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[Arian Dynas]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Fades as in fades to black ?

No, not quite. All the red in the hallway turns a brownish grey. Kind of, i don't know how to accurately explain it.

It fades to monochrome, like a old time picture.

[Starbuck8]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Ya I dunno it's something about a planet and a millionaire volus being told to go there by the wings of light or something. Anyways the beings of light are supposably there to protect organics from machine devils. And this theory states that the annoying kid on the citidel at the en is a being of light and is here to protect organics. Only thing I have a problem with this theory is one thing that I believes debunks it from the start this planet is in me1-2-3 I believe all not positive I know it is in the Iraq and third for sure. Anyways the thing is me3 original ending was leaked was it not and had to do with dark energy. Therefore this theory is not solid considering the me1 being of light planet. But that is what I think IT to me is the best out there.

Lol when i read "the Iraq" i thought of Miss Sorth Carolina. I'm guessing auto-correct strikes again?

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Arian Dynas wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Fades as in fades to black ?

No, not quite. All the red in the hallway turns a brownish grey. Kind of, i don't know how to accurately explain it.

It fades to monochrome, like a old time picture.

Yes, that.
Absolutely that.

[JamesMoriarty123]

liggy002 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I can't believe there are still supporters of this theory. It makes less sense than the current ending.

Ah well, at least we can be guaranteed Bioware won't be 'changing' the ending to fit some bonkers theorycrafting.

Right.  Something like this wouldn't make sense since it is a major theme of the entire Mass Effect Universe. And Harbinger just mysteriously dropped off of the map, never to be seen or heard from again, SURE......

There was a war going on. In war, **** happens. I think the point at the end wasn't to reveal everyones fate (although I'm glad that's coming) but to focus on Shepards final moments.

Also, Indoctrination is subtle and takes time. You can't one minute be a resolute hero of Humanity and the next be an Indoctrinated slave. IN ME1 Saren tells you, the quicker a Reaper asserts control, the more braindead a subject is. And Shep is storming the **** out of the battlefield until he goes through the portal.
Also, making Shepard indoctrinated would kind of invalidate the WHOLE game. What would be the point in the Crucible, or anything if at the end it's all of a sudden "Oh yeah, it was all a dream buddy". That's a worse cop out than the current ending.

Tell me, why didn't the VI in the Prothean Beacon on Thessia pick up the taint of Indoctrination on Shep, but it did on Kai Leng/Illusive Man? Oh yeah, that's right, because Shepard ISN'T Indoctrinated.

I mean, all this theory when Bioware has confirmed that no, he isn't indoctrinated and they won't be changing the ending as such. I don't mind discussing it as a "if things were different, it could be" scenario, but as it stands, it just doesn't make sense.

P.S By the way, it shows your capacity for a reasoned argument when all you can do is chip in with a snide comment.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

I believe the dark energy Had something to do with the original ending before it was leaked. Also how can we believe in this theory how can you not at least take it into consideration as a possibility? It is not just a confusing as the ending if you pay attention. If you don't believe it you explain why the endin is how it is. Now before I lose my train of thought.

I ran across a video on YouTube about the beings of light theory has anyone else seen this ??

¨Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."


Havent seen the vid, but it is in regards to this, right?

It is...interesting when compared to the Catalyst child, but there are a few problems with it.

First of the Catalyst child is not a beeing of light per se from what it tells us. It says it is the Citadel, so clearly the "kid of light" form is simply an image it ahs taken to present itself to Shepard.

Also the Catalyst kid created the "machine devils" it is not protecting orgnaics from them. Unless off course "machine devils" refer to any Synthetic life and it is protecting the organics from them using the Reapers...

But most of all i beleive that it was established or at least theorized in the last thread that the Volus had had some kind of contact with Sovereign though I cant give any certianties on that.

[Turbo_J]

Rosewind wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I can't believe there are still supporters of this theory. It makes less sense than the current ending.

Ah well, at least we can be guaranteed Bioware won't be 'changing' the ending to fit some bonkers theorycrafting.

Right.  Something like this wouldn't make sense since it is a major theme of the entire Mass Effect Universe. And Harbinger just mysteriously dropped off of the map, never to be seen or heard from again, SURE......

Or hardly any mention of dark engery even though it was the focus of an atire mission in Me2

It was mentioned a few times in ME3 as well. I think it was buried on purpose as a misdirection... exactly what something like, say... a Crucible could be used for. Don't be surprised if it sufaces as the key to solving the Reaper threat, given everyone is so convinced they can't be taken down conventionally.

Hey!, why not use a sun that's full of the stuff. I'm sure there's one around here somewhere.

[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


Right... I'm just saying that to think that those chunks are anything but the crucible forgets what the citadel is made of, check my edit.

I remember we're on the same side but disinformation is a nono to me, the chunks are the crucuble, the citadel isn't that brittle.

It sounds like we're on the same page. I didnt mean to imply that I didnt believe those bits were from the Crucible, I just want to make sure we're careful with the manner in which we cite things. 

You're right, I need to stay grounded. Thanks Hellish. We need to blast out some more gold rounds later 

That we do!

[dirtdiver32318]

Yeah I hate you autocorrect haha and yeah I dunno I'm stickin with IT seems ligit lol

Yes it refers to klencory absolutely right I actually just stumbled onto this theory as I mentioned but yes it's a sketchy theory to me I like IT better.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I can't believe there are still supporters of this theory. It makes less sense than the current ending.

Ah well, at least we can be guaranteed Bioware won't be 'changing' the ending to fit some bonkers theorycrafting.

Right.  Something like this wouldn't make sense since it is a major theme of the entire Mass Effect Universe. And Harbinger just mysteriously dropped off of the map, never to be seen or heard from again, SURE......

There was a war going on. In war, **** happens. I think the point at the end wasn't to reveal everyones fate (although I'm glad that's coming) but to focus on Shepards final moments.

Also, Indoctrination is subtle and takes time. You can't one minute be a resolute hero of Humanity and the next be an Indoctrinated slave. IN ME1 Saren tells you, the quicker a Reaper asserts control, the more braindead a subject is. And Shep is storming the **** out of the battlefield until he goes through the portal.
Also, making Shepard indoctrinated would kind of invalidate the WHOLE game. What would be the point in the Crucible, or anything if at the end it's all of a sudden "Oh yeah, it was all a dream buddy". That's a worse cop out than the current ending.

Tell me, why didn't the VI in the Prothean Beacon on Thessia pick up the taint of Indoctrination on Shep, but it did on Kai Leng/Illusive Man? Oh yeah, that's right, because Shepard ISN'T Indoctrinated.

I mean, all this theory when Bioware has confirmed that no, he isn't indoctrinated and they won't be changing the ending as such. I don't mind discussing it as a "if things were different, it could be" scenario, but as it stands, it just doesn't make sense.

P.S By the way, it shows your capacity for a reasoned argument when all you can do is chip in with a snide comment.

I'm sure the others will explain the other parts better, but I'd like to point out that you just said indoctrination is slow and subtle.  The point of indoctrination on Kai Leng/T.I.M. is anything but subtle at this point in the story. So what degrees of indoctrination can the Prothean V.I. actually detect?
Is it ever made known to the player, or is it left vague?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I can't believe there are still supporters of this theory. It makes less sense than the current ending.

Ah well, at least we can be guaranteed Bioware won't be 'changing' the ending to fit some bonkers theorycrafting.

Right.  Something like this wouldn't make sense since it is a major theme of the entire Mass Effect Universe. And Harbinger just mysteriously dropped off of the map, never to be seen or heard from again, SURE......

There was a war going on. In war, **** happens. I think the point at the end wasn't to reveal everyones fate (although I'm glad that's coming) but to focus on Shepards final moments.

Also, Indoctrination is subtle and takes time. You can't one minute be a resolute hero of Humanity and the next be an Indoctrinated slave. IN ME1 Saren tells you, the quicker a Reaper asserts control, the more braindead a subject is. And Shep is storming the **** out of the battlefield until he goes through the portal.
Also, making Shepard indoctrinated would kind of invalidate the WHOLE game. What would be the point in the Crucible, or anything if at the end it's all of a sudden "Oh yeah, it was all a dream buddy". That's a worse cop out than the current ending.

Tell me, why didn't the VI in the Prothean Beacon on Thessia pick up the taint of Indoctrination on Shep, but it did on Kai Leng/Illusive Man? Oh yeah, that's right, because Shepard ISN'T Indoctrinated.

I mean, all this theory when Bioware has confirmed that no, he isn't indoctrinated and they won't be changing the ending as such. I don't mind discussing it as a "if things were different, it could be" scenario, but as it stands, it just doesn't make sense.

P.S By the way, it shows your capacity for a reasoned argument when all you can do is chip in with a snide comment.

It shows your capacity for a reasonable argument that you dont even look up the compilled evidence before making a blatant statement without any sort of backing.

But ill bite on this.

First of the Indoctrination Theory specifically covers that Shepard has been undergoing subtle Indoctrination practcially from ME1, but the effects are starting to become visible over the course of ME3, such as the dreams, the strange kid, alotb of dialouge from squadmates and others.

The vents as Shepard after knocked out by Harbingers beam is a halucinated dream similar to the dreasm he suffered three tiems throughout the game, except in this case it is the breaking point between Shepards own will and the Indoctrinated effect. He is fighting a battle to maintain control of himself within his own mind.

The three choices at the end are Shepards mind either accepting or rejecting the Reapers influence because if you break it down Control and Synthesis have only been advertised by Reapers or Reaper Agents while Destroy is what every single character close to you agrees on is the way.

Essentially the EC would be Shepard getting back up and finishing the fight with possible chnages depending on your choice.

As for the VI on Thessia, both the VI itself and Javik (the prothean Squadmate) talks about how the Protheans were brought down from the inside by Indoctrinated sleeper agents so clearly those VI were not perfect in their ability to sense Indoctrination.

And no Bioware has not denied this theory in any capacity, in fact a Bioware employee recently posted a poll asking how many beleived in the Indoctriantion Theory.

Finally you say it dosent make sense. Indocrtination is estebalished part of the Mass Effect universe and Shepard is probably the person with most Contact to Reaper artifacts, he has even been abaord a derelict Reaper and fought a Proto Reaper. For him to not show signs of Indoctrination is what would make no sense.

Also how does the current make any sense? It requires Shepard to survive a several km wide fireball where he is near ground zero and orbital reentry in a destroyed suit, not even mentioning the flaws in the Catalyst agrument and the impossibilities in the final choices.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 06 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[Turbo_J]

So I played through the ending. I took some pics of the Hades Cannon area with the clock in the background, but I'll probably put them up tomorrow. The clock is right there - 10 minute walk from where the shuttle went down. It's no where near the beam. So if the clock is by the cannon and is in fact in the background of the breath scene, Shep, Cortez and the two squadies you picked on the Normandy didn't even make it to the London LZ. I'm trying to stay composed, but the implications... wow.

Also, that cannon is a modified destroyer. It's identical to the Rannoch Reaper, who seemed just as intelligent and self aware as any other Reaper Shep has spoken too... you know, just above that of a babbling idiot. Anyway, still not seeing it go down via single shot from a cain.

[Arian Dynas]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I can't believe there are still supporters of this theory. It makes less sense than the current ending.

Ah well, at least we can be guaranteed Bioware won't be 'changing' the ending to fit some bonkers theorycrafting.

Right.  Something like this wouldn't make sense since it is a major theme of the entire Mass Effect Universe. And Harbinger just mysteriously dropped off of the map, never to be seen or heard from again, SURE......

There was a war going on. In war, **** happens. I think the point at the end wasn't to reveal everyones fate (although I'm glad that's coming) but to focus on Shepards final moments.

Also, Indoctrination is subtle and takes time. You can't one minute be a resolute hero of Humanity and the next be an Indoctrinated slave. IN ME1 Saren tells you, the quicker a Reaper asserts control, the more braindead a subject is. And Shep is storming the **** out of the battlefield until he goes through the portal.
Also, making Shepard indoctrinated would kind of invalidate the WHOLE game. What would be the point in the Crucible, or anything if at the end it's all of a sudden "Oh yeah, it was all a dream buddy". That's a worse cop out than the current ending.

Tell me, why didn't the VI in the Prothean Beacon on Thessia pick up the taint of Indoctrination on Shep, but it did on Kai Leng/Illusive Man? Oh yeah, that's right, because Shepard ISN'T Indoctrinated.

I mean, all this theory when Bioware has confirmed that no, he isn't indoctrinated and they won't be changing the ending as such. I don't mind discussing it as a "if things were different, it could be" scenario, but as it stands, it just doesn't make sense.

P.S By the way, it shows your capacity for a reasoned argument when all you can do is chip in with a snide comment.

Ok, you want to play that game do you?

Why would they change the focus, which thus far has been quite wide (otherwise why would we have moments cutting to other characters such as seeing Hackett standing in front of the Crucible, or seeing Kai Leng during the coup?) in the last few moments? It makes no sense in the context of the story which thus far has focused on more than just Shepard.

Which is exactly the purpose of "The Arrival" making a clear point for the indoctrination process (which one can easily argue began on Eden Prime at the very beginning from even just Sovereign's presence) to have gone into overdrive, oh and by the way, going by the comics which were written by Casey himself and are stated to be canon, The Arrival happened and Shepard took part. A Shepard without having experienced The Arrival is non-canon.

You are also fundementally misunderstanding Indoctrination, which comes in two varieties, slow and fast. Fast indoctrination leaves you a drooling zombie, like many indoctrinated enemies we encountered thus far, as the Reapers basically overwrite the synaptic pathways of the brain, leaving the subject incapable of original or individual thought. This you have correct, but you are completely forgetting slow indoctrination, which requires the Reaper to carefully and slowly worm his way into the subject's head, taking his time so as not to cause damage and loss of quality in the subject, which we see heavily foreshadowed throughout the game, with Shepard experiencing dreams, hallucinations, extreme stress and eventually full blown psychosis at the end.

Shepard is only indoctrinated if you fail, if you choose to abandon your principles at the last moment and are seduced by the Reaper philosophy of Synthesis, or taking the hubris of thinking you can control them, when the mind of one would be enough to drive you insane, considering even the Geth consensus considers the mind of one Reaper inconceivably huge.

Because Protheans were taken down from within by indoctrinated sleeper agents and thus clearly did not have perfect methods of detecting indoctrinated subjects? This is also forgetting the fact there is a difference between a subject undergoing Indoctrination, but still resisting like Shepard, and a subject who is fully under Reaper influence, like Kai Leng.

Show me where they have denied that Shepard is being indoctrinated, I would like to see this.

With indoctrination theory, it actually hinges on the ending NOT being changed, since IT states that it was the intention the whole time.

Oh and P.S. You're a hypocrite, since your first comment was nothing more than a snide remark casting aspersions on our capacity for mental reasoning. Have a nice day.

[dirtdiver32318]

Shepard Ian indoctrinated he was just going through the process of it at the end? You telling me Shepard is now superman and all that time spent on a derlect reaper (yeah spelt wrong I think so get over it lol) reaper artifacts and project Roh he is just impossible to indoctrinate?

[Rosewind]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I can't believe there are still supporters of this theory. It makes less sense than the current ending.

Ah well, at least we can be guaranteed Bioware won't be 'changing' the ending to fit some bonkers theorycrafting.

Right.  Something like this wouldn't make sense since it is a major theme of the entire Mass Effect Universe. And Harbinger just mysteriously dropped off of the map, never to be seen or heard from again, SURE......

There was a war going on. In war, **** happens. I think the point at the end wasn't to reveal everyones fate (although I'm glad that's coming) but to focus on Shepards final moments.

Also, Indoctrination is subtle and takes time. You can't one minute be a resolute hero of Humanity and the next be an Indoctrinated slave. IN ME1 Saren tells you, the quicker a Reaper asserts control, the more braindead a subject is. And Shep is storming the **** out of the battlefield until he goes through the portal.
Also, making Shepard indoctrinated would kind of invalidate the WHOLE game. What would be the point in the Crucible, or anything if at the end it's all of a sudden "Oh yeah, it was all a dream buddy". That's a worse cop out than the current ending.

Tell me, why didn't the VI in the Prothean Beacon on Thessia pick up the taint of Indoctrination on Shep, but it did on Kai Leng/Illusive Man? Oh yeah, that's right, because Shepard ISN'T Indoctrinated.

I mean, all this theory when Bioware has confirmed that no, he isn't indoctrinated and they won't be changing the ending as such. I don't mind discussing it as a "if things were different, it could be" scenario, but as it stands, it just doesn't make sense.

P.S By the way, it shows your capacity for a reasoned argument when all you can do is chip in with a snide comment.

I'm sure the others will explain the other parts better, but I'd like to point out that you just said indoctrination is slow and subtle.  The point of indoctrination on Kai Leng/T.I.M. is anything but subtle at this point in the story. So what degrees of indoctrination can the Prothean V.I. actually detect?
Is it ever made known to the player, or is it left vague?

Not to mention Jarvik him self explains they fell because of indoctrinated people in their ranks, so obvious the VI detect system isn't fool proof.

Modifié par Rosewind, 06 juin 2012 - 08:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

I believe the dark energy Had something to do with the original ending before it was leaked. Also how can we believe in this theory how can you not at least take it into consideration as a possibility? It is not just a confusing as the ending if you pay attention. If you don't believe it you explain why the endin is how it is. Now before I lose my train of thought.

I ran across a video on YouTube about the beings of light theory has anyone else seen this ??

¨Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."


Havent seen the vid, but it is in regards to this, right?

It is...interesting when compared to the Catalyst child, but there are a few problems with it.

First of the Catalyst child is not a beeing of light per se from what it tells us. It says it is the Citadel, so clearly the "kid of light" form is simply an image it ahs taken to present itself to Shepard.

Also the Catalyst kid created the "machine devils" it is not protecting orgnaics from them. Unless off course "machine devils" refer to any Synthetic life and it is protecting the organics from them using the Reapers...

But most of all i beleive that it was established or at least theorized in the last thread that the Volus had had some kind of contact with Sovereign though I cant give any certianties on that.

My personal opinion on this still remains that the so called beings of light are the Reapers playing "Good Cop"

"Oh no! This horrifying Lovecraftian species of intelligent machines are slaughtering us and rendering us down to make more of themselves!

"Have no fear citizen, I, a godlike being formed of pure light (Stand in awe of me) will protect you from these horrifying machine devils, all you have to do is lay down your arms, listen to what I have to say about the wonders of biosynthetic fusion and stand around this beacon which makes electromagnetic waves. Completely harmless, I assure you."

Makes the whole thing less risky for the Reapers if some lay down their arms, and it makes it easier to harvest them, since they're not fighting back.

[Arian Dynas]

Turbo_J wrote...

So I played through the ending. I took some pics of the Hades Cannon area with the clock in the background, but I'll probably put them up tomorrow. The clock is right there - 10 minute walk from where the shuttle went down. It's no where near the beam. So if the clock is by the cannon and is in fact in the background of the breath scene, Shep, Cortez and the two squadies you picked on the Normandy didn't even make it to the London LZ. I'm trying to stay composed, but the implications... wow.

Also, that cannon is a modified destroyer. It's identical to the Rannoch Reaper, who seemed just as intelligent and self aware as any other Reaper Shep has spoken too... you know, just above that of a babbling idiot. Anyway, still not seeing it go down via single shot from a cain.

Consider that the Cain IS shooting 25 kilograms of pure high explosive, accelerated to a high fraction of the speed of light directly up the thing's ashole.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 06 juin 2012 - 08:06 .

[liggy002]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I can't believe there are still supporters of this theory. It makes less sense than the current ending.

Ah well, at least we can be guaranteed Bioware won't be 'changing' the ending to fit some bonkers theorycrafting.

Right.  Something like this wouldn't make sense since it is a major theme of the entire Mass Effect Universe. And Harbinger just mysteriously dropped off of the map, never to be seen or heard from again, SURE......

There was a war going on. In war, **** happens. I think the point at the end wasn't to reveal everyones fate (although I'm glad that's coming) but to focus on Shepards final moments.

Also, Indoctrination is subtle and takes time. You can't one minute be a resolute hero of Humanity and the next be an Indoctrinated slave. IN ME1 Saren tells you, the quicker a Reaper asserts control, the more braindead a subject is. And Shep is storming the **** out of the battlefield until he goes through the portal.
Also, making Shepard indoctrinated would kind of invalidate the WHOLE game. What would be the point in the Crucible, or anything if at the end it's all of a sudden "Oh yeah, it was all a dream buddy". That's a worse cop out than the current ending.

Tell me, why didn't the VI in the Prothean Beacon on Thessia pick up the taint of Indoctrination on Shep, but it did on Kai Leng/Illusive Man? Oh yeah, that's right, because Shepard ISN'T Indoctrinated.

I mean, all this theory when Bioware has confirmed that no, he isn't indoctrinated and they won't be changing the ending as such. I don't mind discussing it as a "if things were different, it could be" scenario, but as it stands, it just doesn't make sense.

P.S By the way, it shows your capacity for a reasoned argument when all you can do is chip in with a snide comment.

Bioware said they weren't going to change the ending but they never said they weren't going to EXPAND it.

   The Reapers were working on influencing Shepard's mind throughout Mass Effect 3 via the illusionary child and the dream sequences in which there were clearly whispers heard.  It was a subtle slow process and wasn't a rapid indoctrination attempt.  The Reapers were working on breaking Shepard's willpower by instilling a sense of hopelessness in him.  You think that any normal boy would tell Shepard that he couldn't help him?  NO, because he is A REAPER HALLUCINATION.

It's been stated multiple times that the VI wouldn't necessarily detect the taint of Indoctrination on Shepard.  At that point, he wasn't as far gone as TIM or Kai Leng.  Besides, it is a VI and lacks the depth and reasoning of an AI.  Indoctrination isn't as obvious as you think it is.

Harbinger clearly had an interest in Shepard in the Arrival DLC.  He wanted control of his mind.

Bioware never confirmed that the IT wasn't true.  You are stating things that are untrue to suite your own argument.

What's the point of the Crucible?  I wouldn't know this but it could easily be a Reaper trap as was hinted in the game.  One of the conversation choice options even stated that "it was too good to be true" or something very similar to that.

    You need to get your facts straight before you even attempt to attack my ability to reason and argue.  Making Shepard indoctrinated would NOT invalidate the whole game, it would illustrate that the most dangerous battle that Shepard can fight is the battle for his soul.  Shepard is VALUABLE to the Reapers.  Saren even said that he impressed Sovereign.  What did TIM say, I UNDERESTIMATED YOU.  That's not something that TIM would say, it is SOMETHING THAT HARBINGER WOULD SAY.

  No matter how you look at it Shepard is more useful to the Reapers alive than dead since they can use him as an agent to betray his friends that trust him.  This entire war depends on Shepard.  If the Reapers control Shepard, then they have an easy and practically assured victory.

Modifié par liggy002, 06 juin 2012 - 08:06 .

[RavenEyry]

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

[Starbuck8]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

I believe the dark energy Had something to do with the original ending before it was leaked. Also how can we believe in this theory how can you not at least take it into consideration as a possibility? It is not just a confusing as the ending if you pay attention. If you don't believe it you explain why the endin is how it is. Now before I lose my train of thought.

I ran across a video on YouTube about the beings of light theory has anyone else seen this ??

¨Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."


Havent seen the vid, but it is in regards to this, right?

It is...interesting when compared to the Catalyst child, but there are a few problems with it.

First of the Catalyst child is not a beeing of light per se from what it tells us. It says it is the Citadel, so clearly the "kid of light" form is simply an image it ahs taken to present itself to Shepard.

Also the Catalyst kid created the "machine devils" it is not protecting orgnaics from them. Unless off course "machine devils" refer to any Synthetic life and it is protecting the organics from them using the Reapers...

But most of all i beleive that it was established or at least theorized in the last thread that the Volus had had some kind of contact with Sovereign though I cant give any certianties on that.

My personal opinion on this still remains that the so called beings of light are the Reapers playing "Good Cop"

"Oh no! This horrifying Lovecraftian species of intelligent machines are slaughtering us and rendering us down to make more of themselves!

"Have no fear citizen, I, a godlike being formed of pure light (Stand in awe of me) will protect you from these horrifying machine devils, all you have to do is lay down your arms, listen to what I have to say about the wonders of biosynthetic fusion and stand around this beacon which makes electromagnetic waves. Completely harmless, I assure you."

Makes the whole thing less risky for the Reapers if some lay down their arms, and it makes it easier to harvest them, since they're not fighting back.

From the tiny bit I unsterstand about the Beings of Light theory, it rests onto the circular logic of the catalyst child. Clearly catalyst kid isn't protecting us from the reapers, they are his solution. So the catalyst child is using the reapers to protect us/organics/the galaxy from synthetics we create that will end up annihilating us anyway (allegedly). So it assumes that the catalyst kid is telling the truth and is using sound logic... <_<

Lol Arian's explanation about the beings of light totally makes sense if that volus was indoctrinated.

[Corik]

I really can't understand how people is still coming here to say "hehehehehe, do you still believe this ****? hehehehehehe you're all crazy, hehehehehehe".

Seriously, you make my blood boil.

[dirtdiver32318]

Exactly it is even stated in the codec that if indoctrination was to happen to a political or or military leader it would bring down nations. Shepard is in control of this whole operation to fight the reapers they want him alive so they can use him/her against their allies taken Shepard down would kill the moral of the united fleet an the human alliance. When you et back on earth you are told that alliance members have hope because shepards there if they heard that Shepard died it will kill all hope to survive.

[Starbuck8]

Wow good job you guys getting a troll to actually post and show how much they don't know about IT, and then going for the KO *applauds*

[RavenEyry]

Corik wrote...

I really can't understand how people is still coming here to say "hehehehehe, do you still believe this ****? hehehehehehe you're all crazy, hehehehehehe".

Seriously, you make my blood boil.

And when we ask if they have any points to back up their opinion, they accuse us of making snide remarks and not debating.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

So I played through the ending. I took some pics of the Hades Cannon area with the clock in the background, but I'll probably put them up tomorrow. The clock is right there - 10 minute walk from where the shuttle went down. It's no where near the beam. So if the clock is by the cannon and is in fact in the background of the breath scene, Shep, Cortez and the two squadies you picked on the Normandy didn't even make it to the London LZ. I'm trying to stay composed, but the implications... wow.

Also, that cannon is a modified destroyer. It's identical to the Rannoch Reaper, who seemed just as intelligent and self aware as any other Reaper Shep has spoken too... you know, just above that of a babbling idiot. Anyway, still not seeing it go down via single shot from a cain.

Also, DJBare pointed out that the Cain is a high speed line-of-sight projectile weapon, and not a low speed homing rocket weapon like we see in that scene. The way the Cain is depicted in that scene is, well, lets just say it is not the Cain as it was established in ME2. 

[Rosewind]

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><