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Yeah, the Jessica thing was a while ago. She's been blacked out from what I hear.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Just replaying Priority Earth now;

"I was born in London..." Creepy

Anderson repeats himself in that scene. He told Shepard about that via QEC.

Btw, could the QEC be intercepted by the Reapers and fed with fake data?


I don't think there would be any way. Quantum entanglement is a real phenomenon. Google it or Wiki it, and you'll probably understand how this type of communication couldn't be intercepted.

I know how it works but maybe the Reapers could find some way in higher dimensions.


Haha, well I'm glad I didn't try explaining it then :D

Anyway, with :wizard: anything is possible! But realistically, I highly doubt it.

The velocity with which information travels between entangled particles isn't infinite but it's extremely high (thousands of times the speed of light). So perhaps it could be somehow intercepted within the constraints of the ME franchise (e.g. during Mass Relay jump a relative speed between an interceptor and the signal would be bearable for interception purposes).

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Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.

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That WAS my argument, since it states it shoots it really fast, when you fire a high explosive slug at superhigh speeds you get a railgun, a classic sci-fi staple. But in the end I am not going to bother arguing it, since the "Hades Cannon seeking" bit was just so you wouldn't waste Cains in my opinion, since they only fire once and they only put two of them there.

I'm on your side and not attempting to start an argument, but the slug contain's no high explosives, it's just a piece of metal, it's purely it's speed of impact that creates the explosion, basically a high tech version of a cannon ball.

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DJBare wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
That WAS my argument, since it states it shoots it really fast, when you fire a high explosive slug at superhigh speeds you get a railgun, a classic sci-fi staple. But in the end I am not going to bother arguing it, since the "Hades Cannon seeking" bit was just so you wouldn't waste Cains in my opinion, since they only fire once and they only put two of them there.

I'm on your side and not attempting to start an argument, but the slug contain's no high explosives, it's just a piece of metal, it's purely it's speed of impact that creates the explosion, basically a high tech version of a cannon ball.


That's a slug from a Mass Accelerator cannon, I was talking about the Cain, which DOES use a conventional high explosive slug.

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Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.


Seconded. I want to see it too.

Though...:crying: *sniff* I'm beginning to feel replaced. :pinched:

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.


Seconded. I want to see it too.

Though...:crying: *sniff* I'm beginning to feel replaced. :pinched:

YOU ARE LEGEND, some may join you but you will never be replaced.

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Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.


I thought about it. I was actually going to make a video with FemShep actually narrating along the way. I recorded a full playthrough with my canon and probably have most of the dialog I need to cut it together, but with my main comp on the fritz and the amount of work it would be... I don't know. Even writing it all out would be a lot of work. Much of the info on the process of Shep's (ATTEMPTED) indoctrination is already out there... sure some people have missed things, but others fill in the gaps.

My posts here are enough to stand on record that I 'may' have figured a few things out.

Did you see my mention about Sanctuary actually being a Reaper trolling on TIM/Cerberus. They were tricked into making it a Reaper goo factory. Read the datapads next time you are there.

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Sanctuary being a double trick, not just the cerberus part, would be fascinating.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Sanctuary being a double trick, not just the cerberus part, would be fascinating.


Tripple, actually - it's also the place where the seeds of controlling the Reapers is planted into the players head... by alluding to the fact that Lawson had managed to control husks on a local level with success... Thing is, Shep herslef warns the player... 'Controlling husks is one thing, but (a) Reaper!' - never mind a fleet!

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Moutoku wrote...

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Just replaying Priority Earth now;

"I was born in London..." Creepy


and he doesn't sound at all british english:bandit:




That really doesn't mean a thing, he may have been born there but doesn't mean he grew up there.

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Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.


Seconded. I want to see it too.

Though...:crying: *sniff* I'm beginning to feel replaced. :pinched:

YOU ARE LEGEND, some may join you but you will never be replaced.


A legend? Really? That's a bit strong... :unsure: I just put down to paper what a bunch of people were already thinking, wrote an OK story and talked with you guys alot.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.


I thought about it. I was actually going to make a video with FemShep actually narrating along the way. I recorded a full playthrough with my canon and probably have most of the dialog I need to cut it together, but with my main comp on the fritz and the amount of work it would be... I don't know. Even writing it all out would be a lot of work. Much of the info on the process of Shep's (ATTEMPTED) indoctrination is already out there... sure some people have missed things, but others fill in the gaps.

My posts here are enough to stand on record that I 'may' have figured a few things out.

Did you see my mention about Sanctuary actually being a Reaper trolling on TIM/Cerberus. They were tricked into making it a Reaper goo factory. Read the datapads next time you are there.

Yeah, it's alot of extra work, so, I understand.:happy: And no, I missed your post on sanctuary. :(

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Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.


Seconded. I want to see it too.

Though...:crying: *sniff* I'm beginning to feel replaced. :pinched:

YOU ARE LEGEND, some may join you but you will never be replaced.


I'm nothing special Arian. It's times like these we all stand together.

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*Makes Vomiting motion*

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.


Seconded. I want to see it too.

Though...:crying: *sniff* I'm beginning to feel replaced. :pinched:

YOU ARE LEGEND, some may join you but you will never be replaced.


A legend? Really? That's a bit strong... :unsure: I just put down to paper what a bunch of people were already thinking, wrote an OK story and talked with you guys alot.

More than I've been able to do. If sitting down having a beer I could theorize with you all day. But to put it together and present it to the public....... not so much. The amount of comprehensive documentation you have put together, weather people agree with you or not, is impressive. So maybe it's a little over the top, but yeah, legend.

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Thanks guys. Maybe it's just a lack of sleep and happy pills putting me in this mood. Need vitamin A, stave off the depressions again... anyway night.

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ok, what about the Reapers

Legion tells you what they are between the two games, but it's in subtext so you need to listen.

Geth = programs. Programs + network = intelligence. A gestalt intellect, a nation, but interdependent. A fractured mind.

Reapers = Each a nation, free of all weakness.
Nazara = programs in Sovereign (may be 'Nazara' was the name of the race harvested). Each a fully evolved AI or more given what Reaper code did for the Geth.

Biogoo = people = programs. Each an individual, but dependent. Enslaved. Billions of fully evolved AIs... "a single thought was immense, unknowable"

Legion - About the Reaper upgrades: We would be alive, but WITH FREE WILL - independent and free willed 'individuals'. ...'you mean they didn't get along because the Geth were not individuals?'

The programs inside a Reaper are the culmination of the enslaved population. They have no free will, no individuality, no choice. Thus the AI part of the Reaper likely imposes some sort of consensus. Living with no soul is not life.

As part of the consensus, Geth were unable to develop emotions. As soon as Legion's independent personality began to emerge, so did his emotions. It started way before you can imagine... just look at his shoulder. It became obvious in the Shuttle on the way to the base, where he expressed shame.

There is way more to this, but you get the idea.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Oh, about TIMs implants... keep in mind, some of that tech was sabotaged by the Cerberus scientist defectors: (Datapad entry.)

Who knows how that tech has messed him up... or maybe, it actually prevented the tech from doing what the Reapers had hoped it would do to him and prevented him from being fully indoctrinated... ya never know.

You're just full of all kinds of interesting points. If you have the time you should put them together in a blog or post them here and PM me with a link so I don't miss it.


Seconded. I want to see it too.

Though...:crying: *sniff* I'm beginning to feel replaced. :pinched:


Sir, you are irreplaceable!  ^_^

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Yeah, Arian is a badass! I could do the work, but it's a lot of work for me. I don't have the PC version or do I try to think about ME all the time. I am actually trying to ween off of speculation. Lol.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Yeah, Arian is a badass! I could do the work, but it's a lot of work for me. I don't have the PC version or do I try to think about ME all the time. I am actually trying to ween off of speculation. Lol.


I think once the EC comes out and we have all the answers, most of us are going to have to join a "Speculators Anonymous" 12-step program to break this addicting habit!  :D

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Big Bad wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Yeah, Arian is a badass! I could do the work, but it's a lot of work for me. I don't have the PC version or do I try to think about ME all the time. I am actually trying to ween off of speculation. Lol.


I think once the EC comes out and we have all the answers, most of us are going to have to join a "Speculators Anonymous" 12-step program to break this addicting habit!  :D


ISA-Indoctrinated Speculators Anonymous.  Lol, yes!!!

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Big Bad wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Yeah, Arian is a badass! I could do the work, but it's a lot of work for me. I don't have the PC version or do I try to think about ME all the time. I am actually trying to ween off of speculation. Lol.


I think once the EC comes out and we have all the answers, most of us are going to have to join a "Speculators Anonymous" 12-step program to break this addicting habit!  :D


For me this is just a way to have hope. I will be happy or depressed when EC comes out.

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Big Bad wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Yeah, Arian is a badass! I could do the work, but it's a lot of work for me. I don't have the PC version or do I try to think about ME all the time. I am actually trying to ween off of speculation. Lol.


I think once the EC comes out and we have all the answers, most of us are going to have to join a "Speculators Anonymous" 12-step program to break this addicting habit!  :D


Don't kid yourself.

3 or 4 centuries of war for the Prothians. Even with a united galaxy, this war won't be won in a day.

First we wake up, "...and it's that's just the beginning."