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[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Oops, I just realized I've been participating in an off-topic discussion.

I should go.

Hypocrite! 

C'mon ma, have fun it's not that bad. This thread is basically one long perpetual geek discussion, jokes, Monty Python references, off topic discussions and fangirlism will about, just as much as the speculation. They are inextricable

[dreamgazer]

Extended Cut typically covers a film that has had bits of material integrated into the narrative, yet arrives a the same destination. You're pretty much guaranteed a longer experience, as you can obviously ascertain, but the theme of the ending and the tone of the material remains intact.

Alternate Cuts can have both new material and a new ending, but they're not necessarily approved by the director. They could be studio-mandated. Extended Cuts are in the same boat. See Ridley Scott's Gladiator: he point-blank states that the extended version is NOT his intended version.

Director's Cut territory is a whole new ball game. It could mean anything, from new endings and new material to mere rearrangements in the structure of in-place content---and, in some cases, the removal of content. All depends on the *cough* artistic integrity of the director/creator.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 05 juin 2012 - 09:23 .

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Is it just me or does everyone seem to favor red hair with their fem-sheps?

Well, I just favor red hair period.

Its part of the reason why Leliana is my favorite DA:O LI



Its part of the reason why Carolina is my favorite Freelancer.

I was a bit sad watching season 9, because I knew most of the freelancers would end up dead (York & Delta are my favourite), and even sadder when I saw how pretty Carolina is. Then it turns out she's not dead!

Dont know why everyone thought Carolina was dead.

Delta's exact words:

She only functioned for a short time, and not very well while she did. Having three minds at one time proved far too... taxing.

Nothing about being dead.

Tex said it in season 5

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 juin 2012 - 09:22 .

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Oops, I just realized I've been participating in an off-topic discussion.

I should go.

Hypocrite! 

C'mon ma, have fun it's not that bad. This thread is basically one long perpetual geek discussion, jokes, Monty Python references, off topic discussions and fangirlism will about, just as much as the speculation. They are inextricable

It does make it a lot harder and more annoying to catch up with the thread in the morning, though. 

[Boradam]

Rosewind wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Is it just me or does everyone seem to favor red hair with their fem-sheps?

Only if it is blood red, and I refuse to call gingers red heads.

I find females with hair like that extremely attractive.  

Modifié par Boradam, 05 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

anyway bed time for me night all I might think about doing a squirrel face one if some one gets me a good high res pic of her lol

Nah, default femshep is awful.

I voted for awesome


I got this.

Its like BioWare was trying to teach me a lesson that even when the thing I vote for wins, it doesnt matter.

I dont get it. They look the same to me. Besides, you picked the worst possible screenshot when citing an example. Even the most beautiful individual can look ugly with the wrong facial expression. 

Find me a picture of default femshep looking beautiful.

I'll wait.

How about these:

[Lord Goose]

Yes we do. Look up, the Crucible is right above Shepards head and there is open to space all around it. He is essentially on the underside of the Citadel tower where the crucible docks and guess where the explosion originates...the Citadel tower....he is at or extremely close to ground zero.

http://www.youtube.c...dWqlsQjWo#t=27s

I was looking at this video very carefuly, and noticed that it doesn't looks like, as if the center was really ground zero of explosion.

Judging from this picture


The blast mainly affected place where petals were attached to the Citadel.

And Shepard was in the middle of both of them, there was no way back inside, the catalyst controlled the elevator that brought you up there and he dies when you shot the tube if he was telling the truth that all synthetic life would be destroyed.

First blast doesn't seems to be exceptionally powerful.
As for second one, it is possible to rely on room's protection. As you can clearly see, central part of the citadel is relatively in one piece. If it was protected, Shepard should have chance to survive.

[Rosewind]

She has weird lips

[balance5050]

Lord goose - That blast you see is the crucible exploding, that was right above your head k?

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

That's why I ask all of my questions starting with "If." I always ackonowledge that I could be wrng. It's not going to stop me from asking the question.

Also, can't the same be said about you and your thought process? You told me yesterday that in order to find clues for IT, one should have IT in mind while playing through.

Another thing I've noticed about your replies is that they rarely address what I post and are more about my beliefs in general and my intentions. I think I've made them clear numerous times. Can we please move on?

You're asking pointed questions that we have no business needing to answer. Almost every question you've asked today boils down to "What if IT is wrong?" If you want to point out your beliefs, I'm fine with that. But youre asking pointed questions, and that rubs me the wrong way. 

My question is not what if IT is wrong. It's more about how would IT fit if the plot holes are explained, which is what EC is inteneded to do? There are files on the game disc already that prove there was a scene planned to explain this. An extended cut, by definition, adds scenes that were removed for any reason.

So I find it more plausible that Bioware, choosing to call their DLC an extended cut, that this is their intention.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Oops, I just realized I've been participating in an off-topic discussion.

I should go.

Hypocrite! 

C'mon ma, have fun it's not that bad. This thread is basically one long perpetual geek discussion, jokes, Monty Python references, off topic discussions and fangirlism will about, just as much as the speculation. They are inextricable

It does make it a lot harder and more annoying to catch up with the thread in the morning, though. 

Cest'la vie. I do it. Share my pain.

[dreamgazer]

And in the time it takes to hammer something lengthy out on a tablet, it becomes obsolete in the thread. (laughs)

Modifié par dreamgazer, 05 juin 2012 - 09:30 .

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

That's why I ask all of my questions starting with "If." I always ackonowledge that I could be wrng. It's not going to stop me from asking the question.

Also, can't the same be said about you and your thought process? You told me yesterday that in order to find clues for IT, one should have IT in mind while playing through.

Another thing I've noticed about your replies is that they rarely address what I post and are more about my beliefs in general and my intentions. I think I've made them clear numerous times. Can we please move on?

You're asking pointed questions that we have no business needing to answer. Almost every question you've asked today boils down to "What if IT is wrong?" If you want to point out your beliefs, I'm fine with that. But youre asking pointed questions, and that rubs me the wrong way. 

My question is not what if IT is wrong. It's more about how would IT fit if the plot holes are explained, which is what EC is inteneded to do? There are files on the game disc already that prove there was a scene planned to explain this. An extended cut, by definition, adds scenes that were removed for any reason.

So I find it more plausible that Bioware, choosing to call their DLC an extended cut, that this is their intention.

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

[paxxton]

I've been gone for half an hour and 3 new pages come up.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[BleedingUranium]

If they did re-add the scene with your squadmates getting blasted, I could just bring EDI and James. EDI can't even die.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

Lord goose - That blast you see is the crucible exploding, that was right above your head k?

Not fighting you here, but at first I thought it came from the rings. I always wondered why the crucible would even blow up. Doesn't most of the energy come from the citadel?

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Dont know why everyone thought Carolina was dead.

Delta's exact words:

She only functioned for a short time, and not very well while she did. Having three minds at one time proved far too... taxing.

Nothing about being dead.

Tex said it in season 5

But Tex also thought they were hundreds of years in the future at that point. She thought York was alive only because of his healing unit.

Plus, you cant trust Tex. She delivers her jokes so deadpan, I thought for over a year that she actually was Agent Nevada.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Lord Goose wrote...

every single one of those so-called mistakes can also be interpreted as a pointer to IT, it just makes sense to consider that it is intentional.

"No set of mutually inconsistent observations can exist for which some human intellect cannot conceive a coherent explanation, however complicated."

Crabtree Bludgeon. A foil to Occam's Razor sort of.
Where are actually numerous mistakes in ME3. For example, in Prologue your bullets are infinite before you shoot the husks. But, usually, all mistakes we discuss are linked to IT, and, natrually, anti-IT people point out that they're mistakes and glitches.

He wasn't in a "protected room" Lord Goose... he was standing on the hull....

Well, we don't exactly know where that room was, and how it was affected by blast.

Just wanted to jump in with 2 things.
1. The infinite ammo in the beginning is a game mechanic so far as anyone can tell, a cinematic effect, so you can get teh hang of firing and reloading for the first few moments and so classes without offenive powers (soldiers when you start at level 1) can still practice shooting the climbing husks incase you used up all your ammo "practicing" before you got to that part and after the initial gun fight you DO find limited heat sink ammo for your weapons unlike the ending sequence.
I prefer to see the infinite ammo in the ending sequence as cinematic and game mechanic because if you lose all your ammo you have no way of picking the Destroy ending. It CAN stil be seen as a point for IT since if you were in a dream/hallucination you would have infinite ammo (i.e. see the Geth Consesus mission)

2. The room you refer to, what I call the Decision Chamber, takes place at the base of the Presidium Tower and the inware Sphere of the Crucible (you can see it when you look up, and tha the Crucible docks with that area, and open space between the two should be more than evident where you are, I know Epyon has suggested it takes place within the Curcible itself in the past but there's still open space you can see and you're still caught in the middle of a giant explosion).

The explosion you refer to:


This envelops the entire Presidium Ring, and seems to start at the Decision Chamber where you shot the tube. You would've had no time to get to a "protected area" or one of the Presidium arms since the force of the Tube explosion would've either knocked you out or killed you due to your injuries. Even if you managed to limp your way down to the elevator that explosion would still rip through the area below. There would literally be nothing left of Shepard if caught anywhere near this explosion. This leads me and other to believe the Breath scene takes place on Earth, it's the only way to explain the Concrete Rubble and how Shepard isn't meat and tubes or reduced to atoms. We just need to explain the presence of so many Reaper cables and we'll be able to prove it further.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

That's why I ask all of my questions starting with "If." I always ackonowledge that I could be wrng. It's not going to stop me from asking the question.

Also, can't the same be said about you and your thought process? You told me yesterday that in order to find clues for IT, one should have IT in mind while playing through.

Another thing I've noticed about your replies is that they rarely address what I post and are more about my beliefs in general and my intentions. I think I've made them clear numerous times. Can we please move on?

You're asking pointed questions that we have no business needing to answer. Almost every question you've asked today boils down to "What if IT is wrong?" If you want to point out your beliefs, I'm fine with that. But youre asking pointed questions, and that rubs me the wrong way. 

My question is not what if IT is wrong. It's more about how would IT fit if the plot holes are explained, which is what EC is inteneded to do? There are files on the game disc already that prove there was a scene planned to explain this. An extended cut, by definition, adds scenes that were removed for any reason.

So I find it more plausible that Bioware, choosing to call their DLC an extended cut, that this is their intention.

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

That's why I ask all of my questions starting with "If." I always ackonowledge that I could be wrng. It's not going to stop me from asking the question.

Also, can't the same be said about you and your thought process? You told me yesterday that in order to find clues for IT, one should have IT in mind while playing through.

Another thing I've noticed about your replies is that they rarely address what I post and are more about my beliefs in general and my intentions. I think I've made them clear numerous times. Can we please move on?

You're asking pointed questions that we have no business needing to answer. Almost every question you've asked today boils down to "What if IT is wrong?" If you want to point out your beliefs, I'm fine with that. But youre asking pointed questions, and that rubs me the wrong way. 

My question is not what if IT is wrong. It's more about how would IT fit if the plot holes are explained, which is what EC is inteneded to do? There are files on the game disc already that prove there was a scene planned to explain this. An extended cut, by definition, adds scenes that were removed for any reason.

So I find it more plausible that Bioware, choosing to call their DLC an extended cut, that this is their intention.

By any degree of the definition, you are asking pointed questions. "How would IT fit if the plot holes are explained" is contextually situated in the scenario where EC backs up the face value interpretation. Why do we need to answer a question that treats a hypothetical situation as fact? You're bypassing the very heart of the matter - what will be in the EC - and skipping straight to questions regarding what happens next if you're right.

Please, I'm sincerely asking you, choose your questions more carefully.

[Lord Goose]

That blast you see is the crucible exploding, that was right above your head k?

If you meant tube exploding, well...

http://www.youtube.c...dWqlsQjWo#t=25s

If you look at 0: 26 - 0: 30 very carefully, it looks like Shepard was not incinerated on the spot. The blast didn't even managed to make her fall off. So, I guess, it was relatively weak.

[GethPrimeMKII]

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

"Things that never made it in" can just as easily be interpreted the other way. Things that can further clarify IT for those who completely missed it.

Shepard's squad ending up on the Normandy without us seeing how leads to the belief in IT. If it's explained how they got there, how does this help IT?

Its not impossible to cut something, never to use it again. Many things were apparently cut from the final game. Even if they were going to bring some cut segments back I highly doubt the scene you're talking about would be one of them.

Why not if it clarifies the issues players have, especialy when the outcry was so loud?

Half the reason for the outcry are players who weren't paying a lick of attention to the game's story. I've met more than my fair share of players who didn't even realize indoctrination was an important part of the story.

Even if the litteral interpretation is true, there are no logical ways to explain how events got from point A to point B. Fan's will still be crying about bad writting no matter how the story is clarified from a litteral perspective.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

That's why I ask all of my questions starting with "If." I always ackonowledge that I could be wrng. It's not going to stop me from asking the question.

Also, can't the same be said about you and your thought process? You told me yesterday that in order to find clues for IT, one should have IT in mind while playing through.

Another thing I've noticed about your replies is that they rarely address what I post and are more about my beliefs in general and my intentions. I think I've made them clear numerous times. Can we please move on?

You're asking pointed questions that we have no business needing to answer. Almost every question you've asked today boils down to "What if IT is wrong?" If you want to point out your beliefs, I'm fine with that. But youre asking pointed questions, and that rubs me the wrong way. 

My question is not what if IT is wrong. It's more about how would IT fit if the plot holes are explained, which is what EC is inteneded to do? There are files on the game disc already that prove there was a scene planned to explain this. An extended cut, by definition, adds scenes that were removed for any reason.

So I find it more plausible that Bioware, choosing to call their DLC an extended cut, that this is their intention.

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

No it would just extend the ending we already have, you've been here long enough to know this.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

That's why I ask all of my questions starting with "If." I always ackonowledge that I could be wrng. It's not going to stop me from asking the question.

Also, can't the same be said about you and your thought process? You told me yesterday that in order to find clues for IT, one should have IT in mind while playing through.

Another thing I've noticed about your replies is that they rarely address what I post and are more about my beliefs in general and my intentions. I think I've made them clear numerous times. Can we please move on?

You're asking pointed questions that we have no business needing to answer. Almost every question you've asked today boils down to "What if IT is wrong?" If you want to point out your beliefs, I'm fine with that. But youre asking pointed questions, and that rubs me the wrong way. 

My question is not what if IT is wrong. It's more about how would IT fit if the plot holes are explained, which is what EC is inteneded to do? There are files on the game disc already that prove there was a scene planned to explain this. An extended cut, by definition, adds scenes that were removed for any reason.

So I find it more plausible that Bioware, choosing to call their DLC an extended cut, that this is their intention.

By any degree of the definition, you are asking pointed questions. "How would IT fit if the plot holes are explained" is contextually situated in the scenario where EC backs up the face value interpretation. Why do we need to answer a question that treats a hypothetical situation as fact? You're bypassing the very heart of the matter - what will be in the EC - and skipping straight to questions regarding what happens next if you're right.

Please, I'm sincerely asking you, choose your questions more carefully.

Isn't IT hypothetical?

[balance5050]

Lord Goose wrote...

That blast you see is the crucible exploding, that was right above your head k?

If you meant tube exploding, well...

http://www.youtube.c...dWqlsQjWo#t=25s

If you look at 0: 26 - 0: 30 very carefully, it looks like Shepard was not incinerated on the spot. The blast didn't even managed to make her fall off. So, I guess, it was relatively weak.

Don't be daft, the crucible is what is above yyour head while talking to the catalyst and it's what explodes.....