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[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


He said Mass Effect 3 is the ending of Shepard's story yet. Since there is still more DLC to come, we haven't gotten all of Mass Effect 3 yet have we? This is right now Mass Effect 3, Part 1. Part 2 comes in the summer.

And to those who don't have internet connections? Bioware just forgets them? 

Basically, if you don't have internet, you don't get to see the ending to the trilogy.

Yup, sucks to be them.

But to be honest, if you dont have broadband by now, you're probably used to getting screwed over. BioWare shouldnt be forced to account for the fact that broadband access sucks in America. It isnt their fault.

That's the cold hard facts of buisness dude. To EA the people without internet connections, well they already got as much money out of them as they are going to get since they won't play MP and they won't buy DLC. It's unleasant, but well there it is.

[dreamgazer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

They misrepresented themselves, which is different than lying. Lying is stating things that are patently untrue. Misrepresentation is giving certain implications and allowing your audience to draw incorrect assumptions from that. One is legal in marketing, the other isn't.

Heh.  The same exact description could be slapped on the catalyst. (laughs)

[balance5050]

Makrys wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

Why are you complaining though? You're getting the additional ending at no extra charge anyway so what's the schism?

I'm not complaining. Just frustrated that a company I love would lie to sell their product. Is it common practice? Sure. Just never thought Bioware would stoop that low. Assuming they did lie.

So I'm just disapointed, is all.

You should'nt be dissapointed by the game though, or even Bioware, be dissapointed in EA and the industry.

[dreamgazer]

Bear in mind: players without internet connections still can't experience the Arrival DLC for ME2.

[byne]

Makrys wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

Why are you complaining though? You're getting the additional ending at no extra charge anyway so what's the schism?

I'm not complaining. Just frustrated that a company I love would lie to sell their product. Is it common practice? Sure. Just never thought Bioware would stoop that low. Assuming they did lie.

So I'm just disapointed, is all.

BioWare claimed there would be a Reapers win ending.

BioWare claimed there would ne no Reaper off-switch.

BioWare claimed it wouldnt be like any tradition ending where you can easily say you got ending A, B, or C.

BioWare claimed the rachni would play a huge part in the game, even in just the final battle.

If you're assuming IT being true means they lied, IT not being true means they lied a hell of a lot more.

[Makrys]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As I have been forced to point out multiple times the phrase "Ended the reaper threat" means nothing. They could be referring to the fact that the Reapers are dead, that they left Earth, or that they turned into gigantic globs of icecream. IT MEANS NOTHING. "Ended the Reaper threat" could just as easily mean "Ended the Reaper threat to his own mind, winning the battle against indoctrination."

That would be very deceiving and borderline lying.

Wrong.

No offense, but you have a veiw about lying as naive as that of a friend of mine.

They misrepresented themselves, which is different than lying. Lying is stating things that are patently untrue. Misrepresentation is giving certain implications and allowing your audience to draw incorrect assumptions from that. One is legal in marketing, the other isn't.

You're claiming Bioware is brilliant enough to pull off the EC, yet easily misinterprets themselves with the final message of the game? Right. And personally, you come off as quite naive to think that they haven't lied.

Hudson himself said the end wouldn't be an A, B, C, decision. Oh, wait it was.

Gamble said we wouldn't get a bespoke ending for everyone. The endings were the same barring minor differences.

[UrgentArchengel]

The Internet connection argument is pointless. Companies are going to most likely have downloadable only games for upcoming systems. I am talking about the PS4 and NeXtBox 720. You'll need to have an Internet connection to play next-gen, period.

[Turbo_J]

Wow is this thread moving fast. I posted a pic of the clock in the breath scene and it's pages back without a word.

I'm also at the hades cannon and that is where the clock is. So my guess as to where the hallucinations/indoctrination started may be accurate... both shuttles, not just the heavy weapon shuttle, but both, went down in this area...

The white pulsing light in the run to the beam could be the Hades still firing.

I'll post the pic again, along with one of the clock by the Hades if anyone is interested. I think that blue and red we see under where the clock is in the background could be part of a buried UT47-A.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 06 juin 2012 - 04:54 .

[Makrys]

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

Why are you complaining though? You're getting the additional ending at no extra charge anyway so what's the schism?

I'm not complaining. Just frustrated that a company I love would lie to sell their product. Is it common practice? Sure. Just never thought Bioware would stoop that low. Assuming they did lie.

So I'm just disapointed, is all.

You should'nt be dissapointed by the game though, or even Bioware, be dissapointed in EA and the industry.

I AM dissapointed with EA.  I hate EA for rushing them. But if the IT is true, Bioware lied pre-release. 

[Makrys]

dreamgazer wrote...

Bear in mind: players without internet connections still can't experience the Arrival DLC for ME2.

It wasn't required to finish the game. It just connected the events to ME3. You did not need to play it in order to experience everything you needed to experience in ME2. It was simply an add on. Not the end of the plot to the game.

[balance5050]

Makrys wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

Why are you complaining though? You're getting the additional ending at no extra charge anyway so what's the schism?

I'm not complaining. Just frustrated that a company I love would lie to sell their product. Is it common practice? Sure. Just never thought Bioware would stoop that low. Assuming they did lie.

So I'm just disapointed, is all.

You should'nt be dissapointed by the game though, or even Bioware, be dissapointed in EA and the industry.

I AM dissapointed with EA.  I hate EA for rushing them. But if the IT is true, Bioware lied pre-release. 

Yep, deception is how indoctrination works......

[Makrys]

byne wrote...

Makrys wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

Why are you complaining though? You're getting the additional ending at no extra charge anyway so what's the schism?

I'm not complaining. Just frustrated that a company I love would lie to sell their product. Is it common practice? Sure. Just never thought Bioware would stoop that low. Assuming they did lie.

So I'm just disapointed, is all.

BioWare claimed there would be a Reapers win ending.

BioWare claimed there would ne no Reaper off-switch.

BioWare claimed it wouldnt be like any tradition ending where you can easily say you got ending A, B, or C.

BioWare claimed the rachni would play a huge part in the game, even in just the final battle.

If you're assuming IT being true means they lied, IT not being true means they lied a hell of a lot more.

No, I'm saying with the IT Bioware still lied about the ending. They lied regardless, is my point. If the IT is true, they still lied. That's all I'm saying.

[balance5050]

Makrys wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Bear in mind: players without internet connections still can't experience the Arrival DLC for ME2.

It wasn't required to finish the game. It just connected the events to ME3. You did not need to play it in order to experience everything you needed to experience in ME2. It was simply an add on. Not the end of the plot to the game.

Online is required to get the best ending (Shepard_Alive)....

Modifié par balance5050, 06 juin 2012 - 04:56 .

[Turbo_J]

Maybe I'll come back later. Seems the conversation has devolved.

[Big G13]

byne wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


He said Mass Effect 3 is the ending of Shepard's story yet. Since there is still more DLC to come, we haven't gotten all of Mass Effect 3 yet have we? This is right now Mass Effect 3, Part 1. Part 2 comes in the summer.

And to those who don't have internet connections? Bioware just forgets them? 

Basically, if you don't have internet, you don't get to see the ending to the trilogy.

Yup, sucks to be them.

But to be honest, if you dont have broadband by now, you're probably used to getting screwed over. BioWare shouldnt be forced to account for the fact that broadband access sucks in America. It isnt their fault.

No, I never get use to being screwed over. And if video companies are going to start setting conditions that require their customers to buy product, equipment,that they don't otherwise need, just to finish a game that I bought in a store, all for the sake of a larger marketing strategy, then they have lost me. And the apparent fact that so many are so willing to be rolled over buy a game company, makes me sad.

Modifié par Big G13, 06 juin 2012 - 04:59 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Actually, IT isn't really an ending, with EC the "real" ending is to come, and they may've not lied at all. It just really depends on what EC will be.

[Arian Dynas]

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As I have been forced to point out multiple times the phrase "Ended the reaper threat" means nothing. They could be referring to the fact that the Reapers are dead, that they left Earth, or that they turned into gigantic globs of icecream. IT MEANS NOTHING. "Ended the Reaper threat" could just as easily mean "Ended the Reaper threat to his own mind, winning the battle against indoctrination."

That would be very deceiving and borderline lying.

Wrong.

No offense, but you have a veiw about lying as naive as that of a friend of mine.

They misrepresented themselves, which is different than lying. Lying is stating things that are patently untrue. Misrepresentation is giving certain implications and allowing your audience to draw incorrect assumptions from that. One is legal in marketing, the other isn't.

You're claiming Bioware is brilliant enough to pull off the EC, yet easily misinterprets themselves with the final message of the game? Right. And personally, you come off as quite naive to think that they haven't lied.

Hudson himself said the end wouldn't be an A, B, C, decision. Oh, wait it was.

Gamble said we wouldn't get a bespoke ending for everyone. The endings were the same barring minor differences.

One, assuming IT all of those statements remain true.

And there is a difference between deception and lying. Is Bioware deciving us? Absolutely. Are they lying to us? No, partially because one is illegal.

[balance5050]

Big G13 wrote...

byne wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


He said Mass Effect 3 is the ending of Shepard's story yet. Since there is still more DLC to come, we haven't gotten all of Mass Effect 3 yet have we? This is right now Mass Effect 3, Part 1. Part 2 comes in the summer.

And to those who don't have internet connections? Bioware just forgets them? 

Basically, if you don't have internet, you don't get to see the ending to the trilogy.

Yup, sucks to be them.

But to be honest, if you dont have broadband by now, you're probably used to getting screwed over. BioWare shouldnt be forced to account for the fact that broadband access sucks in America. It isnt their fault.

No, I never get use to being screwed over. And if video companies are going to start setting conditions that require their customers to buy product, equipment,that they don't otherwise need, just to finish a game that I bought in a store, all for the sake of a larger marketing strategy, then they have lost me. And the apparent fact that so many are so willing to be rolled over buy a game company, makes me sad.

YOU'RE NOT GETTING SCREWED OVER! THE EC IS FREE AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!

[balance5050]

Bioware had to lie for the Indoctrination of the player.

[Arian Dynas]

Turbo_J wrote...

Wow is this thread moving fast. I posted a pic of the clock in the breath scene and it's pages back without a word.

I'm also at the hades cannon and that is where the clock is. So my guess as to where the hallucinations/indoctrination started may be accurate... both shuttles, not just the heavy weapon shuttle, but both, went down in this area...

The white pulsing light in the run to the beam could be the Hades still firing.

I'll post the pic again, along with one of the clock by the Hades if anyone is interested. I think that blue and red we see under where the clock is in the background could be part of a buried UT47-A.

It's a good thought, someone flycam the Hades Cannon and see if there are any Reaper cables around there.

[dreamgazer]

balance5050 wrote...

YOU'RE NOT GETTING SCREWED OVER! THE EC IS FREE AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!

I imagine the argument being posed is based on the principle of the matter (as I often do), but you made me chuckle, sir. 

[Tiberis]

Wow this thread moves so effing fast. . .

byne wrote...

BioWare claimed there would be a Reapers win ending.

BioWare claimed there would ne no Reaper off-switch.

BioWare claimed it wouldnt be like any tradition ending where you can easily say you got ending A, B, or C.

BioWare claimed the rachni would play a huge part in the game, even in just the final battle.

If you're assuming IT being true means they lied, IT not being true means they lied a hell of a lot more.

I wasn't watching a lot of the development, but I had heard about the expectations they gave us one way or another. I don't understand what happened because with my experience with ME2, I swore ME3 would be the game to have and would be epic. Even if IT means they lied more, I don't care if that means there will be future DLC that actually addresses the promises they made.

[Starbuck8]

Makrys wrote...

byne wrote...

Makrys wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I'm not arguing the fact that the IT is true. I'm arguing that Bioware DID lie about the end. As Casey said, they already lied about the ending even without IT.

Why are you complaining though? You're getting the additional ending at no extra charge anyway so what's the schism?

I'm not complaining. Just frustrated that a company I love would lie to sell their product. Is it common practice? Sure. Just never thought Bioware would stoop that low. Assuming they did lie.

So I'm just disapointed, is all.

BioWare claimed there would be a Reapers win ending.

BioWare claimed there would ne no Reaper off-switch.

BioWare claimed it wouldnt be like any tradition ending where you can easily say you got ending A, B, or C.

BioWare claimed the rachni would play a huge part in the game, even in just the final battle.

If you're assuming IT being true means they lied, IT not being true means they lied a hell of a lot more.

No, I'm saying with the IT Bioware still lied about the ending. They lied regardless, is my point. If the IT is true, they still lied. That's all I'm saying.

Here's my 2 cents on the situation:
Well honestly I'm not sure about the timing of all the announcements/trailers/promises leading up to the release, I wasn't paying attention to all that at the time. But I am aware from what people said that BioWare requested a 6 month extension and only got 3. My theory/guess, pure speculation, is that they intended to fulfill all these promises, but couldn't with the time constraints. I think that maybe they did the best with the time they got, and decided to use the time crunch to their advantage the best they could. They cut a lot of content and made the ending amiguous so that they could get the extra time after release to finish the game as they intended, and reveal the indoctrination twist in the EC. They've already had about 3 months and it's looking like they'll end up taking, what, 4-6 months to finish the ending they wanted to deliver.

BTW I have read Arian's theory about the marketing strategy surrounding the release and EC, and I think it's a great analysis, and potentially very close to the truth.

[dreamgazer]

Turbo_J wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

 Ok guys, I took some pics of the breathe scene for analysis of stuff I thought was weird and would like some input.



What is that thing? Is that some sort of stasis pod or something? I honestly have no clue. It seems torpedo shaped. The resolution isn't the greatest, but you will know what I'm talking about if you watch it.


Ok, few things here. First thing on the left, it doesn't look like rubble, but some sort of artificial structure. The thing next to it to me seems like some sort of Reaper Tech, like Dragons Teeth or something like that...which leads to...


Again, apologize for the resolution. If you watch the vid, it looks a lot clearer. First thing is the red thing near the center. It appears to be directly below or on Shepard...and it's red...like Reaper red. When watching the vid, it looked like some kind of running light for a device or something like that. Now the thing on the right, I think that's the building we've been talking about. It looks like smoke here, but by watching the video, it looks more concrete.

Link the a high res vid:
www.youtube.com/watch

Thoughts?

That does look like Big Ben!

You are close, but you are actually circling the space beside the clock tower... look a little to the left

It's visible twice. Once by the mako, and once after - where your shot is focused. I'm trying to clear up my image and then I'll highlight it the best I can.

In the mean time, here is a shot of when the clock first apears. With the smoke/fog, it's hard to see in the motion video.

Thought I'd resurface this for Turbo_J to get the conversation back on the speculative rails a bit. 

[balance5050]

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

YOU'RE NOT GETTING SCREWED OVER! THE EC IS FREE AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!

I imagine the argument being posed is based on the principle of the matter (as I often do), but you made me chuckle, sir. 

I just don't see how anyone is getting screwed over, gamers have always dreamed of having full internet connectivity with our games and now that we have it people complain? Is it so hard to not buy games if you don't fundamentally agree with the attached commercial BS? I have never been "screwed" over by a videogame. When games have dumb-a** DRM attached that hinders me from actually playing the game, I don't buy it. I always do my research or atleast know of the game I'm getting myself into...

ME3's ending isn't what I was expecting, I.T. gave me hope that more is to come, Bioware obliged with the announcement of the EC, and it's free...

Modifié par balance5050, 06 juin 2012 - 05:13 .