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[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

This is coming from the same person who said that Shepard was on the Ctadel. Then said she believes he's on the citadel to keep the speculations going.

I don't take what she says as confirmation of anything.

That's something we can agree on. I dont think I've ever cited Merizan even once. 

[Lord Goose]

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

Its not a blast. Its Crucible's energy. Which is probably not lethal and too concentrated for mere explosion.

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

Unless IT was their plan all along. In that case, calling it an extended cut makes perfect sense. 

Whether IT is wrong or not, didnt Jessica Merizan confirm you'd be able to reunite with your squad in the EC?

Which even in the literal ending, would be extending past the breath scene, thus rendering Epyon's point moo.

I'm not a Cow!!! lol

Anyway this is her words:

"yes but with some sacrifices depending on the end you chose. Ending is
never perfect but Shep/crew reunited is possible :)Also, it seems like
the new endings may hint that the relays will be rebuilt."

This is coming from the same person who said that Shepard was on the Ctadel. Then said she believes he's on the citadel to keep the speculations going.

I don't take what she says as confirmation of anything.

That was before she said she saw some of what the development team was working on.

After that she even went as far as saying that the destroy ending was the only way to re-unite.

*Posted link in orginal thread... to lazy to go back and find it

[Arian Dynas]

Tiberis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
I still really have only one thing to say about the whole "Incomplete game" argument.

It's free. Download it and get over it.

This right now is the videogame equivalent of a TV season finale that ends with a "To Be Continued." You just need to be patient and voila, it shows up.

I'm not making an argument, I am saying it was wrong. You enter a contractual agreement with BioWare; they give you a complete product in exchange for money. It would be no different from buying a bottle of water only to later found out it was only half filled. The EC has to be free, otherwise BioWare and in extension EA will suffer greatly from the outrage. Regardless, I have gotten over it and let me be clear that I'm not going to argue about the aforementioned because it is a moot point. Trust me that I am very patient and look foward to what the EC will bring.

They are giving you a complete game. It has an ending. Shepard charges into the beam and gets shot by Harbinger before going into a dreamworld and fighting his own mind and winning. That's an ending. It's still a cliffhanger, but it's an ending.

In your metaphor it's more like opening up your waterbottle and finding it half full with a note taped to the lid saying "IOU half of one water bottle to be redeemed on this date."

That's the way we all should be.

Really I'm not saying it's the best buisness practice, but from a marketing and PR perspective it's quite a brilliant idea.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Or that it just extends the story past the Shepard Alive scene;)

That would change the ending though or create an alternate ending, which is different from what an extended cut is or what bioware said they were planning to do.

Unless IT was their plan all along. In that case, calling it an extended cut makes perfect sense. 

Whether IT is wrong or not, didnt Jessica Merizan confirm you'd be able to reunite with your squad in the EC?

Which even in the literal ending, would be extending past the breath scene, thus rendering Epyon's point moo.

I'm not a Cow!!! lol

Anyway this is her words:

"yes but with some sacrifices depending on the end you chose. Ending is
never perfect but Shep/crew reunited is possible :)Also, it seems like
the new endings may hint that the relays will be rebuilt."

This is coming from the same person who said that Shepard was on the Ctadel. Then said she believes he's on the citadel to keep the speculations going.

I don't take what she says as confirmation of anything.

Tsk tsk tsk Epyon.....

Next time use an exact quote or link to the tweet, you're fudging what she actually said.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Lord Goose wrote...

Here all three pics in concenssion.
*image snip*

I'm pretty sure, that its the petals explosion in the middle. They seems to be starting to explode, when the blast covers entire area, and they're the most damaged parts of the citadel.

It's already unlikely Shepard could survive the tube explosion anyway

Commander Shepard being killed by explosion, which can't even knock him off?

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to prove from this anymore. The ring is damaged, yes, but are you saying that because the damage is seen on the ring and "petals" that Shepard can survive it? Regardless of where we can see damage we cannot see damage to the back of the Tower, the base of the presidium, where Shepard was standing, and are left to assume that the giant explosion from the Crucible leaves a lot of damage and almost zero room for Shepard to have survived intact.

[paxxton]

Lord Goose wrote...

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

Its not a blast. Its Crucible's energy. Which is probably not lethal and too concentrated for mere explosion.

Do you think that the red sphere of energy engulfing the Citadel wouldn't vaporize Shepard?

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 09:51 .

[byne]

Lord Goose wrote...

Here all three pics in concenssion.

*triple snip*

I'm pretty sure, that its the petals explosion in the middle. They seems to be starting to explode, when the blast covers entire area, and they're the most damaged parts of the citadel.

It's already unlikely Shepard could survive the tube explosion anyway

Commander Shepard being killed by explosion, which can't even knock him off?

You're really better off going with Epyon's old idea that we dont know how much time actually passed between shooting the tube and the big explosion, and thus leaving open the possibility that Shepard somehow managed to get back to the beam and go back down to Earth before the explosion.

At least I think that was Epyon's old idea. Might have been someone else.

[Corik]

I wonder what the hell do you guys want? Do you want us to say "Ok, you win, IT is false... everybody pick up your things and go home"? If you don't believe IT... FINE. Let us discuss our evidences in peace without people saying "you're wrong because you're wrong". We may be wrong, but we have HOPE. Hope in Bioware. Hope in the fact that they are awesome writting stories and we can't just admit they suddenly dropped all their hard work to the trash in the damn 10 last minutes of the game.

We may be wrong, but we want to have hope in Commander Shepard, and the others. We want to believe they actually managed to save humanity and go on with their lives.

If I have to be wrong... I prefer to think until the very last moment that a better story could be possible.

[dreamgazer]

I'mma go play ME3. You chaps and chapettes have a good time.

[balance5050]

Lord Goose wrote...

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

snip

Its not a blast. Its Crucible's energy. Which is probably not lethal and too concentrated for mere explosion.

   


This pic is after the red wave and laser.

Modifié par balance5050, 05 juin 2012 - 09:56 .

[Rosewind]

Lord Goose wrote...

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

Its not a blast. Its Crucible's energy. Which is probably not lethal and too concentrated for mere explosion.

Yet it causes the citedel to explode...... No not lethal or concentrated for mere explosion. By the way that screenie has no th ing to do qith what I was refering to in fact it kinda proves you wrong on your argument.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Lord Goose wrote...

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

*image snip*
Its not a blast. Its Crucible's energy. Which is probably not lethal and too concentrated for mere explosion.

One last thing before I drop this topic for now, someone else feel free to throw some logic in:
The red energy according to the Catalyst/Starbrat/Starbringer is supposed to "Wipe out all synthetic life [...] even YOU are partly synthetic." So yes, the energy might not effect  organics in a lethal manner but Shepard is partly Synthetic so it would more than likely find a way to effect him/her potentially shutting down all of his vital cybernetic implants that brought him back from the dead and have kept him alive since.

[paxxton]

Did you consider that when Harbinger hit Shepard, a quantum discontinuity happened and 2 parallel universes appeared. One where Shepard is lying on the ground and the other where he gets up and shoots the tube. After that those universes collapse into one.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 09:57 .

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

I wonder what the hell do you guys want? Do you want us to say "Ok, you win, IT is false... everybody pick up your things and go home"? If you don't believe IT... FINE. Let us discuss our evidences in peace without people saying "you're wrong because you're wrong". We may be wrong, but we have HOPE. Hope in Bioware. Hope in the fact that they are awesome writting stories and we can't just admit they suddenly dropped all their hard work to the trash in the damn 10 last minutes of the game.

We may be wrong, but we want to have hope in Commander Shepard, and the others. We want to believe they actually managed to save humanity and go on with their lives.

If I have to be wrong... I prefer to think until the very last moment that a better story could be possible.

Exactly.

To be honest, I dont even have a problem with those that come in here and state their anti-IT opinion. I dont agree with it, and I certainly dont go into anti-IT topics and wave my beliefs around in their faces. But still, theyre easily ignored. I do, however, have a problem with being drawn into a discussion only to be asked pointed questions that skip the discussion entirely and operate under the assumption that we're wrong.

That's like a police officer knocking on your door and asking "Why did you rob that bank?" if whether or not you robbed the bank is based entirely on speculation. 

[Lord Goose]

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to prove from this anymore. The ring is damaged, yes, but are you saying that because the damage is seen on the ring and "petals" that Shepard can survive it

I'm trying to say, that big blast in the middle is not Presidium exploding. Rather it simulatenous explosion of six points where petals of the citadel were attached. That's why they seems to be most damaged, while presidim is relatively in one piece.

Do you think that the red sphere of energy engulfing the Citadel wouldn't vaporize Shepard?

I suppose it the same type of energy which killed the Reapers. So it is probably not hazardous for human being.

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

Did you consider that when Harbinger hit Shepard, a quantum discontinuity happened and 2 parallel universes appeared. One where Shepard is lying on the ground and the other where he gets up and shoots the tube. After that those universes collapse into one.

Yeah, I kinda like the "Schrodinger's ending" aspect....

[paxxton]

Lord Goose wrote...

Do you think that the red sphere of energy engulfing the Citadel wouldn't vaporize Shepard?

I suppose it the same type of energy which killed the Reapers. So it is probably not hazardous for human being.

Since when humans are made of metal?

[Tiberis]

Arian Dynas wrote...

They are giving you a complete game. It has an ending. Shepard charges into the beam and gets shot by Harbinger before going into a dreamworld and fighting his own mind and winning. That's an ending. It's still a cliffhanger, but it's an ending.

In your metaphor it's more like opening up your waterbottle and finding it half full with a note taped to the lid saying "IOU half of one water bottle to be redeemed on this date."

That's the way we all should be.

Really I'm not saying it's the best buisness practice, but from a marketing and PR perspective it's quite a brilliant idea.

That is an acceptable point of view. I will take to this, thank you.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

Did you consider that when Harbinger hit Shepard, a quantum discontinuity happened and 2 parallel universes appeared. One where Shepard is lying on the ground 
the endings happened at face value and also all Krogans now have clown noses and the other where he gets up and shoots the tube and one where IT is true. After that those universes collapse into one.

Fixed.  And yes, that might actually just satisfy both camps... 

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you consider that when Harbinger hit Shepard, a quantum discontinuity happened and 2 parallel universes appeared. One where Shepard is lying on the ground and the other where he gets up and shoots the tube. After that those universes collapse into one.

Yeah, I kinda like the "Schrodinger's ending" aspect....

The problem is how to explain the reasoning behind that. What effect would one universe had on the other after the collapse? That would be pure fiction.

[Arian Dynas]

Tiberis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

They are giving you a complete game. It has an ending. Shepard charges into the beam and gets shot by Harbinger before going into a dreamworld and fighting his own mind and winning. That's an ending. It's still a cliffhanger, but it's an ending.

In your metaphor it's more like opening up your waterbottle and finding it half full with a note taped to the lid saying "IOU half of one water bottle to be redeemed on this date."

That's the way we all should be.

Really I'm not saying it's the best buisness practice, but from a marketing and PR perspective it's quite a brilliant idea.

That is an acceptable point of view. I will take to this, thank you.

My pleasure.:happy:

[ThisOneIsPunny]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you consider that when Harbinger hit Shepard, a quantum discontinuity happened and 2 parallel universes appeared. One where Shepard is lying on the ground 
the endings happened at face value and also all Krogans now have clown noses and the other where he gets up and shoots the tube and one where IT is true. After that those universes collapse into one.

Fixed.  And yes, that might actually just satisfy both camps... 

Afro circus afro circus afro polka dot polka dot polka dot afro?

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Tiberis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

They are giving you a complete game. It has an ending. Shepard charges into the beam and gets shot by Harbinger before going into a dreamworld and fighting his own mind and winning. That's an ending. It's still a cliffhanger, but it's an ending.

In your metaphor it's more like opening up your waterbottle and finding it half full with a note taped to the lid saying "IOU half of one water bottle to be redeemed on this date."

That's the way we all should be.

Really I'm not saying it's the best buisness practice, but from a marketing and PR perspective it's quite a brilliant idea.

That is an acceptable point of view. I will take to this, thank you.

My pleasure.:happy:

That really is a good, concise way of putting it. I would recommend referring to that when people need to have it clarified instead of the wall of text version you have. While very good, it is probably too long for most people to want to read. 

[BleedingUranium]

Rosewind wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

Its not a blast. Its Crucible's energy. Which is probably not lethal and too concentrated for mere explosion.

Yet it causes the citedel to explode...... No not lethal or concentrated for mere explosion. By the way that screenie has no th ing to do qith what I was refering to in fact it kinda proves you wrong on your argument.

That's a ball of energy that we don't really know anything about.

This is an explosion 15km in diameter.