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[Big Bad]

Big Bad wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

EpyonX3 - I'm not sure if you're still around at the moment or not, but I had a question from a discussion earlier in the day that I was hoping to ask you (I was at work at the time and could only lurk).

Earlier you said that you think the EC will mostly just be adding scenes that were cut either after they were "filmed" or before. I'm curious what you think about Casey Hudson's tweet about how if the fans only knew what BW had planned, their reaction to the end would be different. Obviously that says nothing specific about IT, but to me it sure seems to be implying that BW has had something up their sleeve since day one. What's your interpretation?

Could you maybe link me to that tweet? I remember Gamble saying almost the same thing just after launch in a tweet. Or are we mixing up things?

It's entirely possible that I mixed the two up, but I will look for a link.

Ok, I have not been able to find the original link, but I found a lot of references to the tweet, and it was apparently said by Hudson.  Gamble may have said something similar, I just don't remember.

This wrong.  It was Gamble.

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

Modifié par Big Bad, 06 juin 2012 - 01:39 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Big Bad wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

EpyonX3 - I'm not sure if you're still around at the moment or not, but I had a question from a discussion earlier in the day that I was hoping to ask you (I was at work at the time and could only lurk).

Earlier you said that you think the EC will mostly just be adding scenes that were cut either after they were "filmed" or before. I'm curious what you think about Casey Hudson's tweet about how if the fans only knew what BW had planned, their reaction to the end would be different. Obviously that says nothing specific about IT, but to me it sure seems to be implying that BW has had something up their sleeve since day one. What's your interpretation?

Could you maybe link me to that tweet? I remember Gamble saying almost the same thing just after launch in a tweet. Or are we mixing up things?

It's entirely possible that I mixed the two up, but I will look for a link.

Ok, I have not been able to find the original link, but I found a lot of references to the tweet, and it was apparently said by Hudson.  Gamble may have said something similar, I just don't remember.

If it helps, that tweet was dated sometime in March. Maybe about a week after the game's release.

[Riot86]

RussianZombeh wrote...

There should be no debate, the entire Presidium ring was lit up like a Christmas tree with Shepard in the middle, and the breath scene at the end had STONE RUBBLE. There is no stone on the Presidium (except the Krogan statue).

I know

I actually do share your opinion: Shepard could not have survived that kind of explosion, that whole "Citadel-destroyed" scene can't be real.

[BleedingUranium]

Riot86 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Further discussion of that topic is grounds for further admonishment.

Loved that scene

Did you notice it's Garrus? Now you'll never unnotice it

[Big Bad]

Hey Lexor,

Ignore what I said in my last post. It was Gamble who made that comment. See here:

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

[lex0r11]

Big Bad wrote...

Hey Lexor,

Ignore what I said in my last post. It was Gamble who made that comment. See here:

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

Wasn't there someone who told us to hold on to our savegames? I almost think they edited the tweets from savegames to just holding on to the copies. Or am I just going nuts?

*can't take the crazy anymore*

[Arian Dynas]

lex0r11 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Hey Lexor,

Ignore what I said in my last post. It was Gamble who made that comment. See here:

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

Wasn't there someone who told us to hold on to our savegames? I almost think they edited the tweets from savegames to just holding on to the copies. Or am I just going nuts?

*can't take the crazy anymore*

That was stated in the official twitter feed.

[llbountyhunter]

HellishFiend wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

You're still thinking too literally, there is no tube. Just like the "gun" in the Geth consensus was actually a kind of anti-virus software. It destroys things (in this case, Reaper code) so what does Shepard imagine? A gun. Because he's a soldier. Also, a Geth gun, because that's where he is (it's the cannon the Primes use BTW).

Imagine that you (as Shep) are in a blank room. You imagine destroying the Reapers, what comes to mind? The same tubes you destroyed to kill a Reaper before. It's not a virtual reality like the Matrix, where you're "in a dream" but fully conscious, with everything fully detailed. You're dreaming. Everything that's not super important doesn't seem to be there, but you don't notice. You don't have the ability to question things, everything makes sense at the time.

You can't replicate that in a game, because while you (not Shep you) are playing you'll be fully conscious and paying attention to things. That's how you have to think. Nothing in the dream is literal.

I know that. -.-  The point is that if it's a construct of Shepard's mind that exists there against the Reaper's will, then why would they explain it to Shepard at all? The only explanation is that Starbinger's dialog is partially influenced by Shepard, and I dont buy that. We got that part over and done with in the Anderson/TIM scene. 

well, the choices probably woudlnt be explained like that in a dream, shepard would just know what they did.

so bioware added the starbrat to axplain it for us, while also giving reaperbeiber a negative tone on destroy.

[Riot86]

lex0r11 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Hey Lexor,

Ignore what I said in my last post. It was Gamble who made that comment. See here:

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

Wasn't there someone who told us to hold on to our savegames? I almost think they edited the tweets from savegames to just holding on to the copies. Or am I just going nuts?

*can't take the crazy anymore*

I think you mean the tweet that was also mentionend in AngyJoe's IT video: www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Riot86, 06 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[Turbo_J]

Riot86 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

There should be no debate, the entire Presidium ring was lit up like a Christmas tree with Shepard in the middle, and the breath scene at the end had STONE RUBBLE. There is no stone on the Presidium (except the Krogan statue).

I know

I actually do share your opinion: Shepard could not have survived that kind of explosion, that whole "Citadel-destroyed" scene can't be real.

I'm behind by more than 10 pages in less than 12 hours but I wanted to get this out there because I commented on it earlier and someone refuted it or claimed it was not so... but I verified it in my own capture.

Shepard never left London. Big Ben is clearly visible in the background of the breath scene. It's irrefutable unless the breath scene itself is a hallucination.

The clock is nowhere near the beam IIRC, so Now I just have to find Big Ben in the orientation seen in the breath scene and we can determine approximately where the indoctrination/hallucination started.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 06 juin 2012 - 02:27 .

[Starbuck8]

Turbo_J wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

There should be no debate, the entire Presidium ring was lit up like a Christmas tree with Shepard in the middle, and the breath scene at the end had STONE RUBBLE. There is no stone on the Presidium (except the Krogan statue).

I know

I actually do share your opinion: Shepard could not have survived that kind of explosion, that whole "Citadel-destroyed" scene can't be real.

I'm behind by more than 10 pages in less than 12 hours but I wanted to get this out there because I commented on it earlier and someone refuted it or claimed it was not so... but I verified it in my own capture.

Shepard never left London. Big Ben is clearly visible in the background of the breath scene. It's irrefutable unless the breath scene itself is a hallucination.

The clock is nowhere near the beam IIRC, so Now I just have to find Big Ben in the orientation seen in the breath scene and we can determine approximately where the indoctrination/hallucination started.

Oh sweet. Do you have an image or video where you can see Big Ben? I haven't seen that evidence before.

[BleedingUranium]

Turbo_J wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

There should be no debate, the entire Presidium ring was lit up like a Christmas tree with Shepard in the middle, and the breath scene at the end had STONE RUBBLE. There is no stone on the Presidium (except the Krogan statue).

I know

I actually do share your opinion: Shepard could not have survived that kind of explosion, that whole "Citadel-destroyed" scene can't be real.

I'm behind by more than 10 pages in less than 12 hours but I wanted to get this out there because I commented on it earlier and someone refuted it or claimed it was not so... but I verified it in my own capture.

Shepard never left London. Big Ben is clearly visible in the background of the breath scene. It's irrefutable unless the breath scene itself is a hallucination.

The clock is nowhere near the beam IIRC, so Now I just have to find Big Ben in the orientation seen in the breath scene and we can determine approximately where the indoctrination/hallucination started.

I'm interested, pics?

[FreddyCast]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

There should be no debate, the entire Presidium ring was lit up like a Christmas tree with Shepard in the middle, and the breath scene at the end had STONE RUBBLE. There is no stone on the Presidium (except the Krogan statue).

I know

I actually do share your opinion: Shepard could not have survived that kind of explosion, that whole "Citadel-destroyed" scene can't be real.

I'm behind by more than 10 pages in less than 12 hours but I wanted to get this out there because I commented on it earlier and someone refuted it or claimed it was not so... but I verified it in my own capture.

Shepard never left London. Big Ben is clearly visible in the background of the breath scene. It's irrefutable unless the breath scene itself is a hallucination.

The clock is nowhere near the beam IIRC, so Now I just have to find Big Ben in the orientation seen in the breath scene and we can determine approximately where the indoctrination/hallucination started.

Oh sweet. Do you have an image or video where you can see Big Ben? I haven't seen that evidence before.

I don't see Big Ben in the Breath scene. Can you clarify?

[Big Bad]

Turbo_J wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

There should be no debate, the entire Presidium ring was lit up like a Christmas tree with Shepard in the middle, and the breath scene at the end had STONE RUBBLE. There is no stone on the Presidium (except the Krogan statue).

I know

I actually do share your opinion: Shepard could not have survived that kind of explosion, that whole "Citadel-destroyed" scene can't be real.

I'm behind by more than 10 pages in less than 12 hours but I wanted to get this out there because I commented on it earlier and someone refuted it or claimed it was not so... but I verified it in my own capture.

Shepard never left London. Big Ben is clearly visible in the background of the breath scene. It's irrefutable unless the breath scene itself is a hallucination.

The clock is nowhere near the beam IIRC, so Now I just have to find Big Ben in the orientation seen in the breath scene and we can determine approximately where the indoctrination/hallucination started.

Pics or it didn't happen. 

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger has viewed the breath scene over 100 times and hasnt seen Big Ben...

[FreddyCast]

Can anyone please send me a link where you can view the Breath Scene with full brightness and clirity as well as in HD? The youtube vids are just too dark and blurry.

[Riot86]

Guess this was brought up before, but I mention it nonetheless:

Just played the N7: Fuel Reactor assignment. You know, the one with Reaper tech (barrier generators) and Husks and Marauders all over the place. In side-missions I tend to use squadmates I usually don't pick, so for this mission I took James and EDI with me.

When using the crane control, EDI notes that if someone else is there, they sure seem to be quit. And James responds "Yeah, I feel like we're being watched." (i50.tinypic.com/5chnih.jpg)

As disussed earlier in this thread, James could be one of the squadmates who may also affected by Indoctrination. Having him mention, he feels being watched while being surrounded by Reaper tech and -troops might be another hint in that direction.

Modifié par Riot86, 06 juin 2012 - 02:51 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Why not list all the Anti-IT arguments alongside the appropriate IT counter-arguments. That way less time can be wasted debating things that have already been argued into the ground.

[Riot86]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Further discussion of that topic is grounds for further admonishment.

Loved that scene

Did you notice it's Garrus? Now you'll never unnotice it

DAMN YOU, BleedingUranium!!
Now I can't get the image of Garrus analyzing feces out of my head

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger has viewed the breath scene over 100 times and hasnt seen Big Ben...

I'm gunslinger_ruiz and I approve this message.

Also I think I'm around 200-250 views now, starting to hear something else behing the initial medely of noise in the beginning. Sounds almost like an echo of the noise but not quite.

[Makrys]

Guys... do we honestly think Mac Walters and Casey Hudson are brilliant enough to think up the IT though? They alone crafted the end. I am just doubtful that Walters could write something so complicated and brilliant. The guy has not impressed me with his plot writing. I'm beginning to become a bit doubtful of the IT, personally.

Which saddens me...

[dmay7]

 Ok guys, I took some pics of the breathe scene for analysis of stuff I thought was weird and would like some input.



What is that thing? Is that some sort of stasis pod or something? I honestly have no clue. It seems torpedo shaped. The resolution isn't the greatest, but you will know what I'm talking about if you watch it.


Ok, few things here. First thing on the left, it doesn't look like rubble, but some sort of artificial structure. The thing next to it to me seems like some sort of Reaper Tech, like Dragons Teeth or something like that...which leads to...


Again, apologize for the resolution. If you watch the vid, it looks a lot clearer. First thing is the red thing near the center. It appears to be directly below or on Shepard...and it's red...like Reaper red. When watching the vid, it looked like some kind of running light for a device or something like that. Now the thing on the right, I think that's the building we've been talking about. It looks like smoke here, but by watching the video, it looks more concrete.

Link the a high res vid:
www.youtube.com/watch

Thoughts?

Modifié par dmay7, 06 juin 2012 - 03:03 .

[dreamgazer]

Makrys wrote...

Guys... do we honestly think Mac Walters and Casey Hudson are brilliant enough to think up the IT though? They alone crafted the end. I am just doubtful that Walters could write something so complicated and brilliant. The guy has not impressed me with his plot writing. I'm beginning to become a bit doubtful of the IT, personally.

Which saddens me...

Just because they may have closed themselves off and hammered out the framework of the end, it doesn't mean they didn't have input from everybody for the way it ties to the rest of the game. Lots of folks had their hands on ME3, so the Walters-Hudson duo woudn't be the sole ones responsible for the establishment and lead-in.

We don't have a clear picture of what really went on behind the curtain.

[Turbo_J]

Riot86 wrote...

Guess this was brought up before, but I mention it nonetheless:

Just played the N7: Fuel Reactor assignment. You know, the one with Reaper tech (barrier generators) and Husks and Marauders all over the place. In side-missions I tend to use squadmates I usually don't pick, so for this mission I took James and EDI with me.

When using the crane control, EDI notes that if someone else is there, they sure seem to be quit. And James responds "Yeah, I feel like we're being watched." (i50.tinypic.com/5chnih.jpg)

As disussed earlier in this thread, James could be one of the squadmates who may also affected by Indoctrination. Having him mention, he feels being watched while being surrounded by Reaper tech and -troops might be another hint in that direction.

You hear that hum? Is that just me?

I don't know what more people need to hear from him than that quote, but he says stuff similar to the fuel reactor mission throughout the game. Some other squadies may, but I'm limited in who I take because I play on hard or insanity most of the time - even the good ones dies too fast.

Anyway; I think BW was counting on new  players bonding with him and he likely has the most obvious lines that tie into Indoctrination.

I need to do a few playthroughs and take everyone so I can dissect the dialog.

[Turbo_J]

Big Bad wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

There should be no debate, the entire Presidium ring was lit up like a Christmas tree with Shepard in the middle, and the breath scene at the end had STONE RUBBLE. There is no stone on the Presidium (except the Krogan statue).

I know

I actually do share your opinion: Shepard could not have survived that kind of explosion, that whole "Citadel-destroyed" scene can't be real.

I'm behind by more than 10 pages in less than 12 hours but I wanted to get this out there because I commented on it earlier and someone refuted it or claimed it was not so... but I verified it in my own capture.

Shepard never left London. Big Ben is clearly visible in the background of the breath scene. It's irrefutable unless the breath scene itself is a hallucination.

The clock is nowhere near the beam IIRC, so Now I just have to find Big Ben in the orientation seen in the breath scene and we can determine approximately where the indoctrination/hallucination started.

Pics or it didn't happen. 

I'm working on it. Had to run out to get some Monster Java and when I got back my system was down. I have an XFX 6870 2 Gig DDR 5. Already blew one up and I think this one is faulty too. It's hitting 102C even after I underclocked it. Hopefully I'll get at least a pic up in a min.