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[Boradam]

dreamgazer wrote...


Can't get a clear outline, outside of a silhouette that's too vague to concrete say either way ... but it looks like the Carnifex.

Nah, I think I see the Predator's white upon a second viewing.

Carnifex: 



Predator(?):

I am not positive if the second screen cap is a Predator or not from that angle, but the main difference I'm looking at between the two guns is the Carnifex has one large barrel but the Predator has two. I cannot make out if it is two barrels on the Predator from that angle, so I'll leave it to you guys.

Modifié par Boradam, 16 mai 2012 - 04:11 .

[DJBare]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Well, here's the bad destroy ending: http://youtu.be/mvypGrIG4B4?t=22s

Can't get a clear outline, outside of a silhouette that's too vague to concrete say either way ... but it looks like the Carnifex.

Nah, I think I see the Predator's white upon a second viewing.

Crap...it does.  Still, I may mean something still if it doesn't happen in the others.  The files even state both Carnifax and predator and it does look intentional to me.

Just to confirm it's the predator, this is a screen grab from the video

[DJBare]

Boradam wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


Can't get a clear outline, outside of a silhouette that's too vague to concrete say either way ... but it looks like the Carnifex.

Nah, I think I see the Predator's white upon a second viewing.

Carnifex:
I am not positive if the second screen cap is a Predator or not from that angle, but the main difference I'm looking at between the two guns is the Carnifex has one large barrel but the Predator has two. I cannot make out if it is two barrels on the Predator from that angle, so I'll leave it to you guys.

No, both of those images are Carnifex. no curve along the side of the barrel

[Boradam]

EDIT: ^ I see then, thanks.

Me and my blind eyes trying to make out a difference:

Modifié par Boradam, 16 mai 2012 - 04:17 .

[DJBare]

Boradam wrote...

Me and my blind eyes trying to make out a difference:
*image snip*

A side view gives much more visual information about the weapon, like the curve on the predator that does not exist on the carnifex.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Ulous wrote...

DJBare wrote...


Why was it not destroyed by the Reapers when it arrived at SOL, why did the reapers let Hackett connect it to the citadel without any resistance, the reapers had the citadel covered then decided to leave while a supposed potential threat to them was being delivered, in my opinion they wanted that thing there, now it gets fired up and everything in range becomes indoctrinated, all of earth and most importantly the entire fleet you just bought to the system, imagine as a reaper having that under your control, they could send the ships back to their respective planets to aid in the destruction of those planets.

True but then again why would the Reapers just not build it themselves? which just leaves more questions.

AHA!!, Because the Reapers NEED indoctrinated subjects to do the work.................for them.

[balance5050]

DJBare wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Me and my blind eyes trying to make out a difference:
*image snip*

A side view gives much more visual information about the weapon, like the curve on the predator that does not exist on the carnifex.

It kinda makes sense that they were focusing so much attention on the gun in the earlier scenes. First with the magic gun that Shepard can fire with his mind, and then again when he gives it a strange look in the Collector halls. They were trying to get you to pay attention to the gun it seems.

[TSA_383]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...


Important question: Are the 'whispers' in the TIM sequence the same as the Dream whispers?

Can we get a confirmation on this?

They sound identical to me, but I'll wait for our resident sound expert to confirm.

Not sure - the whispers from the TIM sequences certainly don't match anything in the dream folders, but the game occasionally calls sounds from other scenes, so that's far from conclusive...
Am a little busy just now though, I'll have a proper look at some point tomorrow.
(Also, I love the title of "resident sound expert" if you were referring to me )

Modifié par TSA_383, 16 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[Destructorlio]

pirate1802 wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Reflection of the Crucible's energy anyone?

I can't interpret the tree reflection as anything other than a clue left by Bioware to subtly indicate that the Crucible test is not real.

My problems with that is
1. the trees are not visible that clearly from normal angle, without using flycam. They ARE visible, to be sure; but not as clearly as with flycam, and only if you know what and where to look at.
2. They may well be leftovers from an abandoned level design.

But the whole reason we found them at all is because we noticed them (or at least, we noticed something in the reflection) in the gameplay itself, which caused us to look at the cubemaps- not vice versa. Loads of people even said they thought they were trees. So they must be visible without flycam, because us xbox players were talking about them before the flycam footage was posted- I myself have seen them quite clearly on the ramp to control (you kind of have to pan the camera to see them).

I think the 'it might be leftovers' is sort of clutching at straws for it not to be IT. We've lookde at the architecture of the game, we've seen how complex and intricately designed this game is. There is no way QA would miss this on all of the cubemaps. Talk to anyone who works in software QA- there is no way. It is there intentionally.

[TSA_383]

Xavendithas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

blooregard wrote...
I think once she saw the Reaper vision she realized the alpha relay had to get popped but the longer she stayed the more indoctrinated she became (I think it started becoming noticable when she said she feels like she's doing something aweful)

I'm not entirely convinced that wasn't another part of the Harbinger plan...

Think about Arrival for a sec:

-You go there, alone, because of someone who is a reaper agent.
-They then bring you directly to Object Rho, which does whatever it does to you.
-They then take you to the medical bay (??) where they do something or other to you for 2 days.
-You then awaken, at which point you blow up a relay and destroy a batarian colony, disrupting galactic peace, grounding Shepard and preventing the species from properly preparing.

So, two birds with one stone - prevent the species of the galaxy from preparing and get a hook on Shepard...

I think you are heading in the right direction. I suspect that whatever plot twist is lurking undetected behind the IT involves Shepard unknowingly advancing Harbinger's agenda.

He makes sure the crucible gets built and at the end of the day brings all the various galactic fleets together to be harvested?
I'm sure there'll be more to it than that, but still

He's the Shepard leading his flock of sheep to the slaughter...

ohupthis wrote...

Ulous wrote...

DJBare wrote...


Why
was it not destroyed by the Reapers when it arrived at SOL, why did the
reapers let Hackett connect it to the citadel without any resistance,
the reapers had the citadel covered then decided to leave while a
supposed potential threat to them was being delivered, in my opinion
they wanted that thing there, now it gets fired up and everything in
range becomes indoctrinated, all of earth and most importantly the
entire fleet you just bought to the system, imagine as a reaper having
that under your control, they could send the ships back to their
respective planets to aid in the destruction of those planets.

True but then again why would the Reapers just not build it themselves? which just leaves more questions.

AHA!!, Because the Reapers NEED indoctrinated subjects to do the work.................for them.

It's their tragic lack of opposable thumbs

Modifié par TSA_383, 16 mai 2012 - 04:38 .

[dreamgazer]

balance5050 wrote...

It kinda makes sense that they were focusing so much attention on the gun in the earlier scenes. First with the magic gun that Shepard can fire with his mind, and then again when he gives it a strange look in the Collector halls. They were trying to get you to pay attention to the gun it seems.

"And who will you listen to, Shepard? An old soldier, stuck in his ways, only able to see the world down the barrel of a gun?"

[Cyberfrog81]

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Uh, based on what I watched, it looks like it occurs in both the bad and the breath versions of the Destroy ending.  However, the simple fact that it happens is evidence enough, if you ask me.

OK, I'm reposting this.  Also, I would be a very happy Turian if someone went ahead and used the flycam to check the scenes. 

Well, I have a "fail Shepard" with crap EMS (2314). But I can't get flycam to work. Argh.

But yeah, it's certainly interesting regardless.

[Ulous]

[quote]ohupthis wrote...

[quote]Ulous wrote...

[quote]DJBare wrote...


Why
was it not destroyed by the Reapers when it arrived at SOL, why did the
reapers let Hackett connect it to the citadel without any resistance,
the reapers had the citadel covered then decided to leave while a
supposed potential threat to them was being delivered, in my opinion
they wanted that thing there, now it gets fired up and everything in
range becomes indoctrinated, all of earth and most importantly the
entire fleet you just bought to the system, imagine as a reaper having
that under your control, they could send the ships back to their
respective planets to aid in the destruction of those planets.

[/quote]

True but then again why would the Reapers just not build it themselves? which just leaves more questions.
[/quote]


AHA!!, Because the Reapers NEED indoctrinated subjects to do the work.................for them.[/quote]

It's their tragic lack of opposable thumbs
[/quote]

Ahh so that's why they were building a human reaper then!

Modifié par Ulous, 16 mai 2012 - 04:42 .

[balance5050]

 Posted this in another thread, it's relevant:



Sorry it took so long, I can't seem to actually find a source for the first leak, but it basically had four different ways the conduit scene played out. I found this quote but if anyonecan find the source let me know cause it may not be legit.


"Designer Cutscene:
Shepard comes to.
A handful of survivors from hammer, including Anderson and the henchmen, have gotten bogged down just a few dozen meters from the conduit and have dug in, but are dying quickly.
Suddenly, the Normandy streaks overhead, evading fire fromthe Reaper and blowing a hole in the Reaper enemies' lines.
Anderson shouts for Shepard to make a run for it, and orders the rest of Hammer to cover him."

The outcomes to this where as follows.
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."

2:"Shepard comes to. Anderson is dragging him forward. A jagged, bloody piece of metal is sticking out of his thigh. The conduit anchor retracts, stranding the henchmen. Shepard tries to walk, but his leg buckles. Anderson hands Shepard his pistol, and lifts Shepard's arm around his neck, supporting his leg. The two begin to shuffle towards the conduit beam."

3: "Designer Cutscene: Shepard limps to the conduit, and takes one final look around for other survivors. Seeing none, he enters the beam and is transported to the citadel."

4: "Shepard regains consciousness. He's bloody, and obviously badly injured. The Reaper is overhead, blasting away at retreating elements of Hammer. Shepard looks around: he's surrounded by burning vehicles and corpses, alone. He reaches for a syrette of medigel, but finds them broken or empty. Determined, he struggles to his feet, and starts limping towards the conduit." 


Again, this isn't souced, so I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LEGIT if anyone can confirm somehow, I would appreciatte it.


And if you guys can see, it looks like there is indeed a metal rod peirced through Shep's leg.

http://thundermods.n...ith/ME3/hit.png 

 

EDIT: OH yeah, Credit to MegumiAsuza for the pic. 

EDIT2: I doubt that the Hammer soldiers were referred to as "henchmen", might be paraphrased, got this quote from here, this person doesn't seem aware of the metal in the leg's significance so I wonder where this person got the information from. 
http://www.forumopol...=105842&page=10 

EDIT3: I guess the gamefiles refer to to your squadmates as "henchmen" so the script above is a little more legit than I originally thought. 

Modifié par balance5050, 16 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[dreamgazer]

4: "Shepard regains consciousness. He's bloody, and obviously badly injured. The Reaper is overhead, blasting away at retreating elements of Hammer. Shepard looks around: he's surrounded by burning vehicles and corpses, alone. He reaches for a syrette of medigel, but finds them broken or empty. Determined, he struggles to his feet, and starts limping towards the conduit."

That's exactly what I've seen in my mind post-indoctrination attempt. I don't know if that's a good thing or bad, considering there's no source and how well it fits my idealistic image with the interpretation in mind. (laughs)

I wonder what the Citadel would really look like. The same would be fine, but making it a different sort of monstrosity would be a slick payoff. More I think about it, the more I realize I not only don't need more gameplay, I kinda want the whole extended ending to be exposition-only like that---just so it conforms to the notion that the ending has "remained the same". 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 16 mai 2012 - 04:59 .

[TSA_383]

balance5050 wrote...

 Posted this in another thread, it's relevant:



Sorry it took so long, I can't seem to actually find a source for the first leak, but it basically had four different ways the conduit scene played out. I found this quote but if anyonecan find the source let me know cause it may not be legit.


"Designer Cutscene:
Shepard comes to.
A handful of survivors from hammer, including Anderson and the henchmen, have gotten bogged down just a few dozen meters from the conduit and have dug in, but are dying quickly.
Suddenly, the Normandy streaks overhead, evading fire fromthe Reaper and blowing a hole in the Reaper enemies' lines.
Anderson shouts for Shepard to make a run for it, and orders the rest of Hammer to cover him."

The outcomes to this where as follows.
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."

2:"Shepard comes to. Anderson is dragging him forward. A jagged, bloody piece of metal is sticking out of his thigh. The conduit anchor retracts, stranding the henchmen. Shepard tries to walk, but his leg buckles. Anderson hands Shepard his pistol, and lifts Shepard's arm around his neck, supporting his leg. The two begin to shuffle towards the conduit beam."

3: "Designer Cutscene: Shepard limps to the conduit, and takes one final look around for other survivors. Seeing none, he enters the beam and is transported to the citadel."

4: "Shepard regains consciousness. He's bloody, and obviously badly injured. The Reaper is overhead, blasting away at retreating elements of Hammer. Shepard looks around: he's surrounded by burning vehicles and corpses, alone. He reaches for a syrette of medigel, but finds them broken or empty. Determined, he struggles to his feet, and starts limping towards the conduit." 


Again, this isn't souced, so I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LEGIT if anyone can confirm somehow, I would appreciatte it.


And if you guys can see, it looks like there is indeed a metal rod peirced through Shep's leg.

http://thundermods.n...ith/ME3/hit.png 

 

EDIT: OH yeah, Credit to MegumiAsuza for the pic. 

It's legit.
Most of the sound files for that dialogue are already present in the game files if you look.

[balance5050]

TSA_383 wrote...
snip

It's legit.
Most of the sound files for that dialogue are already present in the game files if you look.

Hmm, what do the sound files say? (I'm on xbox)

[Domanese]

Oh look at that, a leak on what happens after Shepard wakes up in the Destroy Ending. *Spit Take* WHAT!? Where the heck did that come from!?

Modifié par Domanese, 16 mai 2012 - 05:04 .

[TSA_383]

balance5050 wrote...
EDIT2: I doubt that the Hammer soldiers were referred to as "henchmen", might be paraphrased, got this quote from here, this person doesn't seem aware of the metal in the leg's significance so I wonder where this person got the information from. 
http://www.forumopol...=105842&page=10 

The game files always refer to your squadmates as "henchmen". Thought that was funny with a Tali/Liara combo...

balance5050 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
snip

It's legit.
Most of the sound files for that dialogue are already present in the game files if you look.

Hmm, what do the sound files say? (I'm on xbox)

-Some Joker VA from after destroying the reaper forces' line.
-Shep shouting "GET BACK!"
-Some other Shepard/Anderson lines
-An entire conversation that shepard/anderson have arriving in what sounds like the citadel tunnel together (as in, actually physically with each other).

I assumed it was from a cut version of the current (pre-"catalyst") segment, since it matches a couple of scenes from the originally leaked script.

Also probably worth noting is that your ruined armour that can be unlocked and used in-game has a hole in the leg, although that doesn't preclude it being from an old version of the ending.

Modifié par TSA_383, 16 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[balance5050]

TSA_383 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
EDIT2: I doubt that the Hammer soldiers were referred to as "henchmen", might be paraphrased, got this quote from here, this person doesn't seem aware of the metal in the leg's significance so I wonder where this person got the information from. 
http://www.forumopol...=105842&page=10 

The game files always refer to your squadmates as "henchmen". Thought that was funny with a Tali/Liara combo...

balance5050 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
snip

It's legit.
Most of the sound files for that dialogue are already present in the game files if you look.

Hmm, what do the sound files say? (I'm on xbox)

-Some Joker VA from after destroying the reaper forces' line.
-Shep shouting "GET BACK!"
-Some other Shepard/Anderson lines
-An entire conversation that shepard/anderson have arriving in what sounds like the citadel tunnel together (as in, actually physically with each other).

I assumed it was from a cut version of the current (pre-"catalyst") segment, since it matches a couple of scenes from the originally leaked script.

Also probably worth noting is that your ruined armour that can be unlocked and used in-game has a hole in the leg, although that doesn't preclude it being from an old version of the ending.

Ok, makes a lot more sense if the game files refer to them as henchmen..... wow thanks.

[dreamgazer]

TSA_383 wrote...

Also probably worth noting is that your ruined armour that can be unlocked and used in-game has a hole in the leg, although that doesn't preclude it being from an old version of the ending.

Wait, what's this now?

[BatmanTurian]

if this leak is legit, this is big .

[Auralius Carolus]

Boradam wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


Can't get a clear outline, outside of a silhouette that's too vague to concrete say either way ... but it looks like the Carnifex.

Nah, I think I see the Predator's white upon a second viewing.

Carnifex: 



Predator(?):

I am not positive if the second screen cap is a Predator or not from that angle, but the main difference I'm looking at between the two guns is the Carnifex has one large barrel but the Predator has two. I cannot make out if it is two barrels on the Predator from that angle, so I'll leave it to you guys.

That's a Carnifex type heavy pistol, in both 1 & 2.



Note that the Predator's blocky and dark grey barrel assembly. Now look at those pictures and you'll see a smooth light grey overlay on the upper half of the Carnifex.

However, there does appear to be a shift to the Predator at the very end, visible from Shepard's six-o'clock.

[balance5050]

 Here's the combination of pics that I found illustartes it the best so far.


 
 


   

Modifié par balance5050, 16 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[Auralius Carolus]

Alright, just dropping this for those in the know:

As we have seen, Bioware has used many different references, (such as The Matrix), in Mass Effect 3's main lore. Does anyone know of any dream based movies that hold parallels to Shepard's nightmares? While there is certainly both narrative and parapsychological foundation already there, a pre-existing platform would be useful.

I came across this notion, (which is simple, admittedly), after noting the presence of Freddy Krueger in Mortal Kombat (2011) DLC. Although I know Freddy is supposed to attack people in their dreams, I honestly have never watched any of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies to comment further.