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[dreamgazer]

Makrys wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makrys wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makrys wrote...

So what about the EC? If the IT is true, Biowas has basically lied though. We did not get what they promised before release. And Gamble has said the EC was not planned and that it only happened because of the backlash. Is he lying, or is that true? I've always assumed he was lying because PR told him to so that the IT plan wouldn't be revealed.

Like it or not, ME3 is a complete game in its current form. 

It didn't have an ending, so I don't consider that complete. If the IT is true, the game did not end.

It did, though.  The ending's there, even if you don't like it.  In context of the game proper as it is over in my machine right now, you end the threat of the galaxy by following three paths with very different consequences.  

Implementing IT fully will be a different end with different context, as befitting an "extended cut" of a piece of media. But there's still an end. 

Uh... if the IT is true, how is the game over? Shepard awakes and still hasn't destroyed the Reapers. This goes into my whole thing about Bioware lying when they have the DLC message at the end. It seems that if the IT is true, Bioware has lied in one area or another. The ending message said Shepard had ended the Reaper threat. Game over, right? It doesn't make any sense.

You have to look at what's there now from a literal standpoint, and only interpret the devices as they're implemented in the game proper.  Can't look at it as simply having a piece of the game lopped off.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

balance5050 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Right... I'm just saying that to think that those chunks are anything but the crucible forgets what the citadel is made of, check my edit.

I remember we're on the same side but disinformation is a nono to me, the chunks are the crucuble, the citadel isn't that brittle.

It sounds like we're on the same page. I didnt mean to imply that I didnt believe those bits were from the Crucible, I just want to make sure we're careful with the manner in which we cite things. 

You're right, I need to stay grounded. Thanks Hellish. We need to blast out some more gold rounds later 

Whoawhoawhoa you're knocking out gold rounds? I've managed to knock out 3 in all my hours of MP (750 N7 rating) are you guys on PC?

No Xbox, and N7 ranking doesn't necessarily mean skill (except for Hellish's obscene ranking ) The jump in difficulty is bigger going from bronze to silver than from silver to gold. If you are playing silver already you might as well jump to gold IMO.

And to be honest, most of my gold victories come from Geth on Firebase White, most, not all.

Ah nice, only been in one of those with my 20 adept. Sound strategy holding out in there but not so good when no on leaves to do objectives. Team I was with was solid, everyone moved together to get thigns done, died a couple times but not everyone at once . I can jump into most silvers without too much difficulty, just really depends on the teamwork or absence of it. Gold scares me sometimes...

[Arian Dynas]

As I have been forced to point out multiple times the phrase "Ended the reaper threat" means nothing. They could be referring to the fact that the Reapers are dead, that they left Earth, or that they turned into gigantic globs of icecream. IT MEANS NOTHING. "Ended the Reaper threat" could just as easily mean "Ended the Reaper threat to his own mind, winning the battle against indoctrination."

[UrgentArchengel]

If I were to add to the ending, I would stick that part about Ending the Reaper threat after, IT or not. As Arian has stated, it is baseless, it means nothing. It's just an Advertisment to give EA your money.

[Makrys]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makrys wrote...

So what about the EC? If the IT is true, Biowas has basically lied though. We did not get what they promised before release. And Gamble has said the EC was not planned and that it only happened because of the backlash. Is he lying, or is that true? I've always assumed he was lying because PR told him to so that the IT plan wouldn't be revealed.

Like it or not, ME3 is a complete game in its current form. 

It didn't have an ending, so I don't consider that complete. If the IT is true, the game did not end.

Shepard charges into the beam, gets shot by Harbinger, goes into his own mind and fights a mental battle with the villian of the series, wins and wakes up. That's an ending. It's a cliffhanger ending but it is a ending nonetheless.

Considering Hudson said this was the end of Shepard's story, a cliffhanger ending is not an ending. They promised it would have closure. It did not. And we see Shepard alive at the end. Bottom line: if the IT is true, Bioware shipped an incomplete game. It had no ending. But instead an ending to be added on at a later time.

I'm not necessarily against this, but its just seemingly a fact. The game implies it isn't over yet. Which means, without DLC the game doesn't end. If Shepard is still alive and the Reapers have not yet been destroyed, which is the case of the IT, then how has Shepard's story come to an end and Hudson's claims been proven?

[Riot86]

balance5050 wrote...

Right.... either way it's a very powerful explosion that Shepard couldn't possible have lived through.

Agreed

And I guess, we should stop arguing about the debris now, as we actually are both trying to prove the same thing. Bottom line is this: we both believe the Crucible CAN be seen in the endsequence - you think it is the debris drifting away from the explosion, I think it is the small black circle at the base of the beam.

Modifié par Riot86, 06 juin 2012 - 04:39 .

[Makrys]

Arian Dynas wrote...

As I have been forced to point out multiple times the phrase "Ended the reaper threat" means nothing. They could be referring to the fact that the Reapers are dead, that they left Earth, or that they turned into gigantic globs of icecream. IT MEANS NOTHING. "Ended the Reaper threat" could just as easily mean "Ended the Reaper threat to his own mind, winning the battle against indoctrination."

That would be very deceiving and borderline lying.

Modifié par Makrys, 06 juin 2012 - 04:37 .

[balance5050]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Ah nice, only been in one of those with my 20 adept. Sound strategy holding out in there but not so good when no on leaves to do objectives. Team I was with was solid, everyone moved together to get thigns done, died a couple times but not everyone at once . I can jump into most silvers without too much difficulty, just really depends on the teamwork or absence of it. Gold scares me sometimes...

Team work makes or breaks a gold game usually. I found that bunkering down in a room that has cover an few entrances works pretty well, you just have to know when to bail if s*** hits the fan.

[Makrys]

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end if the IT is true. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT. So its not a stretch to think they also lied in this context.

Unless of course they viewed the game as including the EC. Then they made all these claims about the ending, but only with the EC content attached, knowing full well what it would be.

That would be clear deception though.

Modifié par Makrys, 06 juin 2012 - 04:40 .

[balance5050]

Riot86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Right.... either way it's a very powerful explosion that Shepard couldn't possible have lived through.

Agreed

And I guess, we should stop arguing about the debris now, as we are actually both tring to prove the same thing. Bottom line is this: we both believe the Crucible CAN be seen in the endsequence - you think it is the debris drifting away from the explosion, I think it is the small black circle at the base of the beam.

I can live with this *brofist*

[Unschuld]

This isn't exactly new news about developers lying about videogames, it's even on the trope page that was linked. Regarding "ME3 doesn't need MP to get 'the best' ending", that wasn't a lie actually. I already posted my views on things that are "the best" earlier today, but it was more skirting the truth than an outright lie. You can increase EMS with the datapad app and the Infiltrator game (which are not MP) in order to max your EMS.

[Arian Dynas]

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makrys wrote...

So what about the EC? If the IT is true, Biowas has basically lied though. We did not get what they promised before release. And Gamble has said the EC was not planned and that it only happened because of the backlash. Is he lying, or is that true? I've always assumed he was lying because PR told him to so that the IT plan wouldn't be revealed.

Like it or not, ME3 is a complete game in its current form. 

It didn't have an ending, so I don't consider that complete. If the IT is true, the game did not end.

Shepard charges into the beam, gets shot by Harbinger, goes into his own mind and fights a mental battle with the villian of the series, wins and wakes up. That's an ending. It's a cliffhanger ending but it is a ending nonetheless.

Considering Hudson said this was the end of Shepard's story, a cliffhanger ending is not an ending. They promised it would have closure. It did not. And we see Shepard alive at the end. Bottom line: if the IT is true, Bioware shipped an incomplete game. It had no ending. But instead an ending to be added on at a later time.

I'm not necessarily against this, but its just seemingly a fact. The game implies it isn't over yet. Which means, without DLC the game doesn't end. If Shepard is still alive and the Reapers have not yet been destroyed, which is the case of the IT, then how has Shepard's story come to an end and Hudson's claims been proven?

He said Mass Effect 3 is the ending of Shepard's story yet. Since there is still more DLC to come, we haven't gotten all of Mass Effect 3 yet have we? This is right now Mass Effect 3, Part 1. Part 2 comes in the summer.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

As I have been forced to point out multiple times the phrase "Ended the reaper threat" means nothing. They could be referring to the fact that the Reapers are dead, that they left Earth, or that they turned into gigantic globs of icecream. IT MEANS NOTHING. "Ended the Reaper threat" could just as easily mean "Ended the Reaper threat to his own mind, winning the battle against indoctrination."

Now thats what I call a sticky situation!

[balance5050]

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

Why are you complaining though? You're getting the additional ending at no extra charge anyway so what's the schism?

[Arian Dynas]

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

We know you're not, this is just us making you think and answering your questions.

[Boradam]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makrys wrote...

So what about the EC? If the IT is true, Biowas has basically lied though. We did not get what they promised before release. And Gamble has said the EC was not planned and that it only happened because of the backlash. Is he lying, or is that true? I've always assumed he was lying because PR told him to so that the IT plan wouldn't be revealed.

Like it or not, ME3 is a complete game in its current form. 

It didn't have an ending, so I don't consider that complete. If the IT is true, the game did not end.

Shepard charges into the beam, gets shot by Harbinger, goes into his own mind and fights a mental battle with the villian of the series, wins and wakes up. That's an ending. It's a cliffhanger ending but it is a ending nonetheless.

Considering Hudson said this was the end of Shepard's story, a cliffhanger ending is not an ending. They promised it would have closure. It did not. And we see Shepard alive at the end. Bottom line: if the IT is true, Bioware shipped an incomplete game. It had no ending. But instead an ending to be added on at a later time.

I'm not necessarily against this, but its just seemingly a fact. The game implies it isn't over yet. Which means, without DLC the game doesn't end. If Shepard is still alive and the Reapers have not yet been destroyed, which is the case of the IT, then how has Shepard's story come to an end and Hudson's claims been proven?

He said Mass Effect 3 is the ending of Shepard's story yet. Since there is still more DLC to come, we haven't gotten all of Mass Effect 3 yet have we? This is right now Mass Effect 3, Part 1. Part 2 comes in the summer.

I think of it as being similar to The Matrix: Reloaded and Revolutions, they are both two different movies, but they follow the same plotline and were released very closely as a two-part story. (albiet ME3 will probably go down as the more favorable for me)

[Arian Dynas]

Unschuld wrote...

This isn't exactly new news about developers lying about videogames, it's even on the trope page that was linked. Regarding "ME3 doesn't need MP to get 'the best' ending", that wasn't a lie actually. I already posted my views on things that are "the best" earlier today, but it was more skirting the truth than an outright lie. You can increase EMS with the datapad app and the Infiltrator game (which are not MP) in order to max your EMS.

I still think this is the case, you can get the best ending with 3000 EMS, but you need more EMS to get to see more hints and "easter eggs" which are basically teasers, like when you watch past the credits in Iron Man you get a teaser for the Avengers.

[dreamgazer]

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As I have been forced to point out multiple times the phrase "Ended the reaper threat" means nothing. They could be referring to the fact that the Reapers are dead, that they left Earth, or that they turned into gigantic globs of icecream. IT MEANS NOTHING. "Ended the Reaper threat" could just as easily mean "Ended the Reaper threat to his own mind, winning the battle against indoctrination."

That would be very deceiving and borderline lying.

Nah, it just leaves room to add content once you've closed the back cover on Shepard's story.

Which would you be more interested in in terms of DLC: an added chapter in the middle of the story after you've seen how everything's tied up, or further developments built around the end?

[Makrys]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makrys wrote...

So what about the EC? If the IT is true, Biowas has basically lied though. We did not get what they promised before release. And Gamble has said the EC was not planned and that it only happened because of the backlash. Is he lying, or is that true? I've always assumed he was lying because PR told him to so that the IT plan wouldn't be revealed.

Like it or not, ME3 is a complete game in its current form. 

It didn't have an ending, so I don't consider that complete. If the IT is true, the game did not end.

Shepard charges into the beam, gets shot by Harbinger, goes into his own mind and fights a mental battle with the villian of the series, wins and wakes up. That's an ending. It's a cliffhanger ending but it is a ending nonetheless.

Considering Hudson said this was the end of Shepard's story, a cliffhanger ending is not an ending. They promised it would have closure. It did not. And we see Shepard alive at the end. Bottom line: if the IT is true, Bioware shipped an incomplete game. It had no ending. But instead an ending to be added on at a later time.

I'm not necessarily against this, but its just seemingly a fact. The game implies it isn't over yet. Which means, without DLC the game doesn't end. If Shepard is still alive and the Reapers have not yet been destroyed, which is the case of the IT, then how has Shepard's story come to an end and Hudson's claims been proven?

He said Mass Effect 3 is the ending of Shepard's story yet. Since there is still more DLC to come, we haven't gotten all of Mass Effect 3 yet have we? This is right now Mass Effect 3, Part 1. Part 2 comes in the summer.

And to those who don't have internet connections? Bioware just forgets them? 

Basically, if you don't have internet, you don't get to see the ending to the trilogy.

[byne]

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


He said Mass Effect 3 is the ending of Shepard's story yet. Since there is still more DLC to come, we haven't gotten all of Mass Effect 3 yet have we? This is right now Mass Effect 3, Part 1. Part 2 comes in the summer.

And to those who don't have internet connections? Bioware just forgets them? 

Basically, if you don't have internet, you don't get to see the ending to the trilogy.

Yup, sucks to be them.

But to be honest, if you dont have broadband by now, you're probably used to getting screwed over. BioWare shouldnt be forced to account for the fact that broadband access sucks in America. It isnt their fault.

[balance5050]

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makrys wrote...

So what about the EC? If the IT is true, Biowas has basically lied though. We did not get what they promised before release. And Gamble has said the EC was not planned and that it only happened because of the backlash. Is he lying, or is that true? I've always assumed he was lying because PR told him to so that the IT plan wouldn't be revealed.

Like it or not, ME3 is a complete game in its current form. 

It didn't have an ending, so I don't consider that complete. If the IT is true, the game did not end.

Shepard charges into the beam, gets shot by Harbinger, goes into his own mind and fights a mental battle with the villian of the series, wins and wakes up. That's an ending. It's a cliffhanger ending but it is a ending nonetheless.

Considering Hudson said this was the end of Shepard's story, a cliffhanger ending is not an ending. They promised it would have closure. It did not. And we see Shepard alive at the end. Bottom line: if the IT is true, Bioware shipped an incomplete game. It had no ending. But instead an ending to be added on at a later time.

I'm not necessarily against this, but its just seemingly a fact. The game implies it isn't over yet. Which means, without DLC the game doesn't end. If Shepard is still alive and the Reapers have not yet been destroyed, which is the case of the IT, then how has Shepard's story come to an end and Hudson's claims been proven?

He said Mass Effect 3 is the ending of Shepard's story yet. Since there is still more DLC to come, we haven't gotten all of Mass Effect 3 yet have we? This is right now Mass Effect 3, Part 1. Part 2 comes in the summer.

And to those who don't have internet connections? Bioware just forgets them? 

Basically, if you don't have internet, you don't get to see the ending to the trilogy.

People without internet can't play entire games, you've heard of constant net connection DRM right? 

[Arian Dynas]

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As I have been forced to point out multiple times the phrase "Ended the reaper threat" means nothing. They could be referring to the fact that the Reapers are dead, that they left Earth, or that they turned into gigantic globs of icecream. IT MEANS NOTHING. "Ended the Reaper threat" could just as easily mean "Ended the Reaper threat to his own mind, winning the battle against indoctrination."

That would be very deceiving and borderline lying.

Wrong.

No offense, but you have a veiw about lying as naive as that of a friend of mine.

They misrepresented themselves, which is different than lying. Lying is stating things that are patently untrue. Misrepresentation is giving certain implications and allowing your audience to draw incorrect assumptions from that. One is legal in marketing, the other isn't.

[Makrys]

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

Why are you complaining though? You're getting the additional ending at no extra charge anyway so what's the schism?

I'm not complaining. Just frustrated that a company I love would lie to sell their product. Is it common practice? Sure. Just never thought Bioware would stoop that low. Assuming they did lie.

So I'm just disapointed, is all.

[Bill Casey]

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end if the IT is true.

So?

[Unschuld]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

This isn't exactly new news about developers lying about videogames, it's even on the trope page that was linked. Regarding "ME3 doesn't need MP to get 'the best' ending", that wasn't a lie actually. I already posted my views on things that are "the best" earlier today, but it was more skirting the truth than an outright lie. You can increase EMS with the datapad app and the Infiltrator game (which are not MP) in order to max your EMS.

I still think this is the case, you can get the best ending with 3000 EMS, but you need more EMS to get to see more hints and "easter eggs" which are basically teasers, like when you watch past the credits in Iron Man you get a teaser for the Avengers.

Exactly.