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[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you consider that when Harbinger hit Shepard, a quantum discontinuity happened and 2 parallel universes appeared. One where Shepard is lying on the ground and the other where he gets up and shoots the tube. After that those universes collapse into one.

Yeah, I kinda like the "Schrodinger's ending" aspect....

The problem is how to explain the reasoning behind that. What effect would one universe had on the other after the collapse? That would be pure fiction.

Not really pure fiction, quantum physics are a real thing and just the act of observation can collapse a wave form.

[balance5050]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

Its not a blast. Its Crucible's energy. Which is probably not lethal and too concentrated for mere explosion.

Yet it causes the citedel to explode...... No not lethal or concentrated for mere explosion. By the way that screenie has no th ing to do qith what I was refering to in fact it kinda proves you wrong on your argument.

That's a ball of energy that we don't really know anything about.

This is an explosion 15km in diameter.

Please note that these two pictures are two different things taken at diferent phases of the crucible activation, the second picture is the last scene of the citadel we see.....

[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...


Not really pure fiction, quantum physics are a real thing and just the act of observation can collapse a wave form.

Interesting. Almost makes me want to learn quantum physics. I rather enjoyed 1301 and 1302. Even managed to pass them with A's without needing to use the lab component. Never went beyond that, though. 

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you consider that when Harbinger hit Shepard, a quantum discontinuity happened and 2 parallel universes appeared. One where Shepard is lying on the ground and the other where he gets up and shoots the tube. After that those universes collapse into one.

Yeah, I kinda like the "Schrodinger's ending" aspect....

The problem is how to explain the reasoning behind that. What effect would one universe had on the other after the collapse? That would be pure fiction.

Not really pure fiction, quantum physics are a real thing and just the act of observation can collapse a wave form.

Well, yeah. So the observation would be Shepard's realization that he is being indoctrinated.

[Arian Dynas]

Also, Lord Goose, to you I really have only this to say;

http://www.youtube.c...KI2CRQFo#t=332s

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 05 juin 2012 - 10:12 .

[BleedingUranium]

balance5050 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

*Ignores the big giant red lasery explosion like thing that seems to come from the point shepard is standing at*

Its not a blast. Its Crucible's energy. Which is probably not lethal and too concentrated for mere explosion.

Yet it causes the citedel to explode...... No not lethal or concentrated for mere explosion. By the way that screenie has no th ing to do qith what I was refering to in fact it kinda proves you wrong on your argument.

That's a ball of energy that we don't really know anything about.

This is an explosion 15km in diameter.

Please note that these two pictures are two different things taken at diferent phases of the crucible activation, the second picture is the last scene of the citadel we see.....

I know, that was my point. I think Goose was trying to say the explosion was just the energy ball, but I can't be too sure with him

[Lord Goose]

This is an explosion 15km in diameter.

But look at this.


Its the picture which goes right after the fire fall away.

Presidium is relatively undamaged by the blast. Maybe it wasn't ground zero of the explosion? Maybe big explosion was actually petals connection points exploding simulatenously? They seems to be burning right after explosion, while central part is dark.

Modifié par Lord Goose, 05 juin 2012 - 10:14 .

[EpyonX3]

Here's the explosion in slow mo.

Here's what to take away from this video.


1) The crucible is not visible in this scene. Before or after the explosion.

2) The explosion comes from the top and right panel and partially from the rings, not from the crucible.

3) The top panel blows off allong with the right side panel. The others are still connected, consistant with the explosion.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 05 juin 2012 - 10:16 .

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you consider that when Harbinger hit Shepard, a quantum discontinuity happened and 2 parallel universes appeared. One where Shepard is lying on the ground and the other where he gets up and shoots the tube. After that those universes collapse into one.

Yeah, I kinda like the "Schrodinger's ending" aspect....

The problem is how to explain the reasoning behind that. What effect would one universe had on the other after the collapse? That would be pure fiction.

Not really pure fiction, quantum physics are a real thing and just the act of observation can collapse a wave form.

Well, yeah. So the observation would be Shepard's realization that he is being indoctrinated.

BINGO!

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

This is coming from the same person who said that Shepard was on the Ctadel. Then said she believes he's on the citadel to keep the speculations going.

I don't take what she says as confirmation of anything.

That's something we can agree on. I dont think I've ever cited Merizan even once. 

ah that's two so far.

I'm counting...

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Here's the explosion in slow mo.

Here's what to take away from this video.


1) The crucible is not visible in this scene. Before or after the explosion.

2) The explosion comed from the top and right panel and partially from the rings, not from the crucible.

3) The top panel blows off allong with the right side panel. The others are still connected, consistant with the explosion.

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Here's the explosion in slow mo.

Here's what to take away from this video.


1) The crucible is not visible in this scene. Before or after the explosion.

2) The explosion comed from the top and right panel and partially from the rings, not from the crucible.

3) The top panel blows off allong with the right side panel. The others are still connected, consistant with the explosion.

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

No, those are parts of the panel that separate before the main explosion. Look at the small explosion that happens in that same exact spot. You'll see it floating slightly just before the big one.


Also it would be impossible if the center was the explosion that that crucible's parts would be floating in that direction. The crucible is behind the citadel.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 05 juin 2012 - 10:19 .

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

No, those are parts of the panel that separate before the main explosion. Look at the small explosion that happens in that same exact spot. You'll see it floating slightly just before the big one.

What is your proposal for why the Crucible vanishes?

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

No, those are parts of the panel that separate before the main explosion. Look at the small explosion that happens in that same exact spot. You'll see it floating slightly just before the big one.

What is your proposal for why the Crucible vanishes?

it's not even rendered in the scene. It's either just too far away to be visible in this scene or bioware left it out because they felt it wasn't important. My opinion, of course.

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

No, those are parts of the panel that separate before the main explosion. Look at the small explosion that happens in that same exact spot. You'll see it floating slightly just before the big one.

What is your proposal for why the Crucible vanishes?

Why is this being debated? The crucible explodes. That's it.

[Tiberis]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Here's the explosion in slow mo.

Here's what to take away from this video.


1) The crucible is not visible in this scene. Before or after the explosion.

2) The explosion comed from the top and right panel and partially from the rings, not from the crucible.

3) The top panel blows off allong with the right side panel. The others are still connected, consistant with the explosion.

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

No, those are parts of the panel that separate before the main explosion. Look at the small explosion that happens in that same exact spot. You'll see it floating slightly just before the big one.


Also it would be impossible if the center was the explosion that that crucible's parts would be floating in that direction. The crucible is behind the citadel.

Actually I can see a large circular object behind the citadel during that largest explosion when the light is brightest. That has to be the crucible.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...


it's not even rendered in the scene. It's either just too far away to be visible in this scene or bioware left it out because they felt it wasn't important. My opinion, of course.

It's a pre-rendered scene, though. They can include as much detail as they want. 

[byne]

Lord Goose wrote...

This is an explosion 15km in diameter.

But look at this.


Its the picture which goes right after the fire fall away.

Presidium is relatively undamaged by the blast. Maybe it wasn't ground zero of the explosion? Maybe big explosion was actually petals connection points exploding simulatenously? They seems to be burning right after explosion, while central part is dark.

Where the explosion starts really doesnt matter. The area Shepard is in is completely engulfed in flame.

Her armor was badly damaged, and she was wearing no helmet, so she didnt really have any protection from the explosion, no matter where it started.

The Citadel is built from the same stuff as the mass relays, and the relays can survive supernovas.

Shepard is a human, and while tougher than regular humans, she is not invincible.

Looking at the damage the explosion did to the rest of the Citadel, she'd be vaporized.

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Not really pure fiction, quantum physics are a real thing and just the act of observation can collapse a wave form.

Interesting. Almost makes me want to learn quantum physics. I rather enjoyed 1301 and 1302. Even managed to pass them with A's without needing to use the lab component. Never went beyond that, though. 

I approve of such an attitude. But what are 1301 and 1302?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 05 juin 2012 - 10:23 .

[EpyonX3]

Tiberis wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Here's the explosion in slow mo.

Here's what to take away from this video.


1) The crucible is not visible in this scene. Before or after the explosion.

2) The explosion comed from the top and right panel and partially from the rings, not from the crucible.

3) The top panel blows off allong with the right side panel. The others are still connected, consistant with the explosion.

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

No, those are parts of the panel that separate before the main explosion. Look at the small explosion that happens in that same exact spot. You'll see it floating slightly just before the big one.


Also it would be impossible if the center was the explosion that that crucible's parts would be floating in that direction. The crucible is behind the citadel.

Actually I can see a large circular object behind the citadel during that largest explosion when the light is brightest. That has to be the crucible.

I see it too but it's actually behind the panel. The crucible is centered at on the crucible and is much smaller than that object.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


it's not even rendered in the scene. It's either just too far away to be visible in this scene or bioware left it out because they felt it wasn't important. My opinion, of course.

It's a pre-rendered scene, though. They can include as much detail as they want. 

Not quite. When they model the scene, they work in real-time. The workstation has limitations that constrain the complexity of the scene.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juin 2012 - 10:27 .

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


it's not even rendered in the scene. It's either just too far away to be visible in this scene or bioware left it out because they felt it wasn't important. My opinion, of course.

It's a pre-rendered scene, though. They can include as much detail as they want. 

Which makes it weird that they didn't include it. Look at the video, why don't we see the crucible's round dome reflecting light off of the other mini explosions going on around it or from the beam itself. The beam appears to be shooting out of a dark space.

[EpyonX3]

Here's the Youtube version

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

No, those are parts of the panel that separate before the main explosion. Look at the small explosion that happens in that same exact spot. You'll see it floating slightly just before the big one.

What is your proposal for why the Crucible vanishes?

it's not even rendered in the scene. It's either just too far away to be visible in this scene or bioware left it out because they felt it wasn't important. My opinion, of course.

So wait, your opinion is:

1: BioWare thinks the Crucible isnt important to include in the scene. (Even though everything happening in the scene is being caused by the Crucible)
2: BioWare intended to portray Shepard as being on the Crucible.

So they dont think its important at all to show us the big thing Shepard is on? We're just supposed to, what? Assume it is there?

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Epyon, at the end you see three large chunks floating away from the explosion, that's the crucible.

No, those are parts of the panel that separate before the main explosion. Look at the small explosion that happens in that same exact spot. You'll see it floating slightly just before the big one.

What is your proposal for why the Crucible vanishes?

it's not even rendered in the scene. It's either just too far away to be visible in this scene or bioware left it out because they felt it wasn't important. My opinion, of course.

So wait, your opinion is:

1: BioWare thinks the Crucible isnt important to include in the scene. (Even though everything happening in the scene is being caused by the Crucible)
2: BioWare intended to portray Shepard as being on the Crucible.

So they dont think its important at all to show us the big thing Shepard is on? We're just supposed to, what? Assume it is there?

Close but not exactly. I'm thinking that they didn't include it so that it would have been easier to render the scene. Since the distance we are viewing this from is so far, it would be difficult to see the crucble anyway.

Also the whole Shepard was on the crucible thing changed quite a bit. He was on the Citadel but made his choices on a crucible/citadel interface.