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[gunslinger_ruiz]

Lord Goose wrote...

Yes we do. Look up, the Crucible is right above Shepards head and there is open to space all around it. He is essentially on the underside of the Citadel tower where the crucible docks and guess where the explosion originates...the Citadel tower....he is at or extremely close to ground zero.

http://www.youtube.c...dWqlsQjWo#t=27s

I was looking at this video very carefuly, and noticed that it doesn't looks like, as if the center was really ground zero of explosion.

Judging from this picture


The blast mainly affected place where petals were attached to the Citadel.

And Shepard was in the middle of both of them, there was no way back inside, the catalyst controlled the elevator that brought you up there and he dies when you shot the tube if he was telling the truth that all synthetic life would be destroyed.

First blast doesn't seems to be exceptionally powerful.
As for second one, it is possible to rely on room's protection. As you can clearly see, central part of the citadel is relatively in one piece. If it was protected, Shepard should have chance to survive.

Just watched the video again, and again, it looks like the Crucible itself is exploding, which is still enough to outright kill Shepard beying right below it on the Presidium (or ON it according to Epyon's old theory). Think of it this way, if it's enough force to seperate the Citadel's arms, it's enough force to atomize a human body regardless of shielding.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 05 juin 2012 - 09:36 .

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

Unless IT was their plan all along. In that case, calling it an extended cut makes perfect sense. 

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Lord goose - That blast you see is the crucible exploding, that was right above your head k?

Not fighting you here, but at first I thought it came from the rings. I always wondered why the crucible would even blow up. Doesn't most of the energy come from the citadel?

I know you thought that at first.... But if you watch the ending in 1080p you see the crucible debris flying away from the explosion.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Isn't IT hypothetical?

Your point? Only occassionally do we discuss what we think is going to happen next if our hypothesis is correct. The bulk of our discussion is about the hypothesis itself. You are skipping that with your questions. 

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

She has weird lips

It's the nares.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

That's why I ask all of my questions starting with "If." I always ackonowledge that I could be wrng. It's not going to stop me from asking the question.

Also, can't the same be said about you and your thought process? You told me yesterday that in order to find clues for IT, one should have IT in mind while playing through.

Another thing I've noticed about your replies is that they rarely address what I post and are more about my beliefs in general and my intentions. I think I've made them clear numerous times. Can we please move on?

You're asking pointed questions that we have no business needing to answer. Almost every question you've asked today boils down to "What if IT is wrong?" If you want to point out your beliefs, I'm fine with that. But youre asking pointed questions, and that rubs me the wrong way. 

My question is not what if IT is wrong. It's more about how would IT fit if the plot holes are explained, which is what EC is inteneded to do? There are files on the game disc already that prove there was a scene planned to explain this. An extended cut, by definition, adds scenes that were removed for any reason.

So I find it more plausible that Bioware, choosing to call their DLC an extended cut, that this is their intention.

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

No it would just extend the ending we already have, you've been here long enough to know this.

Then we need to define where the ending starts then.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Isn't IT hypothetical?

Your point? Only occassionally do we discuss what we think is going to happen next if our hypothesis is correct. The bulk of our discussion is about the hypothesis itself. You are skipping that with your questions. 

Nevermind.

I'm moving on.

[Lord Goose]

This envelops the entire Presidium Ring, and seems to start at the Decision Chamber where you shot the tube.

And in this picture, center is relatively least damaged.



The picture of the Citadel moments before explosion goes big. You can clearly see, that it is petal's attachments which are blowing.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

Unless IT was their plan all along. In that case, calling it an extended cut makes perfect sense. 

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

Unless IT was their plan all along. In that case, calling it an extended cut makes perfect sense. 

Whether IT is wrong or not, didnt Jessica Merizan confirm you'd be able to reunite with your squad in the EC?

Which even in the literal ending, would be extending past the breath scene, thus rendering Epyon's point moo.

[BleedingUranium]

Lord Goose wrote...

That blast you see is the crucible exploding, that was right above your head k?

If you meant tube exploding, well...

http://www.youtube.c...dWqlsQjWo#t=25s

If you look at 0: 26 - 0: 30 very carefully, it looks like Shepard was not incinerated on the spot. The blast didn't even managed to make her fall off. So, I guess, it was relatively weak.

Umm, I'm not physics expert, but the difference between those two explosions is, like, umm, me poking you vs driving over you with a tank. That's on fire. With spiky treads. On broken glass.

It's already unlikely Shepard could survive the tube explosion anyway

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Isn't IT hypothetical?

Your point? Only occassionally do we discuss what we think is going to happen next if our hypothesis is correct. The bulk of our discussion is about the hypothesis itself. You are skipping that with your questions. 

Nevermind.

I'm moving on.

Good idea. Just keep what I said in mind. You dont do your case any favors by bypassing the point of your own stance. 

[Rosewind]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

That's why I ask all of my questions starting with "If." I always ackonowledge that I could be wrng. It's not going to stop me from asking the question.

Also, can't the same be said about you and your thought process? You told me yesterday that in order to find clues for IT, one should have IT in mind while playing through.

Another thing I've noticed about your replies is that they rarely address what I post and are more about my beliefs in general and my intentions. I think I've made them clear numerous times. Can we please move on?

You're asking pointed questions that we have no business needing to answer. Almost every question you've asked today boils down to "What if IT is wrong?" If you want to point out your beliefs, I'm fine with that. But youre asking pointed questions, and that rubs me the wrong way. 

My question is not what if IT is wrong. It's more about how would IT fit if the plot holes are explained, which is what EC is inteneded to do? There are files on the game disc already that prove there was a scene planned to explain this. An extended cut, by definition, adds scenes that were removed for any reason.

So I find it more plausible that Bioware, choosing to call their DLC an extended cut, that this is their intention.

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

No it would just extend the ending we already have, you've been here long enough to know this.

Then we need to define where the ending starts then.

<Insert smart arse comment here>

[EpyonX3]

Lord Goose wrote...

This envelops the entire Presidium Ring, and seems to start at the Decision Chamber where you shot the tube.

And in this picture, center is relatively least damaged.



The picture of the Citadel moments before explosion goes big. You can clearly see, that it is petal's attachments which are blowing.

Damn goose I was getting pics showing just that. You beat me too it. I always thought that the explosion comes from the rings not from the crucible.

[Tiberis]

Arian Dynas wrote...
I still really have only one thing to say about the whole "Incomplete game" argument.

It's free. Download it and get over it.

This right now is the videogame equivalent of a TV season finale that ends with a "To Be Continued." You just need to be patient and voila, it shows up.

I'm not making an argument, I am saying it was wrong. You enter a contractual agreement with BioWare; they give you a complete product in exchange for money. It would be no different from buying a bottle of water only to later found out it was only half filled. The EC has to be free, otherwise BioWare and in extension EA will suffer greatly from the outrage. Regardless, I have gotten over it and let me be clear that I'm not going to argue about the aforementioned because it is a moot point. Trust me that I am very patient and look foward to what the EC will bring.

[llbountyhunter]

Lord Goose wrote...

This envelops the entire Presidium Ring, and seems to start at the Decision Chamber where you shot the tube.

And in this picture, center is relatively least damaged.



The picture of the Citadel moments before explosion goes big. You can clearly see, that it is petal's attachments which are blowing.

The presidium ring material can survive the wake of a supernovae.

Shepard and the crucible? Not so much

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Lord Goose wrote...

This envelops the entire Presidium Ring, and seems to start at the Decision Chamber where you shot the tube.

And in this picture, center is relatively least damaged.



The picture of the Citadel moments before explosion goes big. You can clearly see, that it is petal's attachments which are blowing.

Yes, yes, and you're skipping a very important shot, moments after these little explosions explosions:



You can see a Giant Explosion ripping through the center, the presidium area. I'm not argueing that the "petals" aren't blowing up, they are obviously, so are the ward arms from bottom to top, so is the tower, the whole thing has "small" explosions going on. And one BIG explosions in the middle where Shepard was.

[BleedingUranium]

Lord Goose wrote...

This envelops the entire Presidium Ring, and seems to start at the Decision Chamber where you shot the tube.

And in this picture, center is relatively least damaged.



The picture of the Citadel moments before explosion goes big. You can clearly see, that it is petal's attachments which are blowing.

Do you... even understand how explosions work?

[HellishFiend]

Tiberis wrote...

I'm not making an argument, I am saying it was wrong. You enter a contractual agreement with BioWare; they give you a complete product in exchange for money. It would be no different from buying a bottle of water only to later found out it was only half filled. The EC has to be free, otherwise BioWare and in extension EA will suffer greatly from the outrage. Regardless, I have gotten over it and let me be clear that I'm not going to argue about the aforementioned because it is a moot point. Trust me that I am very patient and look foward to what the EC will bring.

I think all of us would have preferred for the answer/conclusion/explanation to be included on-disc, but like you said, it's a moot point since it wasnt. 

[GethPrimeMKII]

Shep looks pretty dead in those explosions. I dont see where there is room to argue otherwise.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 05 juin 2012 - 09:44 .

[Rosewind]

Lord Goose wrote...

This envelops the entire Presidium Ring, and seems to start at the Decision Chamber where you shot the tube.

And in this picture, center is relatively least damaged.



The picture of the Citadel moments before explosion goes big. You can clearly see, that it is petal's attachments which are blowing.

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

Unless IT was their plan all along. In that case, calling it an extended cut makes perfect sense. 

Whether IT is wrong or not, didnt Jessica Merizan confirm you'd be able to reunite with your squad in the EC?

Which even in the literal ending, would be extending past the breath scene, thus rendering Epyon's point moo.

I'm not a Cow!!! lol

Anyway this is her words:

"yes but with some sacrifices depending on the end you chose. Ending is
never perfect but Shep/crew reunited is possible :)Also, it seems like
the new endings may hint that the relays will be rebuilt."

This is coming from the same person who said that Shepard was on the Ctadel. Then said she believes he's on the citadel to keep the speculations going.

I don't take what she says as confirmation of anything.

[llbountyhunter]

Lord goose, please continue to contradict IT.

your only solidifying at this point.

[Lord Goose]

Here all three pics in concenssion.







I'm pretty sure, that its the petals explosion in the middle. They seems to be starting to explode, when the blast covers entire area, and they're the most damaged parts of the citadel.

It's already unlikely Shepard could survive the tube explosion anyway

Commander Shepard being killed by explosion, which can't even knock him off?

[paxxton]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lord goose, please continue to contradict IT.

your only solidifying at this point.

At least he's ambitious. Look how many screenshots he made.