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[BatmanTurian]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Alright, just dropping this for those in the know:

As we have seen, Bioware has used many different references, (such as The Matrix), in Mass Effect 3's main lore. Does anyone know of any dream based movies that hold parallels to Shepard's nightmares? While there is certainly both narrative and parapsychological foundation already there, a pre-existing platform would be useful.

I came across this notion, (which is simple, admittedly), after noting the presence of Freddy Krueger in Mortal Kombat (2011) DLC. Although I know Freddy is supposed to attack people in their dreams, I honestly have never watched any of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies to comment further.

Freddy usually appears as himself, but he can also alter your dreams and even disguise himself, if I remember correctly. It's been like maybe 5-8 years since I saw a Freddy Movie.

I remember in Paranormal Activity, the Demon was not only tormenting the couple in physical ways, as it was slowly trying to possess the woman, it also gave her nightmares. Really, demonic possession is the only thing you can compare Indoctrination with, so even The Exorcist is fair game, although at the beginning of Exorcist, the girl is already turned.

So yeah, maybe Paranormal Activity movies are a great example of how Indoctrination would work (even if its done by a supernatural force in the movies). Everyone the demon targets comes around to the demon's way of thinking and becomes possessed and eventually a gibbering monster.

I would agree that Indoctrination is akin to demonic influence and possession, right down to the EMF/Infrasound/Ultrasound, etc. references. Having studied parapsychology and talked with people tormented by such phenomina, the corruptive nature of the Reapers comes off clearly.

Glad I'm not in your line of work. It would keep me up late at night. I got enough on my plate with my vivid imagination and Marble Hornets collaborating when I'm laying in my pitch black bedroom at night...

[TSA_383]

DJBare wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Coates was in there for 3 days. He says something along those lines in the ambient dialogue at the end.

The problem I have with his line is, three days alone without being overwhelmed?, it's not like his position was that safe, from the moment he took the first couple of shots the hoard would have eventually homed in on his location, Coats is definitely on my suspects list along with Hackett, Liara, EDI and Anderson, sucks really, I like EDI.

*tries to imagine the level of fan outcry if Liara turns out to be indoctrinated and shep has to kill her*

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[fade2black.1337]

Hi everybody, anything new on twitter lately? like some voice actors saying their going to record some more lines...
I need something to speculate on!

[Unschuld]

fade2black.1337 wrote...

Hi everybody, anything new on twitter lately? like some voice actors saying their going to record some more lines...
I need something to speculate on!

Nothing "new" really. But yeah, a bunch of voice actors for main characters are confirmed.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@TSA

Yeah, something like that. I don't personally think any of your crew (Liara included) are severely indoctrinated at this point, but if IT proves to be true or partially true it's possible all of your squad (former and current) could be indoctrinated just like they tried to get Shepard.

Although if that's the case and you do have to face down your squadmates either in combat or conversation I'm assuming ME2 loyalty shields and past/current romantic relationships come into factor as well as gaining their trust in ME3 if they hadn't been in previous games, Ash/Kaiden being special cases.

[Unschuld]

TSA_383 wrote...
*tries to imagine the level of fan outcry if Liara turns out to be indoctrinated and shep has to kill her*

Their tears would make a most delicious drink, and I would start bottling it and selling it for a premium price. Yes, even my brother who is a Liaramancer.

[DJBare]

TSA_383 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Coates was in there for 3 days. He says something along those lines in the ambient dialogue at the end.

The problem I have with his line is, three days alone without being overwhelmed?, it's not like his position was that safe, from the moment he took the first couple of shots the hoard would have eventually homed in on his location, Coats is definitely on my suspects list along with Hackett, Liara, EDI and Anderson, sucks really, I like EDI.

*tries to imagine the level of fan outcry if Liara turns out to be indoctrinated and shep has to kill her*

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Javik has a line I'll paraphrase, "I once had a ship like this, my crew became traitors, indoctrinated agents that hunted me"

[BatmanTurian]

DJBare wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Coates was in there for 3 days. He says something along those lines in the ambient dialogue at the end.

The problem I have with his line is, three days alone without being overwhelmed?, it's not like his position was that safe, from the moment he took the first couple of shots the hoard would have eventually homed in on his location, Coats is definitely on my suspects list along with Hackett, Liara, EDI and Anderson, sucks really, I like EDI.

*tries to imagine the level of fan outcry if Liara turns out to be indoctrinated and shep has to kill her*

....

Javik has a line I'll paraphrase, "I once had a ship like this, my crew became traitors, indoctrinated agents that hunted me"

Can't help but wonder if that is foreshadowing, but it's probably nothing.

[Auralius Carolus]

BatmanTurian wrote...
Glad I'm not in your line of work. It would keep me up late at night. I got enough on my plate with my vivid imagination and Marble Hornets collaborating when I'm laying in my pitch black bedroom at night...

Heh. And I'll be headed to Point Pleasant later today and will be staying at the Lowe Hotel. Aside from Mothman and UFOs, the Hotel is allegedly haunted.

The best part? This is just a twist of fate, as I needed place to rest on my to a wedding in Ohio. I guess I just have good taste in towns.

[Bill Casey]

TSA_383 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Coates was in there for 3 days. He says something along those lines in the ambient dialogue at the end.

The problem I have with his line is, three days alone without being overwhelmed?, it's not like his position was that safe, from the moment he took the first couple of shots the hoard would have eventually homed in on his location, Coats is definitely on my suspects list along with Hackett, Liara, EDI and Anderson, sucks really, I like EDI.

*tries to imagine the level of fan outcry if Liara turns out to be indoctrinated and shep has to kill her*

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I stayed faithful to Liara for three games, but that would actually be a respectable twist, as much as I hate to say it...

I'm thinking about the mandatory crew members now...

The three squad members you are guaranteed to have are Liara, James and EDI...
Traynor, Adams and Joker are also still around on everyone's playthrough...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 mai 2012 - 07:20 .

[WinterCrow]

Icinix wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Hey guys, anything new?

When choosing Destroy, carnifex changes mid in game cutscene to Predator....think thats been the big recent development.

I've been following all the screen captures about this and I still can't figure why this happens. It is way too hard to detect and doesn't directly imply anything, so I find hard to believe this was an intended clue. Does it make any sense code wise?

Like, there's a "dreamy" model of Shepard with one pistol, and then the "real life" Shepard with the other, and it changes cause the code says "dream ends here" right at that moment. Am I even making sense? lol

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Going back to the "puzzle" mentality; I'm starting to view the Carnifex Predator switch as another piece of the puzzle. As something that seems insignificant on its own but when put together with other things makes a picture much clearer.

What I'm pulling from all these discrepancies is "Something is wrong/out of place" in what Shepard is experiences. So far it looks like "Hallucination" and more likely "Indoctrination."

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 16 mai 2012 - 07:33 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

WinterCrow wrote...

Icinix wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Hey guys, anything new?

When choosing Destroy, carnifex changes mid in game cutscene to Predator....think thats been the big recent development.

I've been following all the screen captures about this and I still can't figure why this happens. It is way too hard to detect and doesn't directly imply anything, so I find hard to believe this was an intended clue. Does it make any sense code wise?

Like, there's a "dreamy" model of Shepard with one pistol, and then the "real life" Shepard with the other, and it changes cause the code says "dream ends here" right at that moment. Am I even making sense? lol

The strange part in the change is that it by all logic take extra work to program the gun change in those final moments, something that goes against the "Bioware was lazy" thing that many Anti-ITuse.

There really is no reason for it to happen and therefore it is natural to look for connections in which the guns in question were used and in that case the Carnifex shows a strong tendency (though not perfect) towards appearing in negatively charged scenes.

[Auralius Carolus]

WinterCrow wrote...

Icinix wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Hey guys, anything new?

When choosing Destroy, carnifex changes mid in game cutscene to Predator....think thats been the big recent development.

I've been following all the screen captures about this and I still can't figure why this happens. It is way too hard to detect and doesn't directly imply anything, so I find hard to believe this was an intended clue. Does it make any sense code wise?

Like, there's a "dreamy" model of Shepard with one pistol, and then the "real life" Shepard with the other, and it changes cause the code says "dream ends here" right at that moment. Am I even making sense? lol

The Predator is a standard-issue pistol that is far more fitting for Shepard to stumble upon than the Carnifex. It may be seen as symbolic of that which is real and true to Shepard's nature, or (if you believe that the end is a true hallucination instead of a dream), a sign that the hallucination is giving way, as Shepard acts.

[TSA_383]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...

Icinix wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Hey guys, anything new?

When choosing Destroy, carnifex changes mid in game cutscene to Predator....think thats been the big recent development.

I've been following all the screen captures about this and I still can't figure why this happens. It is way too hard to detect and doesn't directly imply anything, so I find hard to believe this was an intended clue. Does it make any sense code wise?

Like, there's a "dreamy" model of Shepard with one pistol, and then the "real life" Shepard with the other, and it changes cause the code says "dream ends here" right at that moment. Am I even making sense? lol

The strange part in the change is that it by all logic take extra work to program the gun change in those final moments, something that goes against the "Bioware was lazy" thing that many Anti-ITuse.

There really is no reason for it to happen and therefore it is natural to look for connections in which the guns in question were used and in that case the Carnifex shows a strong tendency (though not perfect) towards appearing in negatively charged scenes.

It's also identified as the ultimate pistol for renegades - so interesting that the switch back to the "good" pistol the predator occurs on the "renegade" destroy option

[Wabajakka]

TSA_383 wrote...

It's also identified as the ultimate pistol for renegades - so interesting that the switch back to the "good" pistol the predator occurs on the "renegade" destroy option

I would have to say that's a massive stretch to say the least... Not to say that the pistol swap isn't odd, but that's taking it a step overboard.

[DJBare]

Bill Casey wrote...

I stayed faithful to Liara for three games, but that would actually be a respectable twist, as much as I hate to say it...

I'm thinking about the mandatory crew members now...

The three squad members you are guaranteed to have are Liara, James and EDI...
Traynor, Adams and Joker are also still around on everyone's playthrough...

It's what I've been hoping for since ME2, not that I relish the idea dealing with LI's or friends that turn traitor, but from a story perspective it would really add a lot, imagine Joker being one of those traitors, probably the last person most people think of, I place characters like Hackett at the top of my suspects list because of his position, but Joker with his jokes and brittle bone disease, what harm could he be?

Modifié par DJBare, 16 mai 2012 - 08:13 .

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...

Icinix wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Hey guys, anything new?

When choosing Destroy, carnifex changes mid in game cutscene to Predator....think thats been the big recent development.

I've been following all the screen captures about this and I still can't figure why this happens. It is way too hard to detect and doesn't directly imply anything, so I find hard to believe this was an intended clue. Does it make any sense code wise?

Like, there's a "dreamy" model of Shepard with one pistol, and then the "real life" Shepard with the other, and it changes cause the code says "dream ends here" right at that moment. Am I even making sense? lol

The Predator is a standard-issue pistol that is far more fitting for Shepard to stumble upon than the Carnifex. It may be seen as symbolic of that which is real and true to Shepard's nature, or (if you believe that the end is a true hallucination instead of a dream), a sign that the hallucination is giving way, as Shepard acts.

Actually the Predator is not distributed to Militaries, and is primarily a civilian weapon.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Soo.. we have a leak of the EC?

[DJBare]

pirate1802 wrote...

Soo.. we have a leak of the EC?

At this point, if there is any leak, then it's what Bioware wants us to see.

[DirtyPhoenix]

balance5050 wrote...

 Posted this in another thread, it's relevant:



Sorry it took so long, I can't seem to actually find a source for the first leak, but it basically had four different ways the conduit scene played out. I found this quote but if anyonecan find the source let me know cause it may not be legit.


"Designer Cutscene:
Shepard comes to.
A handful of survivors from hammer, including Anderson and the henchmen, have gotten bogged down just a few dozen meters from the conduit and have dug in, but are dying quickly.
Suddenly, the Normandy streaks overhead, evading fire fromthe Reaper and blowing a hole in the Reaper enemies' lines.
Anderson shouts for Shepard to make a run for it, and orders the rest of Hammer to cover him."

The outcomes to this where as follows.
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."

2:"Shepard comes to. Anderson is dragging him forward. A jagged, bloody piece of metal is sticking out of his thigh. The conduit anchor retracts, stranding the henchmen. Shepard tries to walk, but his leg buckles. Anderson hands Shepard his pistol, and lifts Shepard's arm around his neck, supporting his leg. The two begin to shuffle towards the conduit beam."

3: "Designer Cutscene: Shepard limps to the conduit, and takes one final look around for other survivors. Seeing none, he enters the beam and is transported to the citadel."

4: "Shepard regains consciousness. He's bloody, and obviously badly injured. The Reaper is overhead, blasting away at retreating elements of Hammer. Shepard looks around: he's surrounded by burning vehicles and corpses, alone. He reaches for a syrette of medigel, but finds them broken or empty. Determined, he struggles to his feet, and starts limping towards the conduit." 


Again, this isn't souced, so I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LEGIT if anyone can confirm somehow, I would appreciatte it.


And if you guys can see, it looks like there is indeed a metal rod peirced through Shep's leg.

http://thundermods.n...ith/ME3/hit.png 

 

EDIT: OH yeah, Credit to MegumiAsuza for the pic. 

EDIT2: I doubt that the Hammer soldiers were referred to as "henchmen", might be paraphrased, got this quote from here, this person doesn't seem aware of the metal in the leg's significance so I wonder where this person got the information from. 
http://www.forumopol...=105842&page=10 

EDIT3: I guess the gamefiles refer to to your squadmates as "henchmen" so the script above is a little more legit than I originally thought. 

If this is legit then... mother of univese!

[DirtyPhoenix]

DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Soo.. we have a leak of the EC?

At this point, if there is any leak, then it's what Bioware wants us to see.

Most "leaks" are like that anyway.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Soo.. we have a leak of the EC?

At this point, if there is any leak, then it's what Bioware wants us to see.

I would suspect that to be the case with most "leaks" within the gaming industry as a whole, at least from my experience.

Most "leaks" seems to only confirm the development of certain games allready rumored in development shortly before their official announcement or similar.

Also certain companies seem to almost never "leak" anything (Nintendo and Valve beeing two).

This is purely my own observations, but I think more often than not that a "leak" is intentional to start building hype towards a certain game or to get a certain reaction from the target audience.

[MadRabbit999]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Soo.. we have a leak of the EC?

At this point, if there is any leak, then it's what Bioware wants us to see.

I would suspect that to be the case with most "leaks" within the gaming industry as a whole, at least from my experience.

Most "leaks" seems to only confirm the development of certain games allready rumored in development shortly before their official announcement or similar.

Also certain companies seem to almost never "leak" anything (Nintendo and Valve beeing two).

This is purely my own observations, but I think more often than not that a "leak" is intentional to start building hype towards a certain game or to get a certain reaction from the target audience.

"Official" leaks in most cases also means infrigment of NDA which can result in the closure of the thread and they can legally force people to take disclosed NDA files down from their websites...

Being as this "leak" is still on these forums, I doubt it is legit...

[DJBare]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Soo.. we have a leak of the EC?

At this point, if there is any leak, then it's what Bioware wants us to see.

I would suspect that to be the case with most "leaks" within the gaming industry as a whole, at least from my experience.

Most "leaks" seems to only confirm the development of certain games allready rumored in development shortly before their official announcement or similar.

Also certain companies seem to almost never "leak" anything (Nintendo and Valve beeing two).

This is purely my own observations, but I think more often than not that a "leak" is intentional to start building hype towards a certain game or to get a certain reaction from the target audience.

The reason I "think" Bioware is deliberately leaking stuff, (e.g. the writers script embedded in the beta), is because they are attempted to mislead us as part of the story, it certainly fits in with the deception part of I.T, the information is half truths, which half is true?, well that's the best part, the mystery.

Modifié par DJBare, 16 mai 2012 - 09:18 .