totem-pole quarters. The room with the bunks were the officer/staff NCO quarters. In ME1, the ship was smaller so they shared the same space. Maybe there's also other areas of the ship that we can never access? Where the heck are the escape pods located, besides the one Joker uses?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....


Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown :P : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

yes that is confirmed. however, I wouldn't say that is solid proof that the catalyst is lying,

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plfranke wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....


Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown :P : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

yes that is confirmed. however, I wouldn't say that is solid proof that the catalyst is lying,

It has been confirmed 4 times by Jessica Merizan's tweets

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plfranke wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....


Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown :P : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

yes that is confirmed. however, I wouldn't say that is solid proof that the catalyst is lying,


Well I suppose he doesn't outright say that destroy = destroy all synthetic life, more like implies it. But to me this shows that he's trying to trick you and to me lends credence to the indoc theory.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....


Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown :P : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

yes that is confirmed. however, I wouldn't say that is solid proof that the catalyst is lying,


Well I suppose he doesn't outright say that destroy = destroy all synthetic life, more like implies it. But to me this shows that he's trying to trick you and to me lends credence to the indoc theory.


I like how the Catalyst is all 'You totally shouldnt destroy all synthetics because the cycles will just start again,' even though like less than a minute before he was like 'We kill all organics every 50,000 years because they will always create synthetics, but we leave the younger ones alone so that they can continue the cycles.'

Apparently even the Reapers themselves acknowledge destroy to be the best option, except they 'destroy' organics

Modifié par byne, 05 juin 2012 - 06:11 .


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byne wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....


Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown :P : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

yes that is confirmed. however, I wouldn't say that is solid proof that the catalyst is lying,


Well I suppose he doesn't outright say that destroy = destroy all synthetic life, more like implies it. But to me this shows that he's trying to trick you and to me lends credence to the indoc theory.


I like how the Catalyst is all 'You totally shouldnt destroy all synthetics because the cycles will just start again,' even though like less than a minute before he was like 'We kill all organics every 50,000 years because they will always create synthetics, but we leave the younger ones alone so that they can continue the cycles.'

Apparently even the Reapers themselves acknowledge destroy to be the best option, except they 'destroy' organics


That's the thing that confuses me about him, even if you take things at face value you have to ask "why"? Why does he "preserve" oganics anyway? What does he care if synthetics kill us all? He IS synthetic is he not? Wouldn't it actually be much easier to just come in and scold anyone who makes a sentient AI?

Even at face value there must be a reason they want to keep organics around, and for some reason I don't think it's "cause they actually care about our well being.....


Posted Image 





Reapers reap... they don't "preserve".

Modifié par balance5050, 05 juin 2012 - 06:29 .


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balance5050 wrote...

Even at face value there must be a reason they want to keep organics around, and for some reason I don't think it's "cause they actually care about our well being.....

*snip*

Reapers reap... they don't "preserve".


Haha, nice visual!

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balance5050 wrote...

The marauder shields comic seems to be drifting to the idea that the crucible might be a trap.

http://koobismo.devi...t.com/#/d51xaym


Funny, I was just reading those too. Makes me miss all the comradery from ME2! If anything, that's something that needs to be added to the endings in the EC.

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plfranke wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....


Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown :P : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

yes that is confirmed. however, I wouldn't say that is solid proof that the catalyst is lying,


How is that not solid proof?  The Catalyst said that ALL SYNTHETICS would be destroyed and EDI is a synthetic.  I'm almost 100% convinced that the scenes post Harbinger's beam were all a dream.

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liggy002 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....


Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown :P : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

yes that is confirmed. however, I wouldn't say that is solid proof that the catalyst is lying,


How is that not solid proof?  The Catalyst said that ALL SYNTHETICS would be destroyed and EDI is a synthetic.  I'm almost 100% convinced that the scenes post Harbinger's beam were all a dream.


And no matter how you look at the endings, he can't be the Catalyst, therefore, he lies.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The marauder shields comic seems to be drifting to the idea that the crucible might be a trap.

http://koobismo.devi...t.com/#/d51xaym


Funny, I was just reading those too. Makes me miss all the comradery from ME2! If anything, that's something that needs to be added to the endings in the EC.


I really thought the ending to ME3 was going to be like the ending to ME2 except on a galactic battle scale, With armies of Krogans and sweet Salarian tech.

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Someone explain for me please the significance of the response Priestly gave them? It seemed pretty normal to me.

Also, so as not to spam the thread (too late) check my sig for my opinion and theory what the reaper's motives and birth are. Because I'm too lazy to post it here again.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Someone explain for me please the significance of the response Priestly gave them? It seemed pretty normal to me.

Also, so as not to spam the thread (too late) check my sig for my opinion and theory what the reaper's motives and birth are. Because I'm too lazy to post it here again.


I think people are seeing it as "At least wait until we can discuss the Extended Cut before you get too angry at the current situations" Or something like that, I'm a little too exhausted to put in the right words but something to that effect.

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(Repost from a while ago)

I still like my theory that the Reapers themselves are indoctrinated. Thinking about Kenson and the Hanar diplomat, they were convinced to help the Reapers with very basic, almost too basic logic. Stuff that, if anyone capable of critical thinking heard it, they wouldn't believe it, because Reapers decay brain function a little by trying to indoctrinate you. They also like to tell people they're super awesome and above comprehension.

Kenson said (paraphrased) that the we really didn't know what the Reapers were going to do, and that they've come through before, and there's still life, so they can't be all bad. She was also trying very hard to witness their arrival, and was very obsessed with doing so, which brings in the superstitious awe.

The Hanar said (paraphrased) that because he worships the Protheans, and the Protheans became the Collectors, and the Collectors served the Reapers, that to be faithful to the Protheans, he too must serve the Reapers. Once again, at it's very basic it makes logical sense, but if you actually think about it... Posted Image This one is both the basic logic and superstitious awe combined.

Now, with those in mind, listen to this conversation.



Seem familiar? Posted Image

Either the Reapers are indoctrinated to believe the crap they say, or they aren't and are just trying to mess with everyone's heads, and scare everyone. Either way, they're not here to "save" organics, and they're not as amazing as they claim.

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"It....It is not a thing you can comprehend."
"But---"
"No!"

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BleedingUranium wrote...

(Repost from a while ago)

I still like my theory that the Reapers themselves are indoctrinated. Thinking about Kenson and the Hanar diplomat, they were convinced to help the Reapers with very basic, almost too basic logic. Stuff that, if anyone capable of critical thinking heard it, they wouldn't believe it, because Reapers decay brain function a little by trying to indoctrinate you. They also like to tell people they're super awesome and above comprehension.

Kenson said (paraphrased) that the we really didn't know what the Reapers were going to do, and that they've come through before, and there's still life, so they can't be all bad. She was also trying very hard to witness their arrival, and was very obsessed with doing so, which brings in the superstitious awe.

The Hanar said (paraphrased) that because he worships the Protheans, and the Protheans became the Collectors, and the Collectors served the Reapers, that to be faithful to the Protheans, he too must serve the Reapers. Once again, at it's very basic it makes logical sense, but if you actually think about it... Posted Image This one is both the basic logic and superstitious awe combined.

Now, with those in mind, listen to this conversation.



Seem familiar? Posted Image

Either the Reapers are indoctrinated to believe the crap they say, or they aren't and are just trying to mess with everyone's heads, and scare everyone. Either way, they're not here to "save" organics, and they're not as amazing as they claim.


It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.

Modifié par Corik, 05 juin 2012 - 08:14 .


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Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

(Repost from a while ago)

I still like my theory that the Reapers themselves are indoctrinated. Thinking about Kenson and the Hanar diplomat, they were convinced to help the Reapers with very basic, almost too basic logic. Stuff that, if anyone capable of critical thinking heard it, they wouldn't believe it, because Reapers decay brain function a little by trying to indoctrinate you. They also like to tell people they're super awesome and above comprehension.

Kenson said (paraphrased) that the we really didn't know what the Reapers were going to do, and that they've come through before, and there's still life, so they can't be all bad. She was also trying very hard to witness their arrival, and was very obsessed with doing so, which brings in the superstitious awe.

The Hanar said (paraphrased) that because he worships the Protheans, and the Protheans became the Collectors, and the Collectors served the Reapers, that to be faithful to the Protheans, he too must serve the Reapers. Once again, at it's very basic it makes logical sense, but if you actually think about it... Posted Image This one is both the basic logic and superstitious awe combined.

Now, with those in mind, listen to this conversation.



Seem familiar? Posted Image

Either the Reapers are indoctrinated to believe the crap they say, or they aren't and are just trying to mess with everyone's heads, and scare everyone. Either way, they're not here to "save" organics, and they're not as amazing as they claim.


It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.


I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, the reapers work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....

Modifié par balance5050, 05 juin 2012 - 08:24 .


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balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

(Repost from a while ago)

I still like my theory that the Reapers themselves are indoctrinated. Thinking about Kenson and the Hanar diplomat, they were convinced to help the Reapers with very basic, almost too basic logic. Stuff that, if anyone capable of critical thinking heard it, they wouldn't believe it, because Reapers decay brain function a little by trying to indoctrinate you. They also like to tell people they're super awesome and above comprehension.

Kenson said (paraphrased) that the we really didn't know what the Reapers were going to do, and that they've come through before, and there's still life, so they can't be all bad. She was also trying very hard to witness their arrival, and was very obsessed with doing so, which brings in the superstitious awe.

The Hanar said (paraphrased) that because he worships the Protheans, and the Protheans became the Collectors, and the Collectors served the Reapers, that to be faithful to the Protheans, he too must serve the Reapers. Once again, at it's very basic it makes logical sense, but if you actually think about it... Posted Image This one is both the basic logic and superstitious awe combined.

Now, with those in mind, listen to this conversation.



Seem familiar? Posted Image

Either the Reapers are indoctrinated to believe the crap they say, or they aren't and are just trying to mess with everyone's heads, and scare everyone. Either way, they're not here to "save" organics, and they're not as amazing as they claim.


It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.


I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, they work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....


Personally I'd love to know more about the Reapers, but nothing I learn would change my mind about them, not like the Geth, no chance of that.

I hear a lot of people here saying we couldn't beat the Reapers, or that they really are beyond our understanding, and I really wish there was a facepalm smily Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.


I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, they work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....


Personally I'd love to know more about the Reapers, but nothing I learn would change my mind about them, not like the Geth, no chance of that.

I hear a lot of people here saying we couldn't beat the Reapers, or that they really are beyond our understanding, and I really wish there was a facepalm smily Posted Image


They are not. It's easy to understand them. They want to destroy us, turn us into liquid to build more of them. This is survival. If they don't harvest us, they cant breed. If we don't destroy them, we will be obliterated. It's easy.

That's why even without IT I think starchild is just trying to save the reapers... because he's one of them. I don't care about anything else. I must save humanity and the other races. And if I die, I will die for my friends, so they can live peacefully the rest of their life.

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Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.


I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, they work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....


Personally I'd love to know more about the Reapers, but nothing I learn would change my mind about them, not like the Geth, no chance of that.

I hear a lot of people here saying we couldn't beat the Reapers, or that they really are beyond our understanding, and I really wish there was a facepalm smily Posted Image


They are not. It's easy to understand them. They want to destroy us, turn us into liquid to build more of them. This is survival. If they don't harvest us, they cant breed. If we don't destroy them, we will be obliterated. It's easy.

That's why even without IT I think starchild is just trying to save the reapers... because he's one of them. I don't care about anything else. I must save humanity and the other races. And if I die, I will die for my friends, so they can live peacefully the rest of their life.


Well said, and to all the people that complain about sacrificing EDI & the Geth, not only did Shep already kill 300 000 Batarians just to slow the Reapers down, both EDI and the Geth said they'd rather die that be enslaved/side with the Reapers. Shep has their approval.

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balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

(Repost from a while ago)

I still like my theory that the Reapers themselves are indoctrinated. Thinking about Kenson and the Hanar diplomat, they were convinced to help the Reapers with very basic, almost too basic logic. Stuff that, if anyone capable of critical thinking heard it, they wouldn't believe it, because Reapers decay brain function a little by trying to indoctrinate you. They also like to tell people they're super awesome and above comprehension.

Kenson said (paraphrased) that the we really didn't know what the Reapers were going to do, and that they've come through before, and there's still life, so they can't be all bad. She was also trying very hard to witness their arrival, and was very obsessed with doing so, which brings in the superstitious awe.

The Hanar said (paraphrased) that because he worships the Protheans, and the Protheans became the Collectors, and the Collectors served the Reapers, that to be faithful to the Protheans, he too must serve the Reapers. Once again, at it's very basic it makes logical sense, but if you actually think about it... Posted Image This one is both the basic logic and superstitious awe combined.

Now, with those in mind, listen to this conversation.



Seem familiar? Posted Image

Either the Reapers are indoctrinated to believe the crap they say, or they aren't and are just trying to mess with everyone's heads, and scare everyone. Either way, they're not here to "save" organics, and they're not as amazing as they claim.


It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.


I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, the reapers work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....

Yes and Yes.
edit: Also BleedingUranium's last post, Yes. Thats a whole lot of win in the last 10 min.

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Hello there! Posted Image How are you all?

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