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[dreamgazer]

DistantUtopia wrote...

That's my main beef with IT, as much as I want to believe it (see my post above).  The game will always have a "true" ending.  For IT to be true, what is the true ending then?

With no added content from BioWare, a big portion of the "true ending"---at least from my perspective---exists in how you interpret the Shepard breath scene in the destroy ending, and whether you trust the catalyst.

The initial indoctrination thread became more than just proving or disproving whether BioWare planned a wake-up scene at the end of the game: It became about compiling evidence that the symptoms of indoctrination are scattered across the entirety of Mass Effect 3, and how they exponentially spike near the highly-surreal conclusion.  

[nightcobra]

estebanus wrote...

I've never seen TIM using the carnifex...

just watched again, yeah my mistake.

TIM uses anderson's predator

shepards uses carnifex up until the explosion.

[macrocarl]

Yeah new thread! Thanks for posting all the links OP

[DJBare]

byne wrote...

Finally! An excuse to use this picture!

*image snip*

*Looks out for Chris*

You are aware that it's this type of thing that got the last thread closed right?

I'm honestly not ragging on folk, but it's way off topic, these kind of things are best in PM's

[estebanus]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I've never seen TIM using the carnifex...

just watched again, yeah my mistake.

TIM uses anderson's predator

shepards uses carnifex up until the explosion.

Which just adds the question: Why does Anderson suddenly have a predator? I thought that he had a carnifex, as we can see right before we charged to the beam!

[mcgreggers99]

Well this thread is moving at a fairly healthy pace AND talking about IT to boot.

I'd say closing the last thread got us focused again.

[nightcobra]

 

DistantUtopia wrote...

As much as I'd like IT to be true, the more I think about it, I have a few questions that come to mind:

ME has always had a "canon" ending. It's just the way it works in the trilogy:
ME1 - Shepard defeats Sovereign
ME2 - Shepard defeats Collectors
ME3 - Shepard...???

This brings to mind the following questions:
1.) If IT is "real", would this imply "Destroy" is the true ending?
- In ME1/2, you didn't have alternate endings. You simply had alternate sub-plots opened (i.e. dead crew, saved Collector base). Why the sudden change now?
2.) If IT is "real" and "Destroy" is the true ending, where does that leave players that chose the other colors?
- My main concerns is that it seems clear that EA wants to milk the ME franchise for as much as it's worth. This means new games, regardless if it stars Shepard or not. Does this mean other games will assume Destroy is the true ending as well, discarding other players choices? To me, this implies that regardless of our Palette choice, there is still a "true" ending somewhere buried in the ending which isn't very obvious to me.

how about this:

remember matriarch benezia? she overcame the indocrination for a few moments and then died.
so what if a paragon/renegade (depending on your dominant tone) interrupt is shown during the entirity of the credits, pressing it makes you break free of the indocrination and so end the fight.

if you picked destroy, shepard lives as he/she didn't get indocrinated

if you picked the other two, shepard breaks through and resists enough time to bring down the reapers along with him/her

[The Invisible Commando]

Wait so to get the real ending I need to fire the Crucible so it can Destroy the Reapers the same way it did in the 'dream world'. Is that not just getting the same ending twice? Seriously.

Leave it up to Bioware to make a real ending? Why make a fake in the first place? If you believe in IT then you tell me what the real ending is or it all falls apart.

Modifié par The Invisible Commando, 14 mai 2012 - 05:52 .

[estebanus]

pirate1802 wrote...

Allen Spellwaver wrote...

I guess the lockdown of that thread reflected that IT is correct.

Lol that was my first thought when I saw the lockdown. We were staying pretty ontopic. Perhaps a little too ontopic?
*mysterious smile*

Ok, that seems like beyond grasping at emergency induction ports!

[Stigweird85]

DistantUtopia wrote...

As much as I'd like IT to be true, the more I think about it, I have a few questions that come to mind:

ME has always had a "canon" ending. It's just the way it works in the trilogy:
ME1 - Shepard defeats Sovereign
ME2 - Shepard defeats Collectors
ME3 - Shepard...???

This brings to mind the following questions:
1.) If IT is "real", would this imply "Destroy" is the true ending?
- In ME1/2, you didn't have alternate endings. You simply had alternate sub-plots opened (i.e. dead crew, saved Collector base). Why the sudden change now?
2.) If IT is "real" and "Destroy" is the true ending, where does that leave players that chose the other colors?
- My main concerns is that it seems clear that EA wants to milk the ME franchise for as much as it's worth. This means new games, regardless if it stars Shepard or not. Does this mean other games will assume Destroy is the true ending as well, discarding other players choices? To me, this implies that regardless of our Palette choice, there is still a "true" ending somewhere buried in the ending which isn't very obvious to me.

Think of it this way, in Mass Effect 2 Shepard could die.

End result, you can't import him or her into ME3. The IT is no different in that peeople who get the wrong ending cannot continue from their decision or will have to reload a save before they got it wrong.

Alternatively several people have created outcomes that would allow the other choices to be used and still allow the player to continue.

However the majority of this is moot as it is pretty well established that if and when ME4 comes out it will not have Shepard as the main character as Mass Effect 1-3 were always his/her story. To change that would go against "artistic integrity" as it goes against their original intention.

[M Hedonist]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

So you assume Control somehow means Indocrinated? Oh yes not only TIM thinks he can use Reaper tech, but some Protheans also tried to and that is mentioned on Thessia. They are all wrong or Indoctrinated?

I don't believe you actually understood IT before coming to this thread.
Just watch Acavyos' video on indoctrination.

[byne]

Rosewind wrote...

Byne I have an Idea why don't we make our own group?

There, I made a group. I dont actually understand how groups work, so someone should probly explain it to me, but I made one.

[balance5050]

 BYNE BYNE!!

This has some significance IMHO:


 

[balance5050]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Wait so to get the real ending I need to fire the Crucible so it can Destroy the Reapers the same way it did in the 'dream world'. Is that not just getting the same ending twice? Seriously.

Leave it up to Bioware to make a real ending? Why make a fake in the first place? If you believe in IT then you tell me what the real ending is or it all falls apart.

The EC will handle that (hopefully), anything post wake up scene is specualtion to the MAX.

Modifié par balance5050, 14 mai 2012 - 05:54 .

[Nauks]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Wait so to get the real ending I need to fire the Crucible so it can Destroy the Reapers the same way it did in the 'dream world'. Is that not just getting the same ending twice? Seriously.

Leave it up to Bioware to make a real ending? Why make a fake in the first place? If you believe in IT then you tell me what the real ending is or it all falls apart.

Assuming the I.T. is true, we don't know what the Crucible actually does, or if it's really a Reaper trap or what.
And the real ending would logically be revealed in the Extended Cut, we can only speculate as to what it will be.

Modifié par Nauks, 14 mai 2012 - 05:54 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 

DistantUtopia wrote...

As much as I'd like IT to be true, the more I think about it, I have a few questions that come to mind:

ME has always had a "canon" ending. It's just the way it works in the trilogy:
ME1 - Shepard defeats Sovereign
ME2 - Shepard defeats Collectors
ME3 - Shepard...???

This brings to mind the following questions:
1.) If IT is "real", would this imply "Destroy" is the true ending?
- In ME1/2, you didn't have alternate endings. You simply had alternate sub-plots opened (i.e. dead crew, saved Collector base). Why the sudden change now?
2.) If IT is "real" and "Destroy" is the true ending, where does that leave players that chose the other colors?
- My main concerns is that it seems clear that EA wants to milk the ME franchise for as much as it's worth. This means new games, regardless if it stars Shepard or not. Does this mean other games will assume Destroy is the true ending as well, discarding other players choices? To me, this implies that regardless of our Palette choice, there is still a "true" ending somewhere buried in the ending which isn't very obvious to me.

how about this:

remember matriarch benezia? she overcame the indocrination for a few moments and then died.
so what if a paragon/renegade (depending on your dominant tone) interrupt is shown during the entirity of the credits, pressing it makes you break free of the indocrination and so end the fight.

if you picked destroy, shepard lives as he/she didn't get indocrinated

if you picked the other two, shepard breaks through and resists enough time to bring down the reapers along with him/her

That would be epic. I'd play through the game once more just to see Shep shoot him/herself ;(

[Ownaholic]

I'll just leave these here.
When Anderson says "They're controlling you", he looks directly at the camera (which is currently Shepard's POV) upon saying the word "You".
You can see this in video form here.

Modifié par Ownaholic, 14 mai 2012 - 05:56 .

[MaximizedAction]

Unschuld wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I was going to suggest that maybe those opposing shadows could suggest the opposite facets of personality, but that's probably been mentioned before. I'm still not completely convinced that it wasn't just a lighting issue.

Fair point. But the shadows seem to magically work again after TIM is shot...

Here another great pic made by

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Shadows move quite a bit.

Yes, part of my point... and what might that suggest? 

Either the shadows resolved themselves because the lighting was right or...

Notice in the above graphic how no shadow really stays constant, for example, Shepard's Shadow almost looks like (math term) a vector superposition from TIM's and Anderson's shadows. In the end TIM's is almost gone, TIM's shadow is almost gone and Anderson's and Shep's are now pointing in the same direction as the console.

Could be interpreted in various ways, like Shep and his paragon side are now both in accord to the 'real' world, more balanced. status quo, etc.

[The Invisible Commando]

balance5050 wrote...

 BYNE BYNE!!

This has some significance IMHO:


 

Using this as proof of opposition now. Does not mention it being a dream. They want specualtion on how you think Shepard died. HE/SHE IS  DEAD!

[balance5050]

Ownaholic wrote...

I'll just leave these here.
When Anderson says "They're controlling you", he looks directly at the camera (which is currently Shepard's POV) upon saying the word "You".
You can see this in video form here.

snip
snip
snip

Hey, you're right, he looks right at the camera.

Modifié par balance5050, 14 mai 2012 - 05:57 .

[DJBare]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Wait so to get the real ending I need to fire the Crucible so it can Destroy the Reapers the same way it did in the 'dream world'. Is that not just getting the same ending twice? Seriously.

Not necessarily, the crucible itself might even be a trap that Shepard needs to destroy, I can think of many different outcomes that differ from the illusion.

[estebanus]

Ownaholic wrote...

I'll just leave these here.
When Anderson says "They're controlling you", he looks directly at the camera (which is currently Shepard's POV) upon saying the word "You".
You can see this in video form here.

Interesting... I never noticed that before!

[balance5050]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 BYNE BYNE!!

This has some significance IMHO:


 

Using this as proof of opposition now. Does not mention it being a dream. They want specualtion on how you think Shepard died. HE/SHE IS  DEAD!

Says Shepard Alive right at the top of the page, and he was alive at the end of my game.

[MaximizedAction]

balance5050 wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

I'll just leave these here.
When Anderson says "They're controlling you", he looks directly at the camera (which is currently Shepard's POV) upon saying the word "You".
You can see this in video form here.

snip
snip
snip

Hey, you're right, he look right at the camera.

In the vid it could be just as well Shepard, he's looking at. But in either case, he isn't looking at TIM.

[byne]

Ownaholic wrote...

I always knew Anderson was Sergeant Johnson!

Anyhow, I tend to not put much weight behind where the characters seem to be looking. I've noticed in a couple of conversations with Liara, her eyeline seems to be off, like she isnt actually looking at Shep.

Modifié par byne, 14 mai 2012 - 05:58 .