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[Turbo_J]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So I played through the ending. I took some pics of the Hades Cannon area with the clock in the background, but I'll probably put them up tomorrow. The clock is right there - 10 minute walk from where the shuttle went down. It's no where near the beam. So if the clock is by the cannon and is in fact in the background of the breath scene, Shep, Cortez and the two squadies you picked on the Normandy didn't even make it to the London LZ. I'm trying to stay composed, but the implications... wow.

Also, that cannon is a modified destroyer. It's identical to the Rannoch Reaper, who seemed just as intelligent and self aware as any other Reaper Shep has spoken too... you know, just above that of a babbling idiot. Anyway, still not seeing it go down via single shot from a cain.

Consider that the Cain IS shooting 25 kilograms of pure high explosive, accelerated to a high fraction of the speed of light directly up the thing's ashole.

So why wasn't this info disseminated to the ground forces? Why didn't anyone in the cut scenes use cains and if they did (Turian: may have been just a rocket launcher) why did they bounce off instead of doing the magic auto target thing that happened when Shep fired? Why leave the other one behind when it could have been used on the destroyer in front of the beam? ...which took two Thanix missiles and a barrage of heavy fire to drop.

'it doesn't make sense' but it is nitpicking I guess.

I just want it on record that I don't think London happened yet at all. Maybe Shep will wake up at the LZ in that make shift medical building Liara and that Dr. were in.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Consider that the Cain IS shooting 25 kilograms of pure high explosive, accelerated to a high fraction of the speed of light directly up the thing's ashole.

Except it doesnt. It shoots what looks like a tiny rocket that homes in on a specific target at a very low speed. Certainly nowhere near a "fraction of the speed of light". 

[dirtdiver32318]

Some people just don't get it guys what are we gonna do lol

[Corik]

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

Besides, the VI didn't told anything to Shepard about the Catalyst until it was recovered in Cereberus Base, when it said "Security measures disabled, I will comply". Maybe the VI was detecting signs of indoctrination after all.

[balance5050]

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

Yep, the game goes out of its way to tell you that there were sleeper agents. I also think the Shepard's Prothean Cipher thingy bypasses all security on those V.I.'s anyway, it's why they always give Shepard all that top level info without him having to hack it or anything.

Modifié par balance5050, 06 juin 2012 - 08:21 .

[Big G13]

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

I just noticed your sig. Extremely cool. I love the way the color in the eye changes.

[Turbo_J]

Corik wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

Besides, the VI didn't told anything to Shepard about the Catalyst until it was recovered in Cereberus Base, when it said "Security measures disabled, I will comply". Maybe the VI was detecting signs of indoctrination after all.

I've mentioned this so many times... it just does not compute for some people. There are so many clues in dialog it's ridiculous.

Also, given the VI - and yes, this is a VI not an AI - has been hacked, not a single damn word it says on Cronos can be trustred. How many times has TIM used misinfo and misdirection to manipulate people, especially Shepard.

[dirtdiver32318]

There are somethings to debunk the IT but I find there are more to support or make it plausible.

[MaximizedAction]

Turbo_J wrote...

Corik wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

Besides, the VI didn't told anything to Shepard about the Catalyst until it was recovered in Cereberus Base, when it said "Security measures disabled, I will comply". Maybe the VI was detecting signs of indoctrination after all.

I've mentioned this so many times... it just does not compute for some people. There are so many clues in dialog it's ridiculous.

Also, given the VI - and yes, this is a VI not an AI - has been hacked, not a single damn word it says on Cronos can be trustred. How many times has TIM used misinfo and misdirection to manipulate people, especially Shepard.

For example the fake turian signal in ME2.

[HellishFiend]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

There are somethings to debunk the IT but I find there are more to support or make it plausible.

Nothing "debunks" IT. Not a thing. There may be some contradictory evidence here and there, but it is few and far between, and certainly not enough to debunk the theory entirely. 

[Rosewind]

Big G13 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

I just noticed your sig. Extremely cool. I love the way the color in the eye changes.

Thank you made it my self with my Femshep

[dirtdiver32318]

Or the horizon incident damn you TIM

[dirtdiver32318]

Yes I also like your sig as well different good on ya

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Corik wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

Besides, the VI didn't told anything to Shepard about the Catalyst until it was recovered in Cereberus Base, when it said "Security measures disabled, I will comply". Maybe the VI was detecting signs of indoctrination after all.

I've mentioned this so many times... it just does not compute for some people. There are so many clues in dialog it's ridiculous.

Also, given the VI - and yes, this is a VI not an AI - has been hacked, not a single damn word it says on Cronos can be trustred. How many times has TIM used misinfo and misdirection to manipulate people, especially Shepard.

For example the fake turian signal in ME2.

Even if Javik is with you, the VI conforms but still says that it will just interface with the Crucible without stating what the Catalyst is.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 08:36 .

[dirtdiver32318]

Yes sorry debunk was the wrong word. Please accept my apology lol. I am a firm believer in the IT and you said what unwanted to perfectly. I am not a wordsmith as you can all tell 

Modifié par dirtdiver32318, 06 juin 2012 - 08:36 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Turbo_J wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So I played through the ending. I took some pics of the Hades Cannon area with the clock in the background, but I'll probably put them up tomorrow. The clock is right there - 10 minute walk from where the shuttle went down. It's no where near the beam. So if the clock is by the cannon and is in fact in the background of the breath scene, Shep, Cortez and the two squadies you picked on the Normandy didn't even make it to the London LZ. I'm trying to stay composed, but the implications... wow.

Also, that cannon is a modified destroyer. It's identical to the Rannoch Reaper, who seemed just as intelligent and self aware as any other Reaper Shep has spoken too... you know, just above that of a babbling idiot. Anyway, still not seeing it go down via single shot from a cain.

Consider that the Cain IS shooting 25 kilograms of pure high explosive, accelerated to a high fraction of the speed of light directly up the thing's ashole.

So why wasn't this info disseminated to the ground forces? Why didn't anyone in the cut scenes use cains and if they did (Turian: may have been just a rocket launcher) why did they bounce off instead of doing the magic auto target thing that happened when Shep fired? Why leave the other one behind when it could have been used on the destroyer in front of the beam? ...which took two Thanix missiles and a barrage of heavy fire to drop.

'it doesn't make sense' but it is nitpicking I guess.

I just want it on record that I don't think London happened yet at all. Maybe Shep will wake up at the LZ in that make shift medical building Liara and that Dr. were in.

Possibly the Cain simply destroys the Hades cannon and the resulting explosion not necesarily killed the Destroyer, but damaged it in such a way as to make it inoperable.

Possibly the energy needed to power teh cannon also left the Destroyer kinetic barriers weaker than normal.

I dont really know, just guessing here.

[Rosewind]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Yes I also like your sig as well different good on ya

I am going to be making two different version for the Theorist group once I get good high res pic of sheploo and default femshep even though i hate squirrel face.....

[Arian Dynas]

Corik wrote...

I really can't understand how people is still coming here to say "hehehehehe, do you still believe this ****? hehehehehehe you're all crazy, hehehehehehe".

Seriously, you make my blood boil.

Down boy.

Starbuck8 wrote...

Wow good job you guys getting a troll to actually post and show how much they don't know about IT, and then going for the KO [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie] *applauds*

 

K.O.

INDOCTRINATION WINS.

RATIONALITY

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Consider that the Cain IS shooting 25 kilograms of pure high explosive, accelerated to a high fraction of the speed of light directly up the thing's ashole.

Except it doesnt. It shoots what looks like a tiny rocket that homes in on a specific target at a very low speed. Certainly nowhere near a "fraction of the speed of light". 

 

*Sigh* fine, you want you want my genuine thoughs on it? You asked for it.

One, "a fraction of the speed of light" describes alot of speeds for one, for two, read the Cain's description, that is what it says. and the human eye is capable of perciving a jet as moving fast, yet still is capable of seeing it, even when it could be breaking the sound barrier at mach 2, hence our eyes could potentially perceive it as moving slower than it is.

As for the effect that the Cain had, one the number of them is limited, we only see 2 in the entire game for one, they were a single prototype weapon we saw for the first time just last year, and has only spent maybe 6 months at most in the hands of the Alliance.

But more to the point what I genuinely think happened was since the Hades Cannons are mounted on the backs of destroyers, it blasted the cables and supports, unmooring them, causing the entire assembly to rip off from the destroyer's back, which disabled the cannon, even if it did not manage to disable the Reaper, you also have to remember, 25 Kilos is a ****ton of explosives, and I mean alot. You can put a pretty sizable hole in something with that, especially considering they are high velocity explosives which are especially nasty.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 06 juin 2012 - 08:38 .

[RavenEyry]

I hate default femshep because she looks cartoony.

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

I just noticed your sig. Extremely cool. I love the way the color in the eye changes.

Thank you made it my self with my Femshep

Orient it on the other side so you can see more of her eye, it'll give it more punch and less will be covered by her hair.

[Rosewind]

RavenEyry wrote...

I hate default femshep because she looks cartoony.

Eh don't get me started on her, but I want to keep my own sig unique that's why I will use her for everyone else.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

*Sigh* fine, you want you want my genuine thoughs on it? You asked for it.

One, "a fraction of the speed of light" describes alot of speeds for one, for two, read the Cain's description, that is what it says. and the human eye is capable of perciving a jet as moving fast, yet still is capable of seeing it, even when it could be breaking the sound barrier at mach 2, hence our eyes could potentially perceive it as moving slower than it is.

As for the effect that the Cain had, one the number of them is limited, we only see 2 in the entire game for one, they were a single prototype weapon we saw for the first time just last year, and has only spent maybe 6 months at most in the hands of the Alliance.

But more to the point what I genuinely think happened was since the Hades Cannons are mounted on the backs of destroyers, it blasted the cables and supports, unmooring them, causing the entire assembly to rip off from the destroyer's back, which disabled the cannon, even if it did not manage to disable the Reaper, you also have to remember, 25 Kilos is a ****ton of explosives, and I mean alot. You can put a pretty sizable hole in something with that, especially considering they are high velocity explosives which are especially nasty.

You need to check your facts, Arian. Maybe I should have been more clear when I said "Except it doesnt". It does NOT fire a 25 kilogram glob of explosives, it fires a 25 gram SLUG in a straight line. Your entire explanation is invalid. 

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

I just noticed your sig. Extremely cool. I love the way the color in the eye changes.

Thank you made it my self with my Femshep

Orient it on the other side so you can see more of her eye, it'll give it more punch and less will be covered by her hair.

How about no.....

[dirtdiver32318]

Hahaha if it means anything rosewind it looks great the way it is. Very creative

[Turbo_J]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Corik wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AGH! It's been three months and people still bring up the VI like it's never been mentioned before!

It's like they don't understand that it isn't fool proof ><

Besides, the VI didn't told anything to Shepard about the Catalyst until it was recovered in Cereberus Base, when it said "Security measures disabled, I will comply". Maybe the VI was detecting signs of indoctrination after all.

I've mentioned this so many times... it just does not compute for some people. There are so many clues in dialog it's ridiculous.

Also, given the VI - and yes, this is a VI not an AI - has been hacked, not a single damn word it says on Cronos can be trustred. How many times has TIM used misinfo and misdirection to manipulate people, especially Shepard.

For example the fake turian signal in ME2.

Even if Javik is with you, the VI is more conformant but still says that it will just interface with the Crucible without stating what the Catalyst is.

All this coupled with Omega leads me to believe he took it for a reason. He may not have known it's purpose before hand... could be the motivation was simply to be as close to the O4R as possible, but I think Omega is or has something to do with the Catalyst if the Crucible actually has a real purpose... or like someone said before, it was a derelict Crucible and over time became encrusted with space debit.

Regardless, Omega may play a part in this we can't yet fathom. I'm also convinced that is where TIM is during the showdown in Sol.