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[Turbo_J]

Damn! It's sooo mundane, but so obvious.

Resources.

If you are a Reaper... and then you want to be lots of Reapers... to continue your existence, you need resources. This is known and makes sense.

But... what is a planet to a Reaper?

Fossil fuel? (I know it's not truly finite), but entire planets and asteroids are to a degree.

How long would it take a solar system to recover if the planets in it were consumed? Few billion years.

Well, what do you do? Maybe use the most abundant renewable resource around. Organi-goo. Recovers much faster than a planet and requires very little to cultivate.

So simple, so elegant, so... obvious.

[dorktainian]

why do the reapers waste resources? I mean if one reaper is one cycle, then you just made em waste several cycles worth of resources by killing a few of em in ME3. Do they hold any value in their reaped collegues?

Modifié par dorktainian, 06 juin 2012 - 03:05 .

[paxxton]

Turbo_J wrote...

Damn! It's sooo mundane, but so obvious.

Resources.

If you are a Reaper... and then you want to be lots of Reapers... to continue your existence, you need resources. This is known and makes sense.

But... what is a planet to a Reaper?

Fossil fuel? (I know it's not truly finite), but entire planets and asteroids are to a degree.

How long would it take a solar system to recover if the planets in it were consumed? Few billion years.

Well, what do you do? Maybe use the most abundant renewable resource around. Organi-goo. Recovers much faster than a planet and requires very little to cultivate.

So simple, so elegant, so... obvious.

And so inefficient. The Reapers have to wage wars and indoctrinate organics instead of just resorting to using star energy.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 03:06 .

[llbountyhunter]

Wasn't that "reaper" you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 06 juin 2012 - 03:14 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

dorktainian wrote...

why do the reapers waste resources? I mean if one reaper is one cycle, then you just made em waste several cycles worth of resources by killing a few of em in ME3. Do they hold any value in their reaped collegues?

I'd like to imagine that not every cycle results in only a single reaper being born. I'd like to think there'd be some cycles where several races are seen as suitable for creating capital ships. Also, what about destroyers? I'm sure some of the lesser races are transformed into those.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 06 juin 2012 - 03:19 .

[paxxton]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that "reaper" you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer refitted with an AA gun.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 03:17 .

[Turbo_J]

paxxton wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Damn! It's sooo mundane, but so obvious.

Resources.

If you are a Reaper... and then you want to be lots of Reapers... to continue your existence, you need resources. This is known and makes sense.

But... what is a planet to a Reaper?

Fossil fuel? (I know it's not truly finite), but entire planets and asteroids are to a degree.

How long would it take a solar system to recover if the planets in it were consumed? Few billion years.

Well, what do you do? Maybe use the most abundant renewable resource around. Organi-goo. Recovers much faster than a planet and requires very little to cultivate.

So simple, so elegant, so... obvious.

And so inefficient. The Reapers have to wage wars and indoctrinate organics instead of just resorting to using star energy.

Not saying it's totally mundane... they get nothing from star energy but energy... with organics they get every ounce of data from the genetic material, possibly new tech for upgrades, and a bio-mass to use as data storage. Some of the intelligence of the species may even be 'actively' retained... just without soul or self. It's beyond quantum computing by leaps and bounds.

As for only harvesting one... a lie. A lie that is part of the deception. Part of the 'cycle'

I'm only throwing this out there, a-dun-nu

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that reaper you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer with the gun mounted on it, but my personal guess is that we did not kill it. Likely the Reaper was powering the gun with its own power source (or there would have been little reaosn to mount it on it in the first place) meaning it was likely drawing power away from its Kinetic barriers (or other systems) to power the cannon.

When the cannon is then destroyed it either damaged the Reaper due to weaker defenses or simply made it go into a kind of temporary shutdown from backlash or similar. I really doubt it was down for good.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

why do the reapers waste resources? I mean if one reaper is one cycle, then you just made em waste several cycles worth of resources by killing a few of em in ME3. Do they hold any value in their reaped collegues?

I'd like to imagine that the not every cycle results in only a single reaper being born. I'd like to think there'd be some cycles where several races are seen as suitable for creating capital ships. Also, what about destroyers? I'm sure some of the lesser races are transformed into those.

Thats my guess as well. The most worthy (if any race) of a cycle becomes a capital ship, the lesser becomes Destroyers.

[Turbo_J]

paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that "reaper" you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer refitted with an AA gun.

lol - 'pull that one out of moth balls/dry dock and slap a gun on it's back...'

It was a Hades cannon, not a freakin AA gun. lol

[GethPrimeMKII]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

why do the reapers waste resources? I mean if one reaper is one cycle, then you just made em waste several cycles worth of resources by killing a few of em in ME3. Do they hold any value in their reaped collegues?

I'd like to imagine that the not every cycle results in only a single reaper being born. I'd like to think there'd be some cycles where several races are seen as suitable for creating capital ships. Also, what about destroyers? I'm sure some of the lesser races are transformed into those.

Thats my guess as well. The most worthy (if any race) of a cycle becomes a capital ship, the lesser becomes Destroyers.

There'd have to be some cycles with several worthy races, else the reapers would be at a constant loss to maintain their capital ship numbers. Their greatest strength lies in those ships. I don't think the reapers can afford to lose that many of those.

[paxxton]

Turbo_J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that "reaper" you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer refitted with an AA gun.

lol - 'pull that one out of moth balls/dry dock and slap a gun on it's back...'

It was a Hades cannon, not a freakin AA gun. lol

Yup, Hades cannon was the name but it still fired in the air.

[Rosewind]

Turbo_J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Damn! It's sooo mundane, but so obvious.

Resources.

If you are a Reaper... and then you want to be lots of Reapers... to continue your existence, you need resources. This is known and makes sense.

But... what is a planet to a Reaper?

Fossil fuel? (I know it's not truly finite), but entire planets and asteroids are to a degree.

How long would it take a solar system to recover if the planets in it were consumed? Few billion years.

Well, what do you do? Maybe use the most abundant renewable resource around. Organi-goo. Recovers much faster than a planet and requires very little to cultivate.

So simple, so elegant, so... obvious.

And so inefficient. The Reapers have to wage wars and indoctrinate organics instead of just resorting to using star energy.

Not saying it's totally mundane... they get nothing from star energy but energy... with organics they get every ounce of data from the genetic material, possibly new tech for upgrades, and a bio-mass to use as data storage. Some of the intelligence of the species may even be 'actively' retained... just without soul or self. It's beyond quantum computing by leaps and bounds.

As for only harvesting one... a lie. A lie that is part of the deception. Part of the 'cycle'

I'm only throwing this out there, a-dun-nu

I agree possibly a lie, Javik said the the protheans weren't just one race if they only harvested one race what happened to the others...

[llbountyhunter]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that reaper you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer with the gun mounted on it, but my personal guess is that we did not kill it. Likely the Reaper was powering the gun with its own power source (or there would have been little reaosn to mount it on it in the first place) meaning it was likely drawing power away from its Kinetic barriers (or other systems) to power the cannon.

When the cannon is then destroyed it either damaged the Reaper due to weaker defenses or simply made it go into a kind of temporary shutdown from backlash or similar. I really doubt it was down for good.

We'll if the kinetic barriers were down to supply energy to the cannon then maybe it did go down for good. 

[Turbo_J]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that reaper you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer with the gun mounted on it, but my personal guess is that we did not kill it. Likely the Reaper was powering the gun with its own power source (or there would have been little reaosn to mount it on it in the first place) meaning it was likely drawing power away from its Kinetic barriers (or other systems) to power the cannon.

When the cannon is then destroyed it either damaged the Reaper due to weaker defenses or simply made it go into a kind of temporary shutdown from backlash or similar. I really doubt it was down for good.

Were you here for the 'clock tower in the breath scene' discussion?

The clock is right by the Hades cannon. That is where Shep woke up... what do you think that means?

Go back about 10-15 pages... 20 maybe. lol it was hopping in here last night.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that reaper you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer with the gun mounted on it, but my personal guess is that we did not kill it. Likely the Reaper was powering the gun with its own power source (or there would have been little reaosn to mount it on it in the first place) meaning it was likely drawing power away from its Kinetic barriers (or other systems) to power the cannon.

When the cannon is then destroyed it either damaged the Reaper due to weaker defenses or simply made it go into a kind of temporary shutdown from backlash or similar. I really doubt it was down for good.

We'll if the kinetic barriers were down to supply energy to the cannon then maybe it did go down for good. 

Probably not as the Quarian fleet required a direct hit on its weak spot to bring it down, but off course that was with purely kinetic weapons and not the explosive properties of the Cain while the Reaper its kinteic barriers up without a doubt.

But knocking it down for some time, perhaps. i am only guessing here.

[Turbo_J]

paxxton wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that "reaper" you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer refitted with an AA gun.

lol - 'pull that one out of moth balls/dry dock and slap a gun on it's back...'

It was a Hades cannon, not a freakin AA gun. lol

Yup, Hades cannon was the name but it still fired in the air.

Or maybe an AS gun, given it could take out a low orbit frigate or cruiser.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

why do the reapers waste resources? I mean if one reaper is one cycle, then you just made em waste several cycles worth of resources by killing a few of em in ME3. Do they hold any value in their reaped collegues?

I'd like to imagine that the not every cycle results in only a single reaper being born. I'd like to think there'd be some cycles where several races are seen as suitable for creating capital ships. Also, what about destroyers? I'm sure some of the lesser races are transformed into those.

Thats my guess as well. The most worthy (if any race) of a cycle becomes a capital ship, the lesser becomes Destroyers.

There'd have to be some cycles with several worthy races, else the reapers would be at a constant loss to maintain their capital ship numbers. Their greatest strength lies in those ships. I don't think the reapers can afford to lose that many of those.

Well from what we know it is not normal for them to loose a Capital ship in cycle. This paticular cycle has been extreme and they certainly wont recover the same number fo ships as they lost in this cycle.

But one has to remember that the Leviathan of DIn, a Reaper was categorized as beeing nearly a billion years old. Thats alot of cycles.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Turbo_J wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that reaper you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer with the gun mounted on it, but my personal guess is that we did not kill it. Likely the Reaper was powering the gun with its own power source (or there would have been little reaosn to mount it on it in the first place) meaning it was likely drawing power away from its Kinetic barriers (or other systems) to power the cannon.

When the cannon is then destroyed it either damaged the Reaper due to weaker defenses or simply made it go into a kind of temporary shutdown from backlash or similar. I really doubt it was down for good.

Were you here for the 'clock tower in the breath scene' discussion?

The clock is right by the Hades cannon. That is where Shep woke up... what do you think that means?

Go back about 10-15 pages... 20 maybe. lol it was hopping in here last night.

I saw it, but not entirely convinced on that paticular part. But who knows where we will end up in the end

[Turbo_J]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that reaper you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer with the gun mounted on it, but my personal guess is that we did not kill it. Likely the Reaper was powering the gun with its own power source (or there would have been little reaosn to mount it on it in the first place) meaning it was likely drawing power away from its Kinetic barriers (or other systems) to power the cannon.

When the cannon is then destroyed it either damaged the Reaper due to weaker defenses or simply made it go into a kind of temporary shutdown from backlash or similar. I really doubt it was down for good.

We'll if the kinetic barriers were down to supply energy to the cannon then maybe it did go down for good. 

Probably not as the Quarian fleet required a direct hit on its weak spot to bring it down, but off course that was with purely kinetic weapons and not the explosive properties of the Cain while the Reaper its kinteic barriers up without a doubt.

But knocking it down for some time, perhaps. i am only guessing here.

The 'cain' in the game is in question. It's not a cain or it's part of the delusion/hallucination. Cain's have never, not can they, fire guided projectiles. It's a rail gun - fires 25 gram slugs in a straight line. Seriously, go back and read if you have time. Lots of new info... including the fact that Thanix 'missiles' don't exist... no codex entry, no ME reality.

[GethPrimeMKII]

I'm not so sure about the entire London mission being a hallucination. To me, if Bioware wanted gamers to understand that they were hallucinating, the attack by Harbinger would be the best and most obvious starting point.

Then again there are some strange things going on during that mission. Everytime Shepard reaches an impasse, theres a weapon conveniently sitting there that can eliminate the threat ahead. The cain used to destroy the AA gun and the sudden appearance of Thanix missles when facing the destroyer just strikes me as odd.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 06 juin 2012 - 03:44 .

[llbountyhunter]

Turbo_J wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that reaper you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer with the gun mounted on it, but my personal guess is that we did not kill it. Likely the Reaper was powering the gun with its own power source (or there would have been little reaosn to mount it on it in the first place) meaning it was likely drawing power away from its Kinetic barriers (or other systems) to power the cannon.

When the cannon is then destroyed it either damaged the Reaper due to weaker defenses or simply made it go into a kind of temporary shutdown from backlash or similar. I really doubt it was down for good.

We'll if the kinetic barriers were down to supply energy to the cannon then maybe it did go down for good. 

Probably not as the Quarian fleet required a direct hit on its weak spot to bring it down, but off course that was with purely kinetic weapons and not the explosive properties of the Cain while the Reaper its kinteic barriers up without a doubt.

But knocking it down for some time, perhaps. i am only guessing here.

The 'cain' in the game is in question. It's not a cain or it's part of the delusion/hallucination. Cain's have never, not can they, fire guided projectiles. It's a rail gun - fires 25 gram slugs in a straight line. Seriously, go back and read if you have time. Lots of new info... including the fact that Thanix 'missiles' don't exist... no codex entry, no ME reality.

The codex is never up to date. It only informs on things already known.

[llbountyhunter]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm not so sure about the entire London mission being a hallucination. To me, if Bioware wanted gamers to understand that they were hallucinating, the attack by Harbinger would be the best and most obvious starting point.

Then again there are some strange things going on during that mission. Everytime Shepard reaches an impasse, theres a weapon conveniently sitting there that can eliminate the threat ahead. The cain used to destroy the AA gun and the sudden appearance of Thanix missles just strikes me as odd.

The shuttle carrying the heavy weapos went down there.

Also i think priority earth has odities because were lookinh at things from shepards point of view. Anderson probably looked at shepard weird because he saw how odd shepard was acting.

But its only untill the shuttle crashes that things make no sense at all.

*take a look at the link in my sig fo my opinion on when indoc started.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 06 juin 2012 - 03:52 .

[llbountyhunter]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Wasn't that reaper you took out on earth just a gun?

Its a sub-reaper with no real intelligence and has to be remote controlled.

So I wasn't too surprised when the cannon took it out.

It was a Destroyer with the gun mounted on it, but my personal guess is that we did not kill it. Likely the Reaper was powering the gun with its own power source (or there would have been little reaosn to mount it on it in the first place) meaning it was likely drawing power away from its Kinetic barriers (or other systems) to power the cannon.

When the cannon is then destroyed it either damaged the Reaper due to weaker defenses or simply made it go into a kind of temporary shutdown from backlash or similar. I really doubt it was down for good.

We'll if the kinetic barriers were down to supply energy to the cannon then maybe it did go down for good. 

Probably not as the Quarian fleet required a direct hit on its weak spot to bring it down, but off course that was with purely kinetic weapons and not the explosive properties of the Cain while the Reaper its kinteic barriers up without a doubt.

But knocking it down for some time, perhaps. i am only guessing here.

Well in the books it was stated that the quarians have the weakest fleet. There like scavegers using old and repurposed ships.

But the thanix weapons are stolen technology from soverign himself.

[MaximizedAction]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm not so sure about the entire London mission being a hallucination. To me, if Bioware wanted gamers to understand that they were hallucinating, the attack by Harbinger would be the best and most obvious starting point.

Then again there are some strange things going on during that mission. Everytime Shepard reaches an impasse, theres a weapon conveniently sitting there that can eliminate the threat ahead. The cain used to destroy the AA gun and the sudden appearance of Thanix missles when facing the destroyer just strikes me as odd.

A waking dreams seems like the best of both worlds: The mission is happening, but less and less is the way it seems. Explains that surreal funk (like: less banter, cam bobbling, allmighty cains) and doesn't nullify the whole energy invested into it.

BTW: Could someone who's playing MP help me out with something I've been wondering about since I finished the game:
When you pick the difficulty in MP, it's displayed with background pics:
Bronze: Manae Rannoch
Silver: ???
Gold: famous Reapers diving into Earth's atmosphere

Now, the location displayed for Silver...is that a Citadel ward with Reapers all over it???

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 06 juin 2012 - 04:00 .