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[HellishFiend]

Lord Goose wrote...

How does Shepard survive the citadel blast though?

Speculation again, but.

http://www.youtube.c...WqlsQjWo#t=110s

Judging from this video, Citadel isn't blown up to tiny pieces. It seems that it's petals fallen of. If Shepard was in protected room, he didn't have to fly in space to survive.

And thats the same reason I dont buy the whole "Dark Energy" thing.

The point of Dark Energy thin is to show, that Bioware didn't have clear ideas about the ending when they were writing ME2. And because they didn't have any clear idea at that time, it justifies contradictions

Also, you must admit, that Dark Energy plot relied on the ideas from ME2, which were never addressed in the ME3, such as Heastrom Sun, and unique genetic potential of humankind. And even IT would make more sense, because in one choice Shepard allows Reapers to harvest humanity, because they convince him that they're correct.


It happens.

For the sake of your own intellect, you should stop posing opinion as fact. It isnt healthy for you, and can cause problems in personal relationships. 

[Tiberis]

HellishFiend wrote...

Tiberis wrote...

I'm almost near the end in another playthrough and during the last on-Normandy dialogue scene with EDI where she talks about the prisoners giving fake intel to the Reapers (the dialogue after Horizon). After choosing the renegade option, EDI mentions indoctrination should have reduced rebellions to almost none. Shepard then replies: "Maybe word got out on how indoctrination worked. And they made a decision.

One of the big parts of IT is that the citadel crap after getting to the beam is all an elaborate trick to finally get Shepard to submit to indoctrination. It all depends on the right decision. I was never big on IT, but after hearing this from Shepard. . . Well, the evidence is piling up and I'm finding it harder to argue against IT.

There arent many strong arguments against IT, to be honest. Thats one of the reasons I choose to continue to believe it. There are too many things that anti-IT can only dismiss as mistakes or poor writing, and when every single one of those so-called mistakes can also be interpreted as a pointer to IT, it just makes sense to consider that it is intentional. 

I agree. First learning about IT I was initially enthralled by it; if only because it lessened the pain of the endings. But I quickly began to hate it because what the eff is wrong with BioWare? I pay 60-70 bucks on an incomplete game? That is complete BS! Considering I can't do anything about the money, I prefer to focus on how to fix the game. That is when I began to look more closely into the IT and the clues that support it. Honestly, there is way too much that supports the theory. Even if it wasn't intentional, it is the best route for BioWare to take.

paxxton wrote...
You are becoming indoctrinated by Indoctrination Theory. 

Indeed; it is a compelling and ideal fit for ME3 the way it is now. Took me some time to really see it's worth though.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

In any case... how do literalists explain that your squadmates during London mission are in the Normandy in the end? Can't think of a bigger evidence supporting IT. Well... in fact I can.

They say this:

first time I understood "LOL It's a miracle!" xDDDDDDDDDDD

Then a few seconds later, a logical explanation was revealed.

To answer your question, I'll refer to the audio files on the disk that have dialog between Anderson and Joker arriving on earth "just in time." There are also files of Shepard yelling go get out of here in that same package. This can be heard in the deleted scene of garrus and liara getting hit by the reaper beam.

Bioware cut out the part where joker picks them up if they survive. Why? I have no idea.

If it was cut, it shouldn't be considered as part of an explanation because strictly speaking it did not happen.

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

Not really, the VA's were back to record *new* dialogue remember?

"and finishing those that never made it in."

[GethPrimeMKII]

Lord Goose wrote...

How does Shepard survive the citadel blast though?

Speculation again, but.

http://www.youtube.c...WqlsQjWo#t=110s

Judging from this video, Citadel isn't blown up to tiny pieces. It seems that it's petals fallen of. If Shepard was in protected room, he didn't have to fly in space to survive.
 

The massive explosion would still kill anything in range though.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 05 juin 2012 - 08:59 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Lord Goose wrote...

How does Shepard survive the citadel blast though?

Speculation again, but.

http://www.youtube.c...WqlsQjWo#t=110s

Judging from this video, Citadel isn't blown up to tiny pieces. It seems that it's petals fallen of. If Shepard was in protected room, he didn't have to fly in space to survive.

But he is not in a protected area. last we saw Shepard he is standing on an exposed platform near ground zero of the explosion. The heat alone from an explosion that big will have vaporized Shepard.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

Not really, the VA's were back to record *new* dialogue remember?

"and finishing those that never made it in."

So they put an NDA on things that people already know about?

Modifié par balance5050, 05 juin 2012 - 09:01 .

[byne]

Rosewind wrote...

anyway bed time for me night all I might think about doing a squirrel face one if some one gets me a good high res pic of her lol

Nah, default femshep is awful.

I voted for awesome



I got this.



Its like BioWare was trying to teach me a lesson that even when the thing I vote for wins, it doesnt matter.

[BleedingUranium]

balance5050 wrote...

He wasn't in a "protected room" Lord Goose... he was standing on the hull....

And if the blast was enough to blow off a couple arms then I'd say there's no such thing as a "protected room" at the epicentre.

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

Directors cut? I thought we were talking about an extended cut. 

[Lord Goose]

every single one of those so-called mistakes can also be interpreted as a pointer to IT, it just makes sense to consider that it is intentional.

"No set of mutually inconsistent observations can exist for which some human intellect cannot conceive a coherent explanation, however complicated."

Crabtree Bludgeon. A foil to Occam's Razor sort of.
Where are actually numerous mistakes in ME3. For example, in Prologue your bullets are infinite before you shoot the husks. But, usually, all mistakes we discuss are linked to IT, and, natrually, anti-IT people point out that they're mistakes and glitches.

He wasn't in a "protected room" Lord Goose... he was standing on the hull....

Well, we don't exactly know where that room was, and how it was affected by blast.

[GethPrimeMKII]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

In any case... how do literalists explain that your squadmates during London mission are in the Normandy in the end? Can't think of a bigger evidence supporting IT. Well... in fact I can.

They say this:

first time I understood "LOL It's a miracle!" xDDDDDDDDDDD

Then a few seconds later, a logical explanation was revealed.

To answer your question, I'll refer to the audio files on the disk that have dialog between Anderson and Joker arriving on earth "just in time." There are also files of Shepard yelling go get out of here in that same package. This can be heard in the deleted scene of garrus and liara getting hit by the reaper beam.

Bioware cut out the part where joker picks them up if they survive. Why? I have no idea.

If it was cut, it shouldn't be considered as part of an explanation because strictly speaking it did not happen.

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

Not really, the VA's were back to record *new* dialogue remember?

"and finishing those that never made it in."

"Things that never made it in" can just as easily be interpreted the other way. Things that can further clarify IT for those who completely missed it.

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

anyway bed time for me night all I might think about doing a squirrel face one if some one gets me a good high res pic of her lol

Nah, default femshep is awful.

I voted for awesome


I got this.

Its like BioWare was trying to teach me a lesson that even when the thing I vote for wins, it doesnt matter.

I dont get it. They look the same to me. Besides, you picked the most biased screenshots possible when citing examples. Even the most beautiful individual can look ugly with the wrong facial expression. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 05 juin 2012 - 09:02 .

[Boradam]

Dwailing wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Rain_JDS wrote...
Huh.. I can see Javik pretty well in this picture.. Or what are you talking about?

Look at this video.

It happens in a split second when the camera snaps away from Joker/EDI hugging, but there's a fourth character in scene that walks behind a bush as the third steps out of the Normandy. You need to be looking in the right place at the right time. And I can say without a doubt that it's a Turian, and not Garrus since he's stepping off the ship.

What are you talking about?  There's no one HOLY ****!!!!!

There is a fourth character, it's been confirmed it's just a random squadmate a long, long time ago.

EDIT: Whoops, late post, just got back and hit sumbit accidently.

Modifié par Boradam, 05 juin 2012 - 09:03 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

So they're gonna go back and add the scene where Shep helplessly watches as Harby disintegrates your squadmembers?

Cause that'll sure quell all the fan outrage.

"I get it now! Harby vaporized Liara and Garrus! Then Joker ran away like a coward! The endings all make sense now!"

As opposed to the bodies lying in front of you while joker runs away anyway? If bioware wanted us to fel what shepard is going through, seeing them die as opposed to discovering their dead bodies and passing them by like nothing happened would generate a much better effect.

Also, I'd rather see how the crew gets off the planet as opposed to them vanishing. That part is on the disc. Just the audio though.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

anyway bed time for me night all I might think about doing a squirrel face one if some one gets me a good high res pic of her lol

Nah, default femshep is awful.

I voted for awesome


I got this.

Its like BioWare was trying to teach me a lesson that even when the thing I vote for wins, it doesnt matter.

I dont get it. They look the same to me. Besides, you picked the worst possible screenshot when citing an example. Even the most beautiful individual can look ugly with the wrong facial expression. 

Find me a picture of default femshep looking beautiful.

I'll wait.

[EpyonX3]

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

Directors cut? I thought we were talking about an extended cut. 

A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

anyway bed time for me night all I might think about doing a squirrel face one if some one gets me a good high res pic of her lol

Nah, default femshep is awful.

I voted for awesome



I got this.



Its like BioWare was trying to teach me a lesson that even when the thing I vote for wins, it doesnt matter.

I don't think in-game FemShep is as bad as you do, but I'd definitely play as either of the top FemSheps

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 juin 2012 - 09:05 .

[balance5050]

Lord Goose wrote...
 

He wasn't in a "protected room" Lord Goose... he was standing on the hull....

Well, we don't exactly know where that room was, and how it was affected by blast.

WTF? You saw where it was when you were talking with the catalyst remember? You weren't "inside" anything, you were standing outside on the hull.

Modifié par balance5050, 05 juin 2012 - 09:05 .

[MaximizedAction]

Boradam wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Rain_JDS wrote...
Huh.. I can see Javik pretty well in this picture.. Or what are you talking about?

Look at this video.

It happens in a split second when the camera snaps away from Joker/EDI hugging, but there's a fourth character in scene that walks behind a bush as the third steps out of the Normandy. You need to be looking in the right place at the right time. And I can say without a doubt that it's a Turian, and not Garrus since he's stepping off the ship.

What are you talking about?  There's no one HOLY ****!!!!!

There is a fourth character, it's been confirmed it's just a random squadmate a long, long time ago.

Confirmed? What's there to confirm? Remaining there even after three patched pretty much confirms it. Other than that, the interpretation is much more interesting!

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

Find me a picture of default femshep looking beautiful.

I'll wait.

I was just making a point of your bias. Besides, I'm not interested enough in that whole situation to go around digging for screenshots. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 05 juin 2012 - 09:05 .

[Unschuld]

Boradam wrote...

There is a fourth character, it's been confirmed it's just a random squadmate a long, long time ago.

EDIT: Whoops, late post, just got back and hit sumbit accidently.

Yep, I already corrected myself.

[EpyonX3]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

"Things that never made it in" can just as easily be interpreted the other way. Things that can further clarify IT for those who completely missed it.

Shepard's squad ending up on the Normandy without us seeing how leads to the belief in IT. If it's explained how they got there, how does this help IT?

[GethPrimeMKII]

Is it just me or does everyone seem to favor red hair with their fem-sheps?

[Lord Goose]

But he is not in a protected area. last we saw Shepard he is standing on an exposed platform near ground zero of the explosion. The heat alone from an explosion that big will have vaporized Shepard.

http://www.youtube.c...dWqlsQjWo#t=27s

Two explosions. First one blows up the tube. Second one is after Crucible fires red energy wave.

Modifié par Lord Goose, 05 juin 2012 - 09:06 .

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ahh but what do you guys think will be in the extended cut? Read the following:

"A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings
trilogy. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those three
films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of
theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of
the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to
develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's
world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other
reasons. "

This is exactly what bioware is doing. Adding the deleted scenes back into the game and finishing those that never made it in. Those scenes will explain some of the holes that IT depends upon.

Directors cut? I thought we were talking about an extended cut. 

A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition.

I know...... another example could be "I am legend" 

With the alternate ending.