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[paxxton]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Ok, you may be right there. An inoperable Crucible is just as devastating to the Alliance as a distraction and waste of resources as an actual indoctrination super weapon. However, from a purely dramatic standpoint, it could be an exciting race against time if Shepard discovers that the Crucible will do something terrible when activated and has to desperately try to stop it. Although he does have plenty of other things to worry about.

I and several other people have posted this idea in a few other threads, but I think the necessary miracle could come about because of the possible mental battle between Harbinger and Shepard after being hit by the beam. 

If Shep realises that he's experiencing an illusion, he might be able to fight his way out, in the way a soldier could understand, against some nightmarish avatar of Harbinger. If he's successful, it could weaken Harbinger the same way Sovereign was incapacitated in ME1 by Saren's death. This would have the added bonus of giving us a satisfying boss fight or fights in a new and weird environment.

A weakened Harbinger might lose telepathic control of the other Reapers, which as Arian Dynas suggested could be his indoctrinated subordinates. Once the Reapers are free they might break into pro and anti Harbinger factions and engage in civil war, tipping the balance in favour of the Alliance.

EDIT: sorry about the formatting, I can't get the hang of breaking up someone else's post to address individual points.

Two codex entries speak against both the idea of a mental feedback overload and the Indoctrinated Reaper theory:

First the mental feedback thing similar to Sovereign:

"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The
feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's
shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw.
"

Not that we really needed a codex to tell us this since Harbinger does alot of "assuming direct control" without any signs of a backlash effect apparent in ME2. Off course we cant see him, but if he was backlashed and lost control every tiem we destroyed his controlled Collector I doubt he would continue.

As for the Indoctrinated Reaper part, here is bit on indoctrination side effects:

"Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years."

Well, admittedly, the idea that the reapers are "indoctrinated" by Harbinger had not occured to me, but in a way it does make sense, otherwise, I am quite certain that 95% of the races he "ascends" would happily blow him to hell in revenge. Possibly even each other. And that paticular bit from the codex felt suspiciously like forshadowing, from my point of veiw. And more to the point, it's not exactly the same, Saren was feedback from his death, this would be, well refusual, which could potentially be even more shocking.

Does genetic paste used as a building material has memories, feelings or think? Does cement think?

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 12:59 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Ok, you may be right there. An inoperable Crucible is just as devastating to the Alliance as a distraction and waste of resources as an actual indoctrination super weapon. However, from a purely dramatic standpoint, it could be an exciting race against time if Shepard discovers that the Crucible will do something terrible when activated and has to desperately try to stop it. Although he does have plenty of other things to worry about.

I and several other people have posted this idea in a few other threads, but I think the necessary miracle could come about because of the possible mental battle between Harbinger and Shepard after being hit by the beam. 

If Shep realises that he's experiencing an illusion, he might be able to fight his way out, in the way a soldier could understand, against some nightmarish avatar of Harbinger. If he's successful, it could weaken Harbinger the same way Sovereign was incapacitated in ME1 by Saren's death. This would have the added bonus of giving us a satisfying boss fight or fights in a new and weird environment.

A weakened Harbinger might lose telepathic control of the other Reapers, which as Arian Dynas suggested could be his indoctrinated subordinates. Once the Reapers are free they might break into pro and anti Harbinger factions and engage in civil war, tipping the balance in favour of the Alliance.

EDIT: sorry about the formatting, I can't get the hang of breaking up someone else's post to address individual points.

Two codex entries speak against both the idea of a mental feedback overload and the Indoctrinated Reaper theory:

First the mental feedback thing similar to Sovereign:

"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The
feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's
shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw.
"

Not that we really needed a codex to tell us this since Harbinger does alot of "assuming direct control" without any signs of a backlash effect apparent in ME2. Off course we cant see him, but if he was backlashed and lost control every tiem we destroyed his controlled Collector I doubt he would continue.

As for the Indoctrinated Reaper part, here is bit on indoctrination side effects:

"Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years."

Well, admittedly, the idea that the reapers are "indoctrinated" by Harbinger had not occured to me, but in a way it does make sense, otherwise, I am quite certain that 95% of the races he "ascends" would happily blow him to hell in revenge. Possibly even each other. And that paticular bit from the codex felt suspiciously like forshadowing, from my point of veiw. And more to the point, it's not exactly the same, Saren was feedback from his death, this would be, well refusual, which could potentially be even more shocking.

More likely the races he ascend losses any old memories in the process of beeing created, i mena its not like they use any complete brains for what we know. Likely it is all in the programming or some other part of it that makes it like the Reapers...

Also if they were Indoctrinated it would not magically seize working just because Harbinger is taken downn <_<

[Corik]

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Ok, you may be right there. An inoperable Crucible is just as devastating to the Alliance as a distraction and waste of resources as an actual indoctrination super weapon. However, from a purely dramatic standpoint, it could be an exciting race against time if Shepard discovers that the Crucible will do something terrible when activated and has to desperately try to stop it. Although he does have plenty of other things to worry about.

I and several other people have posted this idea in a few other threads, but I think the necessary miracle could come about because of the possible mental battle between Harbinger and Shepard after being hit by the beam. 

If Shep realises that he's experiencing an illusion, he might be able to fight his way out, in the way a soldier could understand, against some nightmarish avatar of Harbinger. If he's successful, it could weaken Harbinger the same way Sovereign was incapacitated in ME1 by Saren's death. This would have the added bonus of giving us a satisfying boss fight or fights in a new and weird environment.

A weakened Harbinger might lose telepathic control of the other Reapers, which as Arian Dynas suggested could be his indoctrinated subordinates. Once the Reapers are free they might break into pro and anti Harbinger factions and engage in civil war, tipping the balance in favour of the Alliance.

EDIT: sorry about the formatting, I can't get the hang of breaking up someone else's post to address individual points.

Two codex entries speak against both the idea of a mental feedback overload and the Indoctrinated Reaper theory:

First the mental feedback thing similar to Sovereign:

"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The
feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's
shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw.
"

Not that we really needed a codex to tell us this since Harbinger does alot of "assuming direct control" without any signs of a backlash effect apparent in ME2. Off course we cant see him, but if he was backlashed and lost control every tiem we destroyed his controlled Collector I doubt he would continue.

As for the Indoctrinated Reaper part, here is bit on indoctrination side effects:

"Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years."

Well, admittedly, the idea that the reapers are "indoctrinated" by Harbinger had not occured to me, but in a way it does make sense, otherwise, I am quite certain that 95% of the races he "ascends" would happily blow him to hell in revenge. Possibly even each other. And that paticular bit from the codex felt suspiciously like forshadowing, from my point of veiw. And more to the point, it's not exactly the same, Saren was feedback from his death, this would be, well refusual, which could potentially be even more shocking.

Does genetic paste used as a building material has memories, feelings or think? Does cement think?

I have to agree with this. Genetic material is just a building material.

[Arian Dynas]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Ok, you may be right there. An inoperable Crucible is just as devastating to the Alliance as a distraction and waste of resources as an actual indoctrination super weapon. However, from a purely dramatic standpoint, it could be an exciting race against time if Shepard discovers that the Crucible will do something terrible when activated and has to desperately try to stop it. Although he does have plenty of other things to worry about.

I and several other people have posted this idea in a few other threads, but I think the necessary miracle could come about because of the possible mental battle between Harbinger and Shepard after being hit by the beam. 

If Shep realises that he's experiencing an illusion, he might be able to fight his way out, in the way a soldier could understand, against some nightmarish avatar of Harbinger. If he's successful, it could weaken Harbinger the same way Sovereign was incapacitated in ME1 by Saren's death. This would have the added bonus of giving us a satisfying boss fight or fights in a new and weird environment.

A weakened Harbinger might lose telepathic control of the other Reapers, which as Arian Dynas suggested could be his indoctrinated subordinates. Once the Reapers are free they might break into pro and anti Harbinger factions and engage in civil war, tipping the balance in favour of the Alliance.

EDIT: sorry about the formatting, I can't get the hang of breaking up someone else's post to address individual points.

Two codex entries speak against both the idea of a mental feedback overload and the Indoctrinated Reaper theory:

First the mental feedback thing similar to Sovereign:

"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The
feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's
shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw.
"

Not that we really needed a codex to tell us this since Harbinger does alot of "assuming direct control" without any signs of a backlash effect apparent in ME2. Off course we cant see him, but if he was backlashed and lost control every tiem we destroyed his controlled Collector I doubt he would continue.

As for the Indoctrinated Reaper part, here is bit on indoctrination side effects:

"Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years."

Well, admittedly, the idea that the reapers are "indoctrinated" by Harbinger had not occured to me, but in a way it does make sense, otherwise, I am quite certain that 95% of the races he "ascends" would happily blow him to hell in revenge. Possibly even each other. And that paticular bit from the codex felt suspiciously like forshadowing, from my point of veiw. And more to the point, it's not exactly the same, Saren was feedback from his death, this would be, well refusual, which could potentially be even more shocking.

More likely the races he ascend losses any old memories in the process of beeing created, i mena its not like they use any complete brains for what we know. Likely it is all in the programming or some other part of it that makes it like the Reapers...

Also if they were Indoctrinated it would not magically seize working just because Harbinger is taken downn <_<

I doubt that, since they have a rather absurd (almost Illithid for you D&D nerds out there) focus on brains, as we discussed in the previous thread, I still remain of the opinion they "map" synaptic pathways into the core of the Reaper brain.Otherwise how would it be "A nation" if it is not made of may minds? You will also notice even Harbinger refers to itself in the plural "We are Harbinger"

How would we know? We've never killed the uncontested leader of the Reapers before.

[Eryri]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...




Two codex entries speak against both the idea of a mental feedback overload and the Indoctrinated Reaper theory:

First the mental feedback thing similar to Sovereign:

"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The
feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's
shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw.
"

Not that we really needed a codex to tell us this since Harbinger does alot of "assuming direct control" without any signs of a backlash effect apparent in ME2. Off course we cant see him, but if he was backlashed and lost control every tiem we destroyed his controlled Collector I doubt he would continue.

As for the Indoctrinated Reaper part, here is bit on indoctrination side effects:

"Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years."

True. But the Codex also states that Harbinger is believed to be the oldest reaper. If he is some sort of prototype, then he might have the same flaw that was built into Sovereign, which was later corrected in the newer models.

Also I think we could be forgiven for using a bit of artistic (please don't hate me for using that word) license with indoctrination regarding the other reapers. It wouldn't be indoctrination so much as a permanent programming feature written into them while they were being built that allows a paranoid, control-freak like Harbinger a back door into the minds of his creations.

That way he could check they weren't getting ideas about usurping him while still giving them the illusion of free will, so they could all fondly imagine that they were all "each a nation" while actually just being extensions of Harbinger's will. 

Get your ass out of this thread and go write a novel, you're wasted here. 

I like this idea a great deal, and it seems to fit fairly well, considering what we do know of the Harbinger.

Thanks Arian. That's very nice of you to say.  I've not actually done any creative writing since I was in high school which is an increasingly frightening number of years ago.

[Corik]

Both of you guys have very good reasons for your ideas. However, if a species maintain their collective mind when turned into a reaper... that would be... weird to say the least. I mean... after being harvested, killed and destroyed by the reapers... they willingly accept them?

I'm pretty sure the old species memory is completely erased. Maybe the new reaper's synapses are different based on the species they come from... But there's nothing more to it. Can't be. I don't know... xD

[Arian Dynas]

Hence why the idea that Harbinger maintains control is a strong possibility,

But really, in the end we won't settle this argument, simply because we don't have enough information. Unless we can ask the writers or interveiw Harbinger, we won't be finding out any time soon either, so it's probably better to just let this one rest until we know more.

Really if they weren't both plausible ideas we wouldn't be split down the middle like we are right now.

[Arian Dynas]

Anyway, I gotta sleep, night gentlemen.

[dreamgazer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anyway, I gotta sleep, night gentlemen.

Adieu.  I enjoyed your work, sir.

[olshi]

Hello again. IMO the IT has some very compelling arguments, but most of the evidence can be interpreted in different ways. For example, the boy from the intro could just be a boy. And because Shepard couldn't save him, he haunts her in her dreams. The pistol with infinite ammo after Shepard gets hit by Harbinger's beam could just be a gameplay decision. The blur effects in the background could be explained by Shepard being injured. And the breath scene after the Destroy ending could just be a silly bonus, and it could be citadel rubble.

But there is one piece of evidence, that sticks out for me. It might not prove IT 100%, but it shows at least that something is wrong here. I'm talking about the creepy bodies behind the makos after Shepard gets hit by the beam.
http://3.bp.blogspot...s1600/lugK7.jpg

How do Anti-ITers explain them?

Modifié par olshi, 05 juin 2012 - 01:36 .

[Corik]

olshi wrote...

Hello again. IMO the IT has some very compelling arguments, but most of the evidence can be interpreted in different ways. For example, the boy from the intro could just be a boy. And because Shepard couldn't save him, he haunts her in her dreams. The pistol with infinite ammo after Shepard gets hit by Harbinger's beam could just be a gameplay decision. The blur effects in the background could be explained by Shepard being injured. And the breath scene after the Destroy ending could just be a silly bonus, and it could be citadel rubble.

But there is one piece of evidence, that sticks out for me. It might not prove IT 100%, but it shows at least that something is wrong here. I'm talking about the creepy bodies behind the makos after Shepard gets hit by the beam.
http://3.bp.blogspot...s1600/lugK7.jpg

How do Anti-ITers explain them?

I guess they say they are just bodies. They also say that Bioware is lazy and they just copy paste models.

[dreamgazer]

Only ratcheted through Priority: Mars last night, so I don't have anything really to contribute.

All I can say is this: for an unassisted kid looking in the eye of a Reaper at the beginning of the game, with the red light coating his wide-eyed face, he's awfully ... calm. And if you can accuse Mass Effect of anything, it's overacting well before underacting.

I still hold my position that his lines of dialogue are calculated and quasi-prophetic and that he's found his way into the white space around Shepard, instead of existing as merely a poorly-written, emotionless, unintentionally invisible child. To what end? Uncertain.

[Corik]

dreamgazer wrote...

Only ratcheted through Priority: Mars last night, so I don't have anything really to contribute.

All I can say is this: for an unassisted kid looking in the eye of a Reaper at the beginning of the game, with the red light coating his wide-eyed face, he's awfully ... calm. And if you can accuse Mass Effect of anything, it's overacting well before underacting.

I still hold my position that his lines of dialogue are calculated and quasi-prophetic and that he's found his way into the white space around Shepard, instead of existing as merely a poorly-written, emotionless, unintentionally invisible child. To what end? Uncertain.

The Illusive Boy, screwing minds since 3-6-12.

I hate that kid. I'm 99.9999999999% sure he's just Harby messing with Shepard's mind.

[Big G13]

Corik wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Ok, you may be right there. An inoperable Crucible is just as devastating to the Alliance as a distraction and waste of resources as an actual indoctrination super weapon. However, from a purely dramatic standpoint, it could be an exciting race against time if Shepard discovers that the Crucible will do something terrible when activated and has to desperately try to stop it. Although he does have plenty of other things to worry about.

I and several other people have posted this idea in a few other threads, but I think the necessary miracle could come about because of the possible mental battle between Harbinger and Shepard after being hit by the beam. 

If Shep realises that he's experiencing an illusion, he might be able to fight his way out, in the way a soldier could understand, against some nightmarish avatar of Harbinger. If he's successful, it could weaken Harbinger the same way Sovereign was incapacitated in ME1 by Saren's death. This would have the added bonus of giving us a satisfying boss fight or fights in a new and weird environment.

A weakened Harbinger might lose telepathic control of the other Reapers, which as Arian Dynas suggested could be his indoctrinated subordinates. Once the Reapers are free they might break into pro and anti Harbinger factions and engage in civil war, tipping the balance in favour of the Alliance.

EDIT: sorry about the formatting, I can't get the hang of breaking up someone else's post to address individual points.

Two codex entries speak against both the idea of a mental feedback overload and the Indoctrinated Reaper theory:

First the mental feedback thing similar to Sovereign:

"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The
feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's
shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw.
"

Not that we really needed a codex to tell us this since Harbinger does alot of "assuming direct control" without any signs of a backlash effect apparent in ME2. Off course we cant see him, but if he was backlashed and lost control every tiem we destroyed his controlled Collector I doubt he would continue.

As for the Indoctrinated Reaper part, here is bit on indoctrination side effects:

"Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years."

Well, admittedly, the idea that the reapers are "indoctrinated" by Harbinger had not occured to me, but in a way it does make sense, otherwise, I am quite certain that 95% of the races he "ascends" would happily blow him to hell in revenge. Possibly even each other. And that paticular bit from the codex felt suspiciously like forshadowing, from my point of veiw. And more to the point, it's not exactly the same, Saren was feedback from his death, this would be, well refusual, which could potentially be even more shocking.

Does genetic paste used as a building material has memories, feelings or think? Does cement think?

I have to agree with this. Genetic material is just a building material.

Your probably right about that. But before we can know for sure, we have to know what those nanides that melt down organic material do. If they copy genetic information on a cellular level as they melt down organics then the species may be stored, recombined, redirected, repurposed, in ways that we can not comprehend. And the more perfectly that material is copied, the more likely consciousness still exists in some higher form. And thus, the more likely some degree of on going control of each Reaper is necessary. And therefore, the more likely a reaper civil war if we can find a way to break that control. 
Either that, or we just blow them up with some big f***** gun.:happy:

Modifié par Big G13, 05 juin 2012 - 01:46 .

[TSA_383]

[dreamgazer]

TSA_383 wrote...

"It's a schooner".

What am I looking at here?

[dreamgazer]

Corik wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Only ratcheted through Priority: Mars last night, so I don't have anything really to contribute.

All I can say is this: for an unassisted kid looking in the eye of a Reaper at the beginning of the game, with the red light coating his wide-eyed face, he's awfully ... calm. And if you can accuse Mass Effect of anything, it's overacting well before underacting.

I still hold my position that his lines of dialogue are calculated and quasi-prophetic and that he's found his way into the white space around Shepard, instead of existing as merely a poorly-written, emotionless, unintentionally invisible child. To what end? Uncertain.

The Illusive Boy, screwing minds since 3-6-12.

I hate that kid. I'm 99.9999999999% sure he's just Harby messing with Shepard's mind.

I'm simply having a hard time getting these two out of my mind when I think of the child: 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 05 juin 2012 - 01:55 .

[Big G13]

[quote]TSA_383 wrote...

O.K. NOW i'm indoctrinated:blink:
EDIT: someday someone has to tell me how to that 'snip' thing right.

Modifié par Big G13, 05 juin 2012 - 02:02 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

olshi wrote...

Hello again. IMO the IT has some very compelling arguments, but most of the evidence can be interpreted in different ways. For example, the boy from the intro could just be a boy. And because Shepard couldn't save him, he haunts her in her dreams. The pistol with infinite ammo after Shepard gets hit by Harbinger's beam could just be a gameplay decision. The blur effects in the background could be explained by Shepard being injured. And the breath scene after the Destroy ending could just be a silly bonus, and it could be citadel rubble.

But there is one piece of evidence, that sticks out for me. It might not prove IT 100%, but it shows at least that something is wrong here. I'm talking about the creepy bodies behind the makos after Shepard gets hit by the beam.
http://3.bp.blogspot...s1600/lugK7.jpg

How do Anti-ITers explain them?

I sure hate that answer because its not an explaination at all. Its just criticism.

[Eryri]

Big G13 wrote...

Corik wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Ok, you may be right there. An inoperable Crucible is just as devastating to the Alliance as a distraction and waste of resources as an actual indoctrination super weapon. However, from a purely dramatic standpoint, it could be an exciting race against time if Shepard discovers that the Crucible will do something terrible when activated and has to desperately try to stop it. Although he does have plenty of other things to worry about.

I and several other people have posted this idea in a few other threads, but I think the necessary miracle could come about because of the possible mental battle between Harbinger and Shepard after being hit by the beam. 

If Shep realises that he's experiencing an illusion, he might be able to fight his way out, in the way a soldier could understand, against some nightmarish avatar of Harbinger. If he's successful, it could weaken Harbinger the same way Sovereign was incapacitated in ME1 by Saren's death. This would have the added bonus of giving us a satisfying boss fight or fights in a new and weird environment.

A weakened Harbinger might lose telepathic control of the other Reapers, which as Arian Dynas suggested could be his indoctrinated subordinates. Once the Reapers are free they might break into pro and anti Harbinger factions and engage in civil war, tipping the balance in favour of the Alliance.

EDIT: sorry about the formatting, I can't get the hang of breaking up someone else's post to address individual points.

Two codex entries speak against both the idea of a mental feedback overload and the Indoctrinated Reaper theory:

First the mental feedback thing similar to Sovereign:

"Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The
feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's
shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw.
"

Not that we really needed a codex to tell us this since Harbinger does alot of "assuming direct control" without any signs of a backlash effect apparent in ME2. Off course we cant see him, but if he was backlashed and lost control every tiem we destroyed his controlled Collector I doubt he would continue.

As for the Indoctrinated Reaper part, here is bit on indoctrination side effects:

"Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years."

Well, admittedly, the idea that the reapers are "indoctrinated" by Harbinger had not occured to me, but in a way it does make sense, otherwise, I am quite certain that 95% of the races he "ascends" would happily blow him to hell in revenge. Possibly even each other. And that paticular bit from the codex felt suspiciously like forshadowing, from my point of veiw. And more to the point, it's not exactly the same, Saren was feedback from his death, this would be, well refusual, which could potentially be even more shocking.

Does genetic paste used as a building material has memories, feelings or think? Does cement think?

I have to agree with this. Genetic material is just a building material.

Your probably right about that. But before we can know for sure, we have to know what those nanides that melt down organic material do. If they copy genetic information on a cellular level as they melt down organics then the species may be stored, recombined, redirected, repurposed, in ways that we can not comprehend. And the more perfectly that material is copied, the more likely consciousness still exists in some higher form. And thus, the more likely some degree of on going control of each Reaper is necessary. And therefore, the more likely a reaper civil war if we can find a way to break that control. 
Either that, or we just blow them up with some big f***** gun.:happy:

He-he. Either way would be miles better than the current ending. 

I realise that there are some plot holes with the whole "liberate the Reapers and pit them against each other idea". I just think it's a (potentially) believable, and exciting way for Shepard and the alliance to gain the upper hand without relying on the Crucible as a magic bullet.

I always thought the way the Crucible plans just turned up at the beginning of the game, a bit too convenient. And the fact that they have supposedly survived for countless cycles and been incrementally improved despite no-one knowing exactly what it was going to do, or how it was going to do it, stretched credibility even further. I would find it much more satisfying if it turned out to be a Reaper trap, and we found some other way to defeat them. Preferably one involving some sort of kick-ass, epic boss battle. I'm a sucker for that sort of thing.

Oh well, time and the EC will tell.

[GethPrimeMKII]

With any luck we'll have EC before the end of July. I can only hope.

[Corik]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

With any luck we'll have EC before the end of July. I can only hope.

I hope they don't screw my birthday (July 27) with a poor and bad EC...

[Big G13]

[quote]Eryri wrote...

[quote]Big G13 wrote...

[quote]Corik wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

[quote]Eryri wrote...


[/quote]
Does genetic paste used as a building material has memories, feelings or think? Does cement think?[/quote]

I have to agree with this. Genetic material is just a building material.

[/quote]Your probably right about that. But before we can know for sure, we have to know what those nanides that melt down organic material do. If they copy genetic information on a cellular level as they melt down organics then the species may be stored, recombined, redirected, repurposed, in ways that we can not comprehend. And the more perfectly that material is copied, the more likely consciousness still exists in some higher form. And thus, the more likely some degree of on going control of each Reaper is necessary. And therefore, the more likely a reaper civil war if we can find a way to break that control. 
Either that, or we just blow them up with some big f***** gun.:happy:[/quote]

He-he. Either way would be miles better than the current ending. 

I realise that there are some plot holes with the whole "liberate the Reapers and pit them against each other idea". I just think it's a (potentially) believable, and exciting way for Shepard and the alliance to gain the upper hand without relying on the Crucible as a magic bullet.

I always thought the way the Crucible plans just turned up at the beginning of the game, a bit too convenient. And the fact that they have supposedly survived for countless cycles and been incrementally improved despite no-one knowing exactly what it was going to do, or how it was going to do it, stretched credibility even further. I would find it much more satisfying if it turned out to be a Reaper trap, and we found some other way to defeat them. Preferably one involving some sort of kick-ass, epic boss battle. I'm a sucker for that sort of thing.

Oh well, time and the EC will tell.



[/quote] I think it's a great idea. I didn't even think of any of that "copy genetic code" stuff until reading your "Reaper civil war" stuff.

[Dwailing]

Corik wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

With any luck we'll have EC before the end of July. I can only hope.

I hope they don't screw my birthday (July 27) with a poor and bad EC...

Have a little faith.  This is Bioware we're talking about here.  If anyone could pull this off, it's them.

Edit: Also, I'm watching the extended demo of Black Ops 2, and I actually think I might buy this one.  It actually looks kind of cool.

Edit: Also, I think the Treyarch rep in the trailer might have just taken a shot at Battlefield 3's airplane sequence when he said that they're actually going to have you flying the plane in the game instead of just shooting the guns.

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[Corik]

Dwailing wrote...

Corik wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

With any luck we'll have EC before the end of July. I can only hope.

I hope they don't screw my birthday (July 27) with a poor and bad EC...

Have a little faith.  This is Bioware we're talking about here.  If anyone could pull this off, it's them.

Edit: Also, I'm watching the extended demo of Black Ops 2, and I actually think I might buy this one.  It actually looks kind of cool.

/AndersonModeON

Exactly

/AndersonModeOFF