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[Arian Dynas]

That does it. It seems I need to drag it out again since no one wants to click the link in my sig.

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It seems I need to drag out my own theory on the Reapers again, for the benefit of this thread, and for great justice.

Here is their beginning, in my humble opinion;

Millions of years ago, the evil alien lord Xenu..

Wait, wrong one. *pulls out the disc and snaps it in half* damn Scientologists...

Sorry about that;

Millions of years ago, when the Milky Way was still young, a species of carnivores arose to sentience, they were intelligent, murderously so, being far more canny than they prey they hunted.

As they evolved, they developed a natural talent for both science, and war. They conquered their own planet, setting out into the Milky Way in their newly made ships, bristling with horrifying technology.

Planet after planet fell to them, as their empire grew, they mastered yet more wicked sciences, learning how to manipulate the minds of their enemies, how to render down one thing they had in surplus, bodies, into useable building material, they mastered use of the Mass Effect, discovered quantum shielding, and created the first Mass Relays to facillitate speedy travel from one end of their empire to another.

Soon they drew the attention of another, equally powerful foe, a species of insectoid aliens, known for their impressive technical skills, and their abilty as engineers, holding one of the most powerful navies in the galaxy.

The two species clashed with one another, horrifying weapons of war being designed and stolen by each, kinetic accelerator cannons finding themselves replaced with heat generating weapons, firing channels of superaccelerated liquid metal, deep cover agents being created from once trusted friends, forces turning on oneanother, fighters running kamikazi runs at light speed into the sides of powerful dreadnoughts and capital ships, a war that left scars on every world they fought, and eventually lost.

This dark race that arose to face their insectiod enemies was eventually pushed back to their homeworld, a dying, slowly withering rock, orbiting a dying star, a star due to finally end it's life in a massive conflagration that will take with it it's stony children, including their homeworld.

Desperation sets in, this violent race, desiring to see the continued existence of their species begins work on a method of saving their future.

Soon they realize all their hopes are for naught, there is no possible way for them to save themselves, they simply do not have the means to transport sufficient numbers of their population offworld, to survive the vengeance of their enemies.

Then, one brilliant mind comes upon a soloution. Space and resources preclude the body from traveling, but nothing at all precludes the mind from doing so.

Their hope rekindled, they begin work upon the refit of the greatest of their flagships, turning it into the mightiest ship ever seen, a monster nearly three kilometers in length, a suitable chariot for their species' collective intellect.

They incorporate their mightiest weapons, their most efficient and powerful kinetic barriers and engines, even developing an entirely new form of engine, creating areas of mass free space their flagship will "fall into" they pour all their resources into it, and find them insufficient.

They have run out of building materials.

But, not to be stopped, one of their most brilliant military minds comes to two realizations;

One, they won't need their bodies if they are transporting their minds with the ship, hence they can easily render them down for more building materials needed for the mind storage core.

And two, the ship, then if deprived of the crew needed to help provide building materials, will need someone to crew her, and if they should be attacked, or need to take a world to form their new homeworld, they will need groundtroops, an army.

They turn again to their grim technologies, and find the answer already prepared for them, they turn to their mental manipulation equipment, making it more efficient, and developing new, more effective ways to manipulate the body, as well as the mind, for they long ago mastered the technique of forging flesh as easily as metal.

Soon their great work is to be completed, they near the birth of the great ship that shall be the salvation of their race, taking them and their collective minds far from their dying home. The last minds are transferred into the completed ship, with their greatest military mind, whom is also their ruler, being the last to "board".

He joins his mind to the rest, and then something goes horribly wrong. Rather than maintaining a million distinct personalities, minds and psyches, they form into one horrifying gestalt, a single mind formed of many, a mind more horrible than all of their collective cruelties inflicted upon the galaxy, something perfect, and terrible in it's perfection.

A mind that belives itself to be the end of evolution, a single mind now, which has come to the realization that it is the child of an entire great species, a species which sacrificed everything for it's creation, it's perfection. A perfection it must share, this is the greatest achivement that it's species could form, nay that ANY species could possibly achive, the creation of a collective mind so great, so mighty, a mind that is immortal, not subject to the ravages of time, capable of leveling continents and cities with insulting ease, surely something so great MUST be perfection incarnate, surely this is what is must be to be a God, and as we all know, Gods, are perfect, and all others must find a way to achive this perfection, no all others must be MADE to become as perfect as this new being.


It will help all others ascend to it's level, or if they refuse, they will be forced. This new being will bring them perfection, their destiny, it will be a Harbinger of all they will become.

This new Harbinger, as it calls itself, first attacks their old enemies, causing great harm and massive damage before being driven off, nearly destroyed in it's own attempt, leading it to realize, that despite it's perfection, it remains subject to being killed. Therfore, it requires allies. The Harbinger attacks the remains of several of the old empire's enemies, forming new capital ships of the "worthy" enemies, ones as diverse, intellectual, and strong as its own progenitors, while lesser enemies lose their individuality to become Destroyers, and the animals of these broken planets, rather than being left to simply rot and go to waste, are rendered down into becoming the unintelligent Processing Ships and Troop Transports piloted by other, more worthy ships.

Soon, even their greatest enemy, the insectoid species of engineers falls to their might, the first cycle having completed.

When at this point, the Harbinger comes to a realization. It has scoured the galaxy clean of advanced life, it could destroy all organic life now if it wished.

But that would deny future races the chance at perfection attained by it and it's compatriots. It makes a descision, they will allow organic life to thrive for a time, until it achives greatness as it's own species did, before they return and capture it in the apex of it's greatness, storing it in their new form, making way for other species to join their ranks, but they will need a method of control, a way to ensure their victory before the war has already begun, so that their technology might evolve along paths they understand and know, therefore they create the Mass Relay network, and the Citadel, taking their greatest enemy and repurposing them into the "Keepers" of this new Citadel, so that it's secrets may not be found, and as a final insult to the foe whom nearly drove them to extinction. Every cycle they extend their understanding with the great discoveries of the next species to join them, stripping worlds of their technology to study and understand, learning more of the universe, and ensuring they are prepared for yet more technologies designed by these younger races. They choose to leave behind one of the mightiest of their number, the second of their kind, formed by the Harbinger, the one known as Nazara, to be their vanguard in the next cycle, making the case that the second strongest of their number should be the first strike they make.

And thus, the new "Reapers" begin to gather in dark space, waiting for their crop of flesh to arise anew. [/quote]
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[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

Hello there!

Hey Paxx

[WinterCrow]

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Priestly is on a roll... everyone be very still and he might not notice us....

Lol I liked his response to the Aria thread.

Anyway, ON TOPIC as to avoid lockdown : I'm curious if it's been proven that EDI can step out of the Normandy after the destroy ending? On parabolee's blog at least it still says it hasn't been confirmed. That would be almost all the proof we need that starbinger is lying...

I did the last mission with EDI on the team just to check if that happened and it didn't. The only "proof" we have about it is Jessica Merizan's words, there is nothing on YouTube either.

I don't know, I don't think that's true in the end. I mean, it would clearly mean just how badly the catalyst is lying, she is indeed synthetic life. If that scene truly existed it would already be on YouTube, but so far we have nothing, after almost 4 months.

[Arian Dynas]

You drove me to do this. I was trying to keep the thread all neat and tidy and you made me have to drag this out again. For shame.

[BleedingUranium]

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Hey Arian

[Arian Dynas]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

snipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnip

Hey Arian

I went to the trouble of draggin this out and if you lot are going to discuss the motivations of the Reapers, I am going to make you read it.

[BleedingUranium]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

snipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnip

Hey Arian

I went to the trouble of draggin this out and if you lot are going to discuss the motivations of the Reapers, I am going to make you read it.

I have, twice

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.

I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, they work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....

Personally I'd love to know more about the Reapers, but nothing I learn would change my mind about them, not like the Geth, no chance of that.

I hear a lot of people here saying we couldn't beat the Reapers, or that they really are beyond our understanding, and I really wish there was a facepalm smily

They are not. It's easy to understand them. They want to destroy us, turn us into liquid to build more of them. This is survival. If they don't harvest us, they cant breed. If we don't destroy them, we will be obliterated. It's easy.

That's why even without IT I think starchild is just trying to save the reapers... because he's one of them. I don't care about anything else. I must save humanity and the other races. And if I die, I will die for my friends, so they can live peacefully the rest of their life.

Well said, and to all the people that complain about sacrificing EDI & the Geth, not only did Shep already kill 300 000 Batarians just to slow the Reapers down, both EDI and the Geth said they'd rather die that be enslaved/side with the Reapers. Shep has their approval.

Sacrifice the Geth? Never. Control the Reapers? Always.  They can be extremely useful if only they can change their ways. They are machines not monsters. They harvest not because this is what they are but because their internals make them to. If you change their "algorithms" or feed different input data they become harmless. Of course, their programming (AI) is extremely sophisticated but it doesn't mean the Reapers can't be changed. The only possibility of them unable to be changed might be if their "algorithms" are hardware-implemented (with incorrect data correction).

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 09:02 .

[Stigweird85]

Baa Baa wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Another possible foreshadowing is this...
"Kalahira, this one's heart is pure, but beset by wickedness and contention."
"His last moments were those of a hero. Why pray for salvation?"
"The prayer was not for him Commander. He has already asked forgiveness for the lies he has taken. His wish was for you..."
Also it's my favorite moments of the game

It's worth noting that you don't always hear this message.

Obviously if Thane doesn't survive the suicide mission(unless Kirahe has a similar moment)  but if you choose not to pray with him then you do not get this message. I cannot recall if Thane's son says a different prayer or if it is just a moment of silence.

Not sure what implications it has really but thought it should be mentioned.

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Yeah I know it's a late response but I'm currently wading through about a collective of 200+ pages on multiple threads so please forgive me

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.

I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, they work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....

Personally I'd love to know more about the Reapers, but nothing I learn would change my mind about them, not like the Geth, no chance of that.

I hear a lot of people here saying we couldn't beat the Reapers, or that they really are beyond our understanding, and I really wish there was a facepalm smily

They are not. It's easy to understand them. They want to destroy us, turn us into liquid to build more of them. This is survival. If they don't harvest us, they cant breed. If we don't destroy them, we will be obliterated. It's easy.

That's why even without IT I think starchild is just trying to save the reapers... because he's one of them. I don't care about anything else. I must save humanity and the other races. And if I die, I will die for my friends, so they can live peacefully the rest of their life.

Well said, and to all the people that complain about sacrificing EDI & the Geth, not only did Shep already kill 300 000 Batarians just to slow the Reapers down, both EDI and the Geth said they'd rather die that be enslaved/side with the Reapers. Shep has their approval.

Sacrifice the Geth? Never. Control the Reapers? Always.  They can be extremely useful if only they can change their ways. They are machines not monsters. They harvest not because this is what they are but because their internals make them to. If you change their "algorithms" or feed different input data they become harmless. Of course, their programming (AI) is extremely sophisticated but it doesn't mean the Reapers can't be changed. The only possibility of them unable to be changed might be if their "algorithms" are hardware-implemented (with incorrect data correction).

You rewrote the Geth Heretics and saved the Collector Base, didn't you...

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.

I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, they work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....

Personally I'd love to know more about the Reapers, but nothing I learn would change my mind about them, not like the Geth, no chance of that.

I hear a lot of people here saying we couldn't beat the Reapers, or that they really are beyond our understanding, and I really wish there was a facepalm smily

They are not. It's easy to understand them. They want to destroy us, turn us into liquid to build more of them. This is survival. If they don't harvest us, they cant breed. If we don't destroy them, we will be obliterated. It's easy.

That's why even without IT I think starchild is just trying to save the reapers... because he's one of them. I don't care about anything else. I must save humanity and the other races. And if I die, I will die for my friends, so they can live peacefully the rest of their life.

Well said, and to all the people that complain about sacrificing EDI & the Geth, not only did Shep already kill 300 000 Batarians just to slow the Reapers down, both EDI and the Geth said they'd rather die that be enslaved/side with the Reapers. Shep has their approval.

Sacrifice the Geth? Never. Control the Reapers? Always.  They can be extremely useful if only they can change their ways. They are machines not monsters. They harvest not because this is what they are but because their internals make them to. If you change their "algorithms" or feed different input data they become harmless. Of course, their programming (AI) is extremely sophisticated but it doesn't mean the Reapers can't be changed. The only possibility of them unable to be changed might be if their "algorithms" are hardware-implemented (with incorrect data correction).

You rewrote the Geth Heretics and saved the Collector Base, didn't you...

 But my import save had the Collector Base destroyed.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 09:09 .

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.

I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, they work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....

Personally I'd love to know more about the Reapers, but nothing I learn would change my mind about them, not like the Geth, no chance of that.

I hear a lot of people here saying we couldn't beat the Reapers, or that they really are beyond our understanding, and I really wish there was a facepalm smily

They are not. It's easy to understand them. They want to destroy us, turn us into liquid to build more of them. This is survival. If they don't harvest us, they cant breed. If we don't destroy them, we will be obliterated. It's easy.

That's why even without IT I think starchild is just trying to save the reapers... because he's one of them. I don't care about anything else. I must save humanity and the other races. And if I die, I will die for my friends, so they can live peacefully the rest of their life.

Well said, and to all the people that complain about sacrificing EDI & the Geth, not only did Shep already kill 300 000 Batarians just to slow the Reapers down, both EDI and the Geth said they'd rather die that be enslaved/side with the Reapers. Shep has their approval.

Sacrifice the Geth? Never. Control the Reapers? Always.  They can be extremely useful if only they can change their ways. They are machines not monsters. They harvest not because this is what they are but because their internals make them to. If you change their "algorithms" or feed different input data they become harmless. Of course, their programming (AI) is extremely sophisticated but it doesn't mean the Reapers can't be changed. The only possibility of them unable to be changed might be if their "algorithms" are hardware-implemented (with incorrect data correction).

You rewrote the Geth Heretics and saved the Collector Base, didn't you...

 But my import save had the Collector Base destroyed.

Well, consistency is good: use whatever tools are at your disposal, no matter how you get them or who's they were. I understand that, even if I'm too idealistic to do that myself

[DJBare]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

To quote Hackett's description of the Crucible:

"...the designs are...elegant. Massive in scope, but strangely simple as well."

Yeah, 'my' words to Liara and to Hackett - "this seems too easy... and a little stupid. We can't possibly throw everthing at this question mark!"

Of course then your off to the Citadel and checking on the VS  and then going to the Council. Of course I wanted to tell them it was horsedoo but it wasn't on the dialog wheel.

Liara: "We have that plan."

Shep: Air quotes, "I've dismissed that claim!" 

Walks out.

Mine too. I already didn't like the idea that the cricible existed at all. They tried to keep the reaper off button a mystery for as long as they could. I was at least hoping that it was a massive gun you could take control of.

Maybe it's time to think outside the box and stop considering the crucible a reaper off button?, I stopped believing that weeks ago, too many unknowns and suspicions surrounding it, the best example to me is we are forced into giving it a human reaper heart, in my opinion the crucible is a reaper device, and my guess is a mass indoctrination device.

The reason I'm on this track is because I do not believe Bioware would have gone for a reaper off button, I'm pretty sure that nearly all the devs would consider a reaper off button lame.

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Corik wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Corik wrote...

It's propaganda. I don't care about what such an enemy has to say. My mission is to destroy them, not to understand them. They've been harvesting all organic species for millions of years... I can't understand how some people want to reason with them, or even understand their motivations. They are monsters... We fight or we die.

I'm tired of reaper sympathiser's as well, they work together and if any of them are the leader, it's Harbinger.....

Personally I'd love to know more about the Reapers, but nothing I learn would change my mind about them, not like the Geth, no chance of that.

I hear a lot of people here saying we couldn't beat the Reapers, or that they really are beyond our understanding, and I really wish there was a facepalm smily

They are not. It's easy to understand them. They want to destroy us, turn us into liquid to build more of them. This is survival. If they don't harvest us, they cant breed. If we don't destroy them, we will be obliterated. It's easy.

That's why even without IT I think starchild is just trying to save the reapers... because he's one of them. I don't care about anything else. I must save humanity and the other races. And if I die, I will die for my friends, so they can live peacefully the rest of their life.

Well said, and to all the people that complain about sacrificing EDI & the Geth, not only did Shep already kill 300 000 Batarians just to slow the Reapers down, both EDI and the Geth said they'd rather die that be enslaved/side with the Reapers. Shep has their approval.

Sacrifice the Geth? Never. Control the Reapers? Always.  They can be extremely useful if only they can change their ways. They are machines not monsters. They harvest not because this is what they are but because their internals make them to. If you change their "algorithms" or feed different input data they become harmless. Of course, their programming (AI) is extremely sophisticated but it doesn't mean the Reapers can't be changed. The only possibility of them unable to be changed might be if their "algorithms" are hardware-implemented (with incorrect data correction).

You rewrote the Geth Heretics and saved the Collector Base, didn't you...

 But my import save had the Collector Base destroyed.

Well, consistency is good: use whatever tools are at your disposal, no matter how you get them or who's they were. I understand that, even if I'm too idealistic to do that myself

Rewriting geth heretics was a choice between destroying them (killing) or letting them live peacefully (as ally against the Reapers).

As for the Collector Base, I didn't want to hand it to TIM because I knew he would use its technology to harvest humans or aliens to build a Reaper.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 09:23 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seeing the Assassin's Creed 3 demo yesterday I now have something else to look forward to apart from EC :/

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

Rewriting geth heretics was a choice between destroying them (killing) or letting them live peacefully (as ally against the Reapers).

As to the Collector Base, Ii didn't want to hand it to TIM because I kne would harvest humans to build a Reaper.

I think it was more of a decision of letting them die believing what they chose to believe, or altering them against their will in order to force your views upon them. 

[Stigweird85]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Absolutely huge wall of text removed

Two things,

1. I didn't read it, in the off chance that it may be better than the actually EC I don't want to be too disappointed. Or in case you have actually matched the EC.

2.  I applaud you for the effort you've put into this and other works. You deserve to get a proper outlet for your works.

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rewriting geth heretics was a choice between destroying them (killing) or letting them live peacefully (as ally against the Reapers).

As to the Collector Base, Ii didn't want to hand it to TIM because I kne would harvest humans to build a Reaper.

I think it was more of a decision of letting them die believing what they chose to believe, or altering them against their will in order to force your views upon them. 

What Fiend said. Though, I was thinking, aren't they just the synthetic equivalent of indoctrinated? In that case I don't think it'd be so bad to rewrite them. I would want to un-indoctrinate an organic

Are they really indoctrinated Geth, or is it something different?

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rewriting geth heretics was a choice between destroying them (killing) or letting them live peacefully (as ally against the Reapers).

As to the Collector Base, Ii didn't want to hand it to TIM because I kne would harvest humans to build a Reaper.

I think it was more of a decision of letting them die believing what they chose to believe, or altering them against their will in order to force your views upon them. 

Semantics.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 09:30 .

[Stigweird85]

dreamgazer wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BlackswordSteve wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Who cares about people with no internet, not to sound like an A hole but if you're a gamer and you have no internet, I'm sure you already know what you're missing. Sorry, but in this day and age where rpgs are getting constant updates, a modern gamer has an internet connection. Most people I know have had internet for over a decade....

True, but still, if IT is real (assuming that it wouldn't lead into ME4 anyway), then offline players who bought the game would be screwed over. I mean, you can't just tell your players that the game is playable offline and then have the real ending be available ONLY online.

I like to think the majority of gamers have internet access but I really don't know enough to say that. If IT is true and the rest of the game is released via free DLC, Bioware will probably (hopefully) release a DLC disk of some sort so those players can get to it.

It's an innovative idea, and the majority do, yes.  But it's also dismissing a healthy number of traditional console gamers who simply keep their systems offline---and, in many situations, might not have done the research into the extended cut.

Then again, I imagine that there's a pretty positive correlation between the number of people who care about the Extended Cut situation and those who have the internet. 

Dunno.  Just think it might set a dangerous precedent.  I'm excited for it, of course, but I don't like the implications.

Three words on this:

DISK BASED EXPANSION.

You can still download it but for this to work you would need a day and date release for disk and download - which could also explain the delay as they would have to manufactur a lot of disks. Actually thinking about it, not exactly cost effective as we know EC will be free and stores are hardly going to stock a "free disk" perhaps. Perhaps everyone with a registered copy here on BSN will get an email asking for a postal address for a disk or USB stick or something.

[Arian Dynas]

bigstig wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Absolutely huge wall of text removed

Two things,

1. I didn't read it, in the off chance that it may be better than the actually EC I don't want to be too disappointed. Or in case you have actually matched the EC.

2.  I applaud you for the effort you've put into this and other works. You deserve to get a proper outlet for your works.

1. Damned if you do...

2. I do, I write novels. The series I am currently working on has no title, but eventually you may be able to pick up a copy, keep your eyes open for Swords and Sorrows: The Book of Iron sometime at a publisher maybe near you, but probably not.

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rewriting geth heretics was a choice between destroying them (killing) or letting them live peacefully (as ally against the Reapers).

As to the Collector Base, Ii didn't want to hand it to TIM because I kne would harvest humans to build a Reaper.

I think it was more of a decision of letting them die believing what they chose to believe, or altering them against their will in order to force your views upon them. 

What Fiend said. Though, I was thinking, aren't they just the synthetic equivalent of indoctrinated? In that case I don't think it'd be so bad to rewrite them. I would want to un-indoctrinate an organic

Are they really indoctrinated Geth, or is it something different?

I can understand Fiend. His point is whether it's morally acceptable to force the geth rewrite on them. In this situation you have to consider what is more morally inaceptable: killing or letting to live. And remember AIs don't think like organics. They do not resent, do not regret, do not mourn loss of their previous viewpoint.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 09:43 .

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rewriting geth heretics was a choice between destroying them (killing) or letting them live peacefully (as ally against the Reapers).

As to the Collector Base, Ii didn't want to hand it to TIM because I kne would harvest humans to build a Reaper.

I think it was more of a decision of letting them die believing what they chose to believe, or altering them against their will in order to force your views upon them. 

What Fiend said. Though, I was thinking, aren't they just the synthetic equivalent of indoctrinated? In that case I don't think it'd be so bad to rewrite them. I would want to un-indoctrinate an organic

Are they really indoctrinated Geth, or is it something different?

I can understand Fiend. His point is whether it's morally acceptable to force the geth rewrite on them. In this situation you have to consider what is more morally inaceptable: killing or letting to live. And remember AIs don't think like organics. They do not resent, do not regret, do not moarn loss of their previous viewpoint.

Geth don't. Keep in mind that unless you let Legion upgrade the Geth in ME3 they're not really AIs, they're more like lots and lots of VIs, that become similar to AIs when together. Only after they get the code are they truly AIs. EDI is really the only AI we have experience with, and I'd say she's capable of all of the above.

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rewriting geth heretics was a choice between destroying them (killing) or letting them live peacefully (as ally against the Reapers).

As to the Collector Base, Ii didn't want to hand it to TIM because I kne would harvest humans to build a Reaper.

I think it was more of a decision of letting them die believing what they chose to believe, or altering them against their will in order to force your views upon them. 

What Fiend said. Though, I was thinking, aren't they just the synthetic equivalent of indoctrinated? In that case I don't think it'd be so bad to rewrite them. I would want to un-indoctrinate an organic

Are they really indoctrinated Geth, or is it something different?

I can understand Fiend. His point is whether it's morally acceptable to force the geth rewrite on them. In this situation you have to consider what is more morally inaceptable: killing or letting to live. And remember AIs don't think like organics. They do not resent, do not regret, do not moarn loss of their previous viewpoint.

Geth don't. Keep in mind that unless you let Legion upgrade the Geth in ME3 they're not really AIs, they're more like lots and lots of VIs, that become similar to AIs when together. Only after they get the code are they truly AIs. EDI is really the only AI we have experience with, and I'd say she's capable of all of the above.

Anyway, I like the geth and didn't want to see them in trash.

[HellishFiend]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I can understand Fiend. His point is whether it's morally acceptable to force the geth rewrite on them. In this situation you have to consider what is more morally inaceptable: killing or letting to live. And remember AIs don't think like organics. They do not resent, do not regret, do not moarn loss of their previous viewpoint.

Geth don't. Keep in mind that unless you let Legion upgrade the Geth in ME3 they're not really AIs, they're more like lots and lots of VIs, that become similar to AIs when together. Only after they get the code are they truly AIs. EDI is really the only AI we have experience with, and I'd say she's capable of all of the above.

In any case, I dont think there is a right or wrong answer in the strictest sense. It's up to your personal code of morals and ethics, in which case the answer you pick becomes the right answer for you. 

About the Geth Indoctrination thing, I dont think the heretics were under any sort of Reaper influence at that point, so continuing to follow the Reapers was essentially their "choice", however misguided.