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[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Then a few seconds later, a logical explanation was revealed.

To answer your question, I'll refer to the audio files on the disk that have dialog between Anderson and Joker arriving on earth "just in time." There are also files of Shepard yelling go get out of here in that same package. This can be heard in the deleted scene of garrus and liara getting hit by the reaper beam.

Bioware cut out the part where joker picks them up if they survive. Why? I have no idea.

If you think any of Shepard's friends are actually going to follow an order she gives to just run away and leave her alone, you must not know them very well.

They're not going to leave just to save themselves. They all knew what they were getting into when they signed up with Shepard. Even if Hackett or Anderson orders them to leave, its not like it matters. Only Vega and Joker are really even required to follow their orders.

Ash/Kaidan is a Spectre, and dont have to follow anyone's orders.

Liara isnt even in any form of military, so you cant even make the argument that Hackett is commanding all the fleets, and thus has power to order her to leave.

Tali is an Admiral (or exiled, and hence not technically part of the Migrant Fleet), so Hackett can't make her do what he says either.

Garrus doesnt play by rules. He isnt going to abandon a friend, period.

EDI is an AI. Her even existing is illegal, I doubt disobeying a direct order is going to get her any more in trouble than simply existing would. Plus, if EDI stays, you can bet Joker is going to stay too, orders be damned.

James is a Shepard fanboy, he isnt going to leave her to die, no matter what Hackett or Anderson say.

Javik is a prothean. Nobody tells him what to do.

[SubAstris]

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, I havent been able to put my finger on the Synthesis ending. I believe that in Control, Shepard is submitting to becoming the consciousness for the upcoming Human Reaper. But Synthesis is just him agreeing to the concept of organics being melted down into Reaper building material. So why would that be Starbinger's preferred outcome? There has to be something we're not seeing. 

Yeah, IT ain't real lol

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I really want to know the situational parameters in which BioWare gives us the bird.

*rimshot*

This is really, really peculiar.

I think it's fairly clear the birds are always there, and that they are just randomly placed somewhere in the sky. The only time we have no opportunity to see the birds is during the bad destroy ending, because we dont get past the door opening. Though in that ending, we have that creepy volume echo thing applied to the bird sounds. I wish I could figure out what that means. 

A long time ago, in a page far far away, TSA uploaded the six different sound backgrounds (cleared up) for that scene. In my opinion, during the bad destroy ending, it is marching sounds in it. Don't have the link anymore, but maybe when TSA pays us a visit, he might.

I remember. I still have the files saved. I wasnt too clear on the marching sounds, to be honest. I did find it curious how many layers the "Shepdead" ending had to it. That just expands the level of creepiness, in my opinion...

[Tiberis]

I'm almost near the end in another playthrough and during the last on-Normandy dialogue scene with EDI where she talks about the prisoners giving fake intel to the Reapers (the dialogue after Horizon). After choosing the renegade option, EDI mentions indoctrination should have reduced rebellions to almost none. Shepard then replies: "Maybe word got out on how indoctrination worked. And they made a decision.

One of the big parts of IT is that the citadel crap after getting to the beam is all an elaborate trick to finally get Shepard to submit to indoctrination. It all depends on the right decision. I was never big on IT, but after hearing this from Shepard. . . Well, the evidence is piling up and I'm finding it harder to argue against IT.

[Rosewind]

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, I havent been able to put my finger on the Synthesis ending. I believe that in Control, Shepard is submitting to becoming the consciousness for the upcoming Human Reaper. But Synthesis is just him agreeing to the concept of organics being melted down into Reaper building material. So why would that be Starbinger's preferred outcome? There has to be something we're not seeing. 

Yeah, IT ain't real lol

Oh oh it stings it BURNS!!!!

[byne]

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I'll wait to put it in my sig until you can do one with BroShep.

might have to google some pic of him, unless some one can get me a decent one similar to that pic in the sig just want mainly the eyes

Nah, dont make a maleshep one. He is far inferior and does not deserve such an honor.

Also, we wouldnt want you to compromise your artistic integrity by making any additional sigs, or changing the current one.

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I'll wait to put it in my sig until you can do one with BroShep.

might have to google some pic of him, unless some one can get me a decent one similar to that pic in the sig just want mainly the eyes

Nah, dont make a maleshep one. He is far inferior and does not deserve such an honor.

Also, we wouldnt want you to compromise your artistic integrity by making any additional sigs, or changing the current one.

OH snap.

[HellishFiend]

Tiberis wrote...

I'm almost near the end in another playthrough and during the last on-Normandy dialogue scene with EDI where she talks about the prisoners giving fake intel to the Reapers (the dialogue after Horizon). After choosing the renegade option, EDI mentions indoctrination should have reduced rebellions to almost none. Shepard then replies: "Maybe word got out on how indoctrination worked. And they made a decision.

One of the big parts of IT is that the citadel crap after getting to the beam is all an elaborate trick to finally get Shepard to submit to indoctrination. It all depends on the right decision. I was never big on IT, but after hearing this from Shepard. . . Well, the evidence is piling up and I'm finding it harder to argue against IT.

There arent many strong arguments against IT, to be honest. Thats one of the reasons I choose to continue to believe it. There are too many things that anti-IT can only dismiss as mistakes or poor writing, and when every single one of those so-called mistakes can also be interpreted as a pointer to IT, it just makes sense to consider that it is intentional. 

[balance5050]

Is it just me or did it suddenly get real trolly in here?

[Rosewind]

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I'll wait to put it in my sig until you can do one with BroShep.

might have to google some pic of him, unless some one can get me a decent one similar to that pic in the sig just want mainly the eyes

Nah, dont make a maleshep one. He is far inferior and does not deserve such an honor.

Also, we wouldnt want you to compromise your artistic integrity by making any additional sigs, or changing the current one.

The way photo-shop does gifs is really simple to edit I don''t have to mess with much. not everyone want a femshep

[paxxton]

Tiberis wrote...

I'm almost near the end in another playthrough and during the last on-Normandy dialogue scene with EDI where she talks about the prisoners giving fake intel to the Reapers (the dialogue after Horizon). After choosing the renegade option, EDI mentions indoctrination should have reduced rebellions to almost none. Shepard then replies: "Maybe word got out on how indoctrination worked. And they made a decision.

One of the big parts of IT is that the citadel crap after getting to the beam is all an elaborate trick to finally get Shepard to submit to indoctrination. It all depends on the right decision. I was never big on IT, but after hearing this from Shepard. . . Well, the evidence is piling up and I'm finding it harder to argue against IT.

You are becoming indoctrinated by Indoctrination Theory.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 08:47 .

[balance5050]

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

True he does look quite solid to me there minus his feet.....

I like your new sig, Rosewind

seconded

thirded.That sig is truly awesome!

Thank you I can make an offical one for the group with male shep but need a good high res pic of sheploo and i never played a male shep or planning to

I'll wait to put it in my sig until you can do one with BroShep.

might have to google some pic of him, unless some one can get me a decent one similar to that pic in the sig just want mainly the eyes

Yeah, you should make a male Shep one, don't listen to Byne on this, he's whipped by Jennifer Hale. 

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

Nah, dont make a maleshep one. He is far inferior and does not deserve such an honor.

Also, we wouldnt want you to compromise your artistic integrity by making any additional sigs, or changing the current one.

I'd advise against starting this war...

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

Is it just me or did it suddenly get real trolly in here?

It's you.

[byne]

Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I'll wait to put it in my sig until you can do one with BroShep.

might have to google some pic of him, unless some one can get me a decent one similar to that pic in the sig just want mainly the eyes

Nah, dont make a maleshep one. He is far inferior and does not deserve such an honor.

Also, we wouldnt want you to compromise your artistic integrity by making any additional sigs, or changing the current one.

The way photo-shop does gifs is really simple to edit I don''t have to mess with much. not everyone want a femshep

Well, its like that old Rolling Stones song said, you cant always get what you want.

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

Nah, dont make a maleshep one. He is far inferior and does not deserve such an honor.

Also, we wouldnt want you to compromise your artistic integrity by making any additional sigs, or changing the current one.

I'd advise against starting this war...

If comments like that started wars in this topic, we'd already be on our 8th topic because it would keep getting locked. 

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Is it just me or did it suddenly get real trolly in here?

It's you.

Good....

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

In any case... how do literalists explain that your squadmates during London mission are in the Normandy in the end? Can't think of a bigger evidence supporting IT. Well... in fact I can.

They say this:

first time I understood "LOL It's a miracle!" xDDDDDDDDDDD

Then a few seconds later, a logical explanation was revealed.

To answer your question, I'll refer to the audio files on the disk that have dialog between Anderson and Joker arriving on earth "just in time." There are also files of Shepard yelling go get out of here in that same package. This can be heard in the deleted scene of garrus and liara getting hit by the reaper beam.

Bioware cut out the part where joker picks them up if they survive. Why? I have no idea.

If it was cut, it shouldn't be considered as part of an explanation because strictly speaking it did not happen.

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

Is that what you think? 

You know what I think?

I think you're in for quite a surprise. 

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

In any case... how do literalists explain that your squadmates during London mission are in the Normandy in the end? Can't think of a bigger evidence supporting IT. Well... in fact I can.

They say this:

first time I understood "LOL It's a miracle!" xDDDDDDDDDDD

Then a few seconds later, a logical explanation was revealed.

To answer your question, I'll refer to the audio files on the disk that have dialog between Anderson and Joker arriving on earth "just in time." There are also files of Shepard yelling go get out of here in that same package. This can be heard in the deleted scene of garrus and liara getting hit by the reaper beam.

Bioware cut out the part where joker picks them up if they survive. Why? I have no idea.

If it was cut, it shouldn't be considered as part of an explanation because strictly speaking it did not happen.

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

Not really, the VA's were back to record *new* dialogue remember?

[Lord Goose]

How does Shepard survive the citadel blast though?

Speculation again, but.

http://www.youtube.c...WqlsQjWo#t=110s

Judging from this video, Citadel isn't blown up to tiny pieces. It seems that it's petals fallen of. If Shepard was in protected room, he didn't have to fly in space to survive.

And thats the same reason I dont buy the whole "Dark Energy" thing.

The point of Dark Energy thin is to show, that Bioware didn't have clear ideas about the ending when they were writing ME2. And because they didn't have any clear idea at that time, it justifies contradictions

Also, you must admit, that Dark Energy plot relied on the ideas from ME2, which were never addressed in the ME3, such as Heastrom Sun, and unique genetic potential of humankind. And even IT would make more sense, because in one choice Shepard allows Reapers to harvest humanity, because they convince him that they're correct.


It happens.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...


Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

So they're gonna go back and add the scene where Shep helplessly watches as Harby disintegrates your squadmembers?

Cause that'll sure quell all the fan outrage.

"I get it now! Harby vaporized Liara and Garrus! Then Joker ran away like a coward! The endings all make sense now!"

[Rosewind]

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I'll wait to put it in my sig until you can do one with BroShep.

might have to google some pic of him, unless some one can get me a decent one similar to that pic in the sig just want mainly the eyes

Nah, dont make a maleshep one. He is far inferior and does not deserve such an honor.

Also, we wouldnt want you to compromise your artistic integrity by making any additional sigs, or changing the current one.

The way photo-shop does gifs is really simple to edit I don''t have to mess with much. not everyone want a femshep

Well, its like that old Rolling Stones song said, you cant always get what you want.

anyway bed time for me night all I might think about doing a squirrel face one if some one gets me a good high res pic of her lol

[dreamgazer]

Tiberis wrote...

I'm almost near the end in another playthrough and during the last on-Normandy dialogue scene with EDI where she talks about the prisoners giving fake intel to the Reapers (the dialogue after Horizon). After choosing the renegade option, EDI mentions indoctrination should have reduced rebellions to almost none. Shepard then replies: "Maybe word got out on how indoctrination worked. And they made a decision.

One of the big parts of IT is that the citadel crap after getting to the beam is all an elaborate trick to finally get Shepard to submit to indoctrination. It all depends on the right decision. I was never big on IT, but after hearing this from Shepard. . . Well, the evidence is piling up and I'm finding it harder to argue against IT.

Oooooh.  Hadn't heard that. 

The allusions and blunt-force thematic devices are frakkin' everywhere.  That's a great one.

[balance5050]

He wasn't in a "protected room" Lord Goose... he was standing on the hull....