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[HellishFiend]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Been thinking a bit about the significance of EMS affecting ShepAlive, why does it have to represent Shep's willpower as some suggest to bring it in line with IT. Way I see it, some time may pass between beating the indoctrination effect and Shepard becoming conscious again as his body 'reboots' so to speak. In that time, any number of things could have happened to his unconsicous body. With low EMS, Repaer forces may be dominating the battle and have swarmed over to Shep's apprently lifeless corpse and put an end to him?

If we operate under the assumption that all of the various decision chamber outcomes are metaphors/symbolism, then you could absolutely be right. The EMS = willpower thing is sort of a tangential belief that some people have, but there isnt a whole lot of evidence to support it. However, we should consider that willpower and military strength are indirectly (or even directly) related in this case, so it may just be semantics. 

I not only agree that it is possible that time could pass before Shepard wakes up, I think it is the most likely scenario. The mysterious post-ending Datapad messages seem to support that being the case. They are written as if Shepard is under some kind of medical care. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 06 juin 2012 - 09:42 .

[Big G13]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Been thinking a bit about the significance of EMS affecting ShepAlive, why does it have to represent Shep's willpower as some suggest to bring it in line with IT. Way I see it, some time may pass between beating the indoctrination effect and Shepard becoming conscious again as his body 'reboots' so to speak. In that time, any number of things could have happened to his unconsicous body. With low EMS, Repaer forces may be dominating the battle and have swarmed over to Shep's apprently lifeless corpse and put an end to him?

I agree with that. imho picking destroy is overcoming the indoctrination attempt. Whether or not Shep survives overcoming the indoctrination attempt depends on how much help he was able to get (EMS)

[Arian Dynas]

Anywho, sorry I'm in a bad mood, I've been reminded of something that REALLY pisses me off, so yeah, kind of out of sorts.

[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

So I'm doing another vid about the mystery of the gun to finish off all the suff I found since the first one... but I keep finding more and more information:D that I have to go double check and I'm not even sure if what I'm finding means anything:?

Nice! I'm looking forward to it. 

By the way, did you see my post earlier about Starbinger turning corporeal for a couple of seconds in the Control ending? It bears some potentially parallel symbolism to the "Mystery of the Gun" transition. 

yeah I saw the post and predictably I loaded up ME3 but he did not turn corporeal for me:( did some fly came vids. did not find anything substantial. I think it's the way the electricity outlines and his head polarizes the colors makes him look corporeal. not sure thou

someone that was not a IT'er posted a link on the comment section in my Mystery of the Gun video that showed that the gun changing mid shot happen in Mass Effect 2, he was right so I gone and investigated what it's about took some vids and I think I got a good case that in ME2 it was a glitch but in no way can prove that it was in 3

edit: forgot to finish the first paragraph

Polarizes what colors, though? Starbinger as we see him 99% of the time, is a colorless, incorporeal form. In the screenshot and accompanying youtube video, we see lines sharpened, opacity increased, and colors applied. There is no possibility that it is a trick on the eyes. 

Edit: Also, I'm fairly sure that textures are also applied for that couple of seconds. I dont think Starbinger has textures, at least none that resemble his corporeal form, while in his incorporeal form. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 06 juin 2012 - 09:44 .

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anywho, sorry I'm in a bad mood, I've been reminded of something that REALLY pisses me off, so yeah, kind of out of sorts.

No worries, we are dealing with contentious topics, after all. If hard feelings were an issue, I dont think any of us would still be here.  

Hope you can find a reason to perk up soon. 

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

The only explanations are:

Bioware screwed up the lore regarding the Cain
Bioware intentionally rejiggered the lore of the Cain without telling us
That scene isnt real and the wrongness of the Cain is a clue

As is the ease in which a Reaper destroyer falls... 1 shot kill... for the first time ever. May as well been a YMIR Mech from ME2.

You know, you raise a good point. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the usage and depiction of the Cain is even more of a clue than we think it is. 

I'll preempt here and say that this could just be a wild stretch, and way off, but I might as well entertain the idea just incase. 

Anyway, at the end of ME2, most of us find out that a single shot from the Cain is not enough to take out even a larval Reaper in one shot. So in a way, the usage/depiction of the Cain in the Hades Cannon Reaper scene could be a sort of double clue. The first clue being that the Cain is, well, not the Cain at all, and the second being that we already know that a shot from a Cain is not enough to outright kill a Reaper. 

I'm hesitant to fully throw myself behind that, especially because of all the implications of basically thinking the entire London sequence is a hallucination, but I think the idea has some merit. 

Yeah, but add in the 'I was born in London...' Blank, or doubtful stare.

Wrex and wanting to name a girl Mordin on Tuchanka claims it's Bakara's idea at the LZ and he 'doesn't know why' she would want to??

Liara: Nuff said... just empty, useless, blank, gift?

Everyone is depressing. James and Tali may be the exceptions.

The QEC lol - and the godly phonebook - I can't go fight right now - Shep could call any minute.

The vacancy of the entire push.

Not sure what to make of the Wrex/Wrev scene, other than 'oh crap' or 'oh good' but I swear the scene changes slightly the higher my EMS is... Wrex seems to get out in some and gets engulfed in the blast in others.

That scene is not something Shep possibly could see or know about... it's something only the player could see. Something to kick the player in the gut with.

There is more even before the beam run... that datapad in the hospital area about the voices in the back of the authors head that won't shut up... can't believe people don't see that as a freakin indoctrination beakon! - could be Sheps subconcious.

_____

Off topic!!

Oh oh!

Tim's line... The pattern was there, burried in the data.

Liara ME1.. The pattern is there, burried in the data.

Creeeeeepy.

[prettz]

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

So I'm doing another vid about the mystery of the gun to finish off all the suff I found since the first one... but I keep finding more and more information:D that I have to go double check and I'm not even sure if what I'm finding means anything:?

Nice! I'm looking forward to it. 

By the way, did you see my post earlier about Starbinger turning corporeal for a couple of seconds in the Control ending? It bears some potentially parallel symbolism to the "Mystery of the Gun" transition. 

yeah I saw the post and predictably I loaded up ME3 but he did not turn corporeal for me:( did some fly came vids. did not find anything substantial. I think it's the way the electricity outlines and his head polarizes the colors makes him look corporeal. not sure thou

someone that was not a IT'er posted a link on the comment section in my Mystery of the Gun video that showed that the gun changing mid shot happen in Mass Effect 2, he was right so I gone and investigated what it's about took some vids and I think I got a good case that in ME2 it was a glitch but in no way can prove that it was in 3

edit: forgot to finish the first paragraph

Polarizes what colors, though? Starbinger as we see him 99% of the time, is a colorless, incorporeal form. In the screenshot and accompanying youtube video, we see lines sharpened, opacity increased, and colors applied. There is no possibility that is it a trick on the eyes. 

wait I think I just notice it. going to double check since the vid I have not good

and Polarizing might not be the word I was meaning to say:pinched:

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Yeah, but add in the 'I was born in London...' Blank, or doubtful stare.

Wrex and wanting to name a girl Mordin on Tuchanka claims it's Bakara's idea at the LZ and he 'doesn't know why' she would want to??

Liara: Nuff said... just empty, useless, blank, gift?

Everyone is depressing. James and Tali may be the exceptions.

The QEC lol - and the godly phonebook - I can't go fight right now - Shep could call any minute.

The vacancy of the entire push.

Not sure what to make of the Wrex/Wrev scene, other than 'oh crap' or 'oh good' but I swear the scene changes slightly the higher my EMS is... Wrex seems to get out in some and gets engulfed in the blast in others.

That scene is not something Shep possibly could see or know about... it's something only the player could see. Something to kick the player in the gut with.

There is more even before the beam run... that datapad in the hospital area about the voices in the back of the authors head that won't shut up... can't believe people don't see that as a freakin indoctrination beakon! - could be Sheps subconcious.

_____

Off topic!!

Oh oh!

Tim's line... The pattern was there, burried in the data.

Liara ME1.. The pattern is there, burried in the data.

Creeeeeepy.

Good points, all. In addition, the view bobbing starts in London as well. So do you fully believe London was part of the hallucination?

Edit: Not to mention the "Thanix Missiles" which are yet another lore-contradicting weapon. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 06 juin 2012 - 09:50 .

[Big G13]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anywho, sorry I'm in a bad mood, I've been reminded of something that REALLY pisses me off, so yeah, kind of out of sorts.

It must be some kind of a bug going around tonight. 

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Yeah, but add in the 'I was born in London...' Blank, or doubtful stare.

Wrex and wanting to name a girl Mordin on Tuchanka claims it's Bakara's idea at the LZ and he 'doesn't know why' she would want to??

Liara: Nuff said... just empty, useless, blank, gift?

Everyone is depressing. James and Tali may be the exceptions.

The QEC lol - and the godly phonebook - I can't go fight right now - Shep could call any minute.

The vacancy of the entire push.

Not sure what to make of the Wrex/Wrev scene, other than 'oh crap' or 'oh good' but I swear the scene changes slightly the higher my EMS is... Wrex seems to get out in some and gets engulfed in the blast in others.

That scene is not something Shep possibly could see or know about... it's something only the player could see. Something to kick the player in the gut with.

There is more even before the beam run... that datapad in the hospital area about the voices in the back of the authors head that won't shut up... can't believe people don't see that as a freakin indoctrination beakon! - could be Sheps subconcious.

_____

Off topic!!

Oh oh!

Tim's line... The pattern was there, burried in the data.

Liara ME1.. The pattern is there, burried in the data.

Creeeeeepy.

Good points, all. In addition, the view bobbing starts in London as well. So do you fully believe London was part of the hallucination?

Yes. I believe so. I've felt, sinse my second playthrough that it was the point things really went fubar. I actually noticed the bob at the weapons bench on my first run and wrote it off as a bug... so foolish. I stared at it for so long... thinking there was meaning in it... and just wrote it off. 'hangs head in shame'.

I digress... So I see the clock at the breath scene in my own captures. The clock is right at the Hades Cannon. The Cain is there, and everything goes to pot in regards to conversations and perception right after getting picked up.

There is rebar in the cement at the cannon site, though I could not find cables - not that it matters because not even the crash site is real if Cortez & company crashed... it's Sheps mental perception/Reaper consensus.

I think both shuttles went down right there. And how close are they to that Reaper?

The only thing in doubt... there was a cut to the scene of the heavy weapon shuttle getting hit, but no transition, no black, no white... But that in itself could be a clue I guess. It's all conjecture no matter what until BW ponies up the truth.

Don't get me started about the Thanix crap again... slow **** can't hit anyone in the face. I'm sure Reapers have reflexes faster than organics.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 06 juin 2012 - 10:03 .

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anywho, sorry I'm in a bad mood, I've been reminded of something that REALLY pisses me off, so yeah, kind of out of sorts.

No worries, we are dealing with contentious topics, after all. If hard feelings were an issue, I dont think any of us would still be here.  

Hope you can find a reason to perk up soon. 

Unfortunately, that reason would need to either be the ritual murder of every Wizards of the Coast exectutive, a signed note of apology from them and a promise to do better next time, or Ed Greenwood knocking on my door to inform me that he made an alternate Forgotten Realms where something as stupid as the Spellplague never took place.

[Lyria]

I feel the same about WoTC.
But that's because of Magic The Gathering.

What developments have occurred lately?
Is their a daily digest of information I can get my hands on as I don't have time to read all the crazy amount of posts.

[HellishFiend]

protognosis wrote...

I feel the same about WoTC.
But that's because of Magic The Gathering.

What developments have occurred lately?
Is their a daily digest of information I can get my hands on as I don't have time to read all the crazy amount of posts.

I do apologize for that. I have tried getting my fellow ITers to refrain from engaging in off-topic banter, but they insist there is nothing wrong with it. The unfortuante result is that information becomes much harder to find. 

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Good points, all. In addition, the view bobbing starts in London as well. So do you fully believe London was part of the hallucination?

Yes. I believe so. I've felt, sinse my second playthrough that it was the point things really went fubar. I actually noticed the bob at the weapons bench on my first run and wrote it off as a bug... so foolish. I stared at it for so long... thinking there was meaning in it... and just wrote it off. 'hangs head in shame'.

I digress... So I see the clock at the breath scene in my own captures. The clock is right at the Hades Cannon. The Cain is there, and everything goes to pot in regards to conversations and perception right after getting picked up.

There is rebar in the cement at the cannon site, though I could not find cables - not that it matters because not even the crash site is real if Cortez & company crashed... it's Sheps mental perception/Reaper consensus.

I think both shuttles went down right there. And how close are they to that Reaper?

The only thing in doubt... there was a cut to the scene of the heavy weapon shuttle getting hit, but no transition, no black, no white... But that in itself could be a clue I guess. It's all conjecture no matter what until BW ponies up the truth.

Don't get me started about the Thanix crap again... slow **** can't hit anyone in the face. I'm sure Reapers have reflexes faster than organics.

Well, in any case, I dont think I'll be caught by surprise if that turns out to be the case. It certainly seems plausible. We havent even mentioned all of the things that point towards it. The dream paper scraps falling from the sky is another one that stands out. 

[HellishFiend]

*snip*

Modifié par HellishFiend, 06 juin 2012 - 10:24 .

[UrgentArchengel]

I think I saw the part in the control ending where Starbringer of Doom goes corporeal. Is it where you put both hands on those...handles and an energy wave goes off? It kinda looks like it, but I could be wrong.

[HellishFiend]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I think I saw the part in the control ending where Starbringer of Doom goes corporeal. Is it where you put both hands on those...handles and an energy wave goes off? It kinda looks like it, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, thats the moment. It happens right as the "shockwave" hits Starbinger. That bears a strong parallel to how the shockwave from the destroy ending causes the Carnifex to change to a Predator.

[Big G13]

protognosis wrote...

I feel the same about WoTC.
But that's because of Magic The Gathering.

What developments have occurred lately?
Is their a daily digest of information I can get my hands on as I don't have time to read all the crazy amount of posts.

Read Turbo_J post just above. It's the first time I've seen anyone make a good argument for the hallucination starting at the beginning of the London mission.

[HellishFiend]

I just viewed the codex entry on the Cain, and it refers to it as a "particle accelerator", and goes on to talk about generating mass effect fields that have a shearing force. The shearing force is supposedly what causes the archetypical "mushroom cloud" explosion.

That is not what we see being used against the Hades Cannon Reaper.

In addition, I cannot find an entry on "Thanix Missiles" in the codex at all.

The idea that the majority of London was part of the hallucination is starting to seem more realistic.

[prettz]

HellishFiend wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I think I saw the part in the control ending where Starbringer of Doom goes corporeal. Is it where you put both hands on those...handles and an energy wave goes off? It kinda looks like it, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, thats the moment. It happens right as the "shockwave" hits Starbinger. That bears a strong parallel to how the shockwave from the destroy ending causes the Carnifex to change to a Predator.

ok hears a photo of the shockwave hitting. is this what where talking about?

[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I think I saw the part in the control ending where Starbringer of Doom goes corporeal. Is it where you put both hands on those...handles and an energy wave goes off? It kinda looks like it, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, thats the moment. It happens right as the "shockwave" hits Starbinger. That bears a strong parallel to how the shockwave from the destroy ending causes the Carnifex to change to a Predator.

ok hears a photo of the shockwave hitting. is this what where talking about?

More or less. Though it doesnt look like the effect has reached his upper body yet or developed the color (the color is subtle, but its there).  Even so, you can already see the increased opacity and texturing in the lower body. 

edit: here is my original screen for comparison




edit 2: And here is a full-body shot of Starbinger as we see him the other 99% of the time

Modifié par HellishFiend, 06 juin 2012 - 10:51 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Yup that's it. That can't be a coincidence, it even mirrors the gun change. Now if only we can find something for Synthesis. I watched the ending again over and over, but I didn't find anythin, just Starbringer looking creepy in the back as you run.

[Starbuck8]

prettz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I think I saw the part in the control ending where Starbringer of Doom goes corporeal. Is it where you put both hands on those...handles and an energy wave goes off? It kinda looks like it, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, thats the moment. It happens right as the "shockwave" hits Starbinger. That bears a strong parallel to how the shockwave from the destroy ending causes the Carnifex to change to a Predator.

ok hears a photo of the shockwave hitting. is this what where talking about?

Woah! Nice shot, that definitely looks like him turning corporeal with the shockwave. Kinda creepy.

So we have quite a coincidence of key elements changing instantly when the destroy or control shockwave hits. Coincidental glitches? Or clues?

Would you be able to look for anything similar happening with synthesis? Not really possible for me since I'm on the xbox.

[UrgentArchengel]

That does it. I am definiately starting to believe IT a hell of a lot more now. First, the gun thing in destroy was quite fishy, but now that it happens to Starbringer in control??? That's the final nail on the coffin for me.

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Woah! Nice shot, that definitely looks like him turning corporeal with the shockwave. Kinda creepy.

So we have quite a coincidence of key elements changing instantly when the destroy or control shockwave hits. Coincidental glitches? Or clues?

Would you be able to look for anything similar happening with synthesis? Not really possible for me since I'm on the xbox.

Similar to the gun change, it can not be a glitch. There is no texturing on starbinger in his non-corporeal form. Bioware would have had to add the texturing in specifically for that scene.