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[Icinix]

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

[MaximizedAction]

Icinix wrote...

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

Or what if the game itself is a Kobayashimaru test for the fanbase?

But about your theory: could be, but then the Catalyst is still (on) the Citadel. Then the Reaper's plan to move it to Earth makes less sense again.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 mai 2012 - 11:21 .

[TSA_383]

Icinix wrote...

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

This only really works if you ignore the previous 20+ hours of gameplay, all the foreshadowing, and what you know about reaper indoctrination

[Icinix]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

Or what if the game itself is like a Kobayashimaru test for the fanbase?

Ha! Well at the moment, that is indeed exactly what the game is. The game is set up as a no-win scenario.

Fortunatley - we're all stubborn boostards who don't believe in no-win scenarios.

[MadRabbit999]

Icinix wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

Or what if the game itself is like a Kobayashimaru test for the fanbase?

Ha! Well at the moment, that is indeed exactly what the game is. The game is set up as a no-win scenario.

Fortunatley - we're all stubborn boostards who don't believe in no-win scenarios.

Maybe the real test is that as soon as you are presented with the 3 choices, you turn off your game, to proove that you will not take any of the Catalyst crap... at which point the game wil lrestart by itself and say "You have done it, you stood up to me, that was the test!"

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 16 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[MaximizedAction]

Icinix wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

Or what if the game itself is like a Kobayashimaru test for the fanbase?

Ha! Well at the moment, that is indeed exactly what the game is. The game is set up as a no-win scenario.

Fortunatley - we're all stubborn boostards who don't believe in no-win scenarios.

Ok, so who's our Kirk here?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[Icinix]

TSA_383 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

This only really works if you ignore the previous 20+ hours of gameplay, all the foreshadowing, and what you know about reaper indoctrination

Not really, the indoctrination can still be occuring, or at least being attempted.

The battle between Anderson and TIM can still be TIM being the indoctrination attempting to take over while Anderson can be the Crucible assisting you.

As it stands, people have said the clues and Anderson etc are your subconcious fighting back. What if they're the crucible giving you a leg up?

[Dantexr3]

Salient Archer wrote...

EDIT: [engage sarcasm filter] Unless the red-magic-tube only inflicted it on the side of Shepard we can't see ... hmm 

So Shepard is now like this guy?

[MaximizedAction]

Icinix wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

This only really works if you ignore the previous 20+ hours of gameplay, all the foreshadowing, and what you know about reaper indoctrination

Not really, the indoctrination can still be occuring, or at least being attempted.

The battle between Anderson and TIM can still be TIM being the indoctrination attempting to take over while Anderson can be the Crucible assisting you.

As it stands, people have said the clues and Anderson etc are your subconcious fighting back. What if they're the crucible giving you a leg up?

As I edited in my post above, it would make the Reaper's plan to relocate the Citadel to Earth stupid again. It being a trap seems more coherent to the nature of the Reaprs.

[TSA_383]

Unschuld wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
*tries to imagine the level of fan outcry if Liara turns out to be indoctrinated and shep has to kill her*

Their tears would make a most delicious drink, and I would start bottling it and selling it for a premium price. Yes, even my brother who is a Liaramancer.

Don't care, can't shoot Liara, I think it'd ruin my... not really childhood, but the fun times I've had with these games

[Icinix]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Icinix wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Theory:

What if the catalyst is actually a fail safe built into the crucible to test the activator of it for their resolve / indoctrination?

What if what we're experiencing is not indoctrination, but a kind of fail safe to check that the person who will control the Crucible is not a Reaper agent?

This only really works if you ignore the previous 20+ hours of gameplay, all the foreshadowing, and what you know about reaper indoctrination

Not really, the indoctrination can still be occuring, or at least being attempted.

The battle between Anderson and TIM can still be TIM being the indoctrination attempting to take over while Anderson can be the Crucible assisting you.

As it stands, people have said the clues and Anderson etc are your subconcious fighting back. What if they're the crucible giving you a leg up?

As I edited in my post above, it would make the Reaper's plan to relocate the Citadel to Earth stupid again. It being a trap seems more coherent to the nature of the Reaprs.

Absoloutely. But I always thought the need to reloacate the cidatel was always dumb anyway.

But if it is a trap, we still need a way to defeat the Reapers if conventional is not an option.

Edit: Anyway, just a thought,this way keeps the crucible as a weapon idea intact, while still upholding indoctrination theory - at least in a sense.

The idea here would be that the catalyst isn't the catalyst, the catalyst is the person who passes the Guardian / Crucible. The person who does that can then activate the weapon.

Modifié par Icinix, 16 mai 2012 - 11:39 .

[TSA_383]

dreamgazer wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Also probably worth noting is that your ruined armour that can be unlocked and used in-game has a hole in the leg, although that doesn't preclude it being from an old version of the ending.

Wait, what's this now?

If you unlock the end armour with the hole in it in the coaelescd file you can wander around looking like you've just been harbingerified for the entire game

[MegumiAzusa]

TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
*tries to imagine the level of fan outcry if Liara turns out to be indoctrinated and shep has to kill her*

Their tears would make a most delicious drink, and I would start bottling it and selling it for a premium price. Yes, even my brother who is a Liaramancer.

Don't care, can't shoot Liara, I think it'd ruin my... not really childhood, but the fun times I've had with these games

You remember the quote about making the player feel as Shep does?

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Also probably worth noting is that your ruined armour that can be unlocked and used in-game has a hole in the leg, although that doesn't preclude it being from an old version of the ending.

Wait, what's this now?

If you unlock the end armour with the hole in it in the coaelescd file you can wander around looking like you've just been harbingerified for the entire game

But also less soft around the edges.

TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
*tries to imagine the level of fan outcry if Liara turns out to be indoctrinated and shep has to kill her*

Their
tears would make a most delicious drink, and I would start bottling it
and selling it for a premium price. Yes, even my brother who is a
Liaramancer.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Don't care, can't shoot Liara, I think it'd ruin my... not really childhood, but the fun times I've had with these games [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

As much as I love Liara being my Shep's LI, her being indoctrinated and me having to decide whether to kill her or not...that be an incredibly awesome move from Bioware...badassful in the very sense of the definition.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 mai 2012 - 11:41 .

[Ang3l o Xn6]

Really good Fanfic, hope you guys will not be mad when the extended cut will be there.

those guys made a very great job on IT, so much dedicated to mass effect series probably most than Bioware, so i hope you not stop loving this game when we'll be sure that IT is wrong.

[Salient Archer]

Dantexr3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

EDIT: [engage sarcasm filter] Unless the red-magic-tube only inflicted it on the side of Shepard we can't see ... hmm 

So Shepard is now like this guy?

Hahaha, Lets see how loyal the LI would be after that 

[MegumiAzusa]

Salient Archer wrote...

Dantexr3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

EDIT: [engage sarcasm filter] Unless the red-magic-tube only inflicted it on the side of Shepard we can't see ... hmm 

So Shepard is now like this guy?

Hahaha, Lets see how loyal the LI would be after that 

Didn't stop Shep and Garrus in ME2

[Salient Archer]

Uploading a crap load of screen grabs from when Shep mows down the destruction tube. After watching it about 15 times in super slow-mo I'm going with Carnifex the whole way, but once I upload the the 20 pics you guys can decide as it's still a little ambiguous.

[MegumiAzusa]

Salient Archer wrote...

Uploading a crap load of screen grabs from when Shep mows down the destruction tube. After watching it about 15 times in super slow-mo I'm going with Carnifex the whole way, but once I upload the the 20 pics you guys can decide as it's still a little ambiguous.

What do you mean by "going with Carnifex the whole way"?

[Icinix]

 

Salient Archer wrote...

Uploading a crap load of screen grabs from when Shep mows down the destruction tube. After watching it about 15 times in super slow-mo I'm going with Carnifex the whole way, but once I upload the the 20 pics you guys can decide as it's still a little ambiguous.

 

Absoloutely no need. It definitely becomes the Predator.

http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=176s 

balance5050 wrote...

 Here's the combination of pics that I found illustartes it the best so far.


 
 


   

[Salient Archer]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Uploading a crap load of screen grabs from when Shep mows down the destruction tube. After watching it about 15 times in super slow-mo I'm going with Carnifex the whole way, but once I upload the the 20 pics you guys can decide as it's still a little ambiguous.

What do you mean by "going with Carnifex the whole way"?

I mean I've watched it too many times and I can't seem to see a definitive point where it could suddenly become the predator ... I've used both guns in MP a lot (actually finished every map on Gold boast, boast) and even I'm struggling to decide during those final explosions.

[Salient Archer]

Icinix wrote...

 

Salient Archer wrote...

Uploading a crap load of screen grabs from when Shep mows down the destruction tube. After watching it about 15 times in super slow-mo I'm going with Carnifex the whole way, but once I upload the the 20 pics you guys can decide as it's still a little ambiguous.

 

Absoloutely no need. It definitely becomes the Predator.

http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=176s 

balance5050 wrote...

 Here's the combination of pics that I found illustartes it the best so far.


 
 


   

I've scene those photos before, but despite the apparent two-tone effect in these shots I'm not seeing the same result in my video. I'm uploading the photos for proof right now. Do you have the original video these images came from? I'm curious to compare because maybe there's more to this!

[MegumiAzusa]

Salient Archer wrote...

Icinix wrote...

 

Salient Archer wrote...

Uploading a crap load of screen grabs from when Shep mows down the destruction tube. After watching it about 15 times in super slow-mo I'm going with Carnifex the whole way, but once I upload the the 20 pics you guys can decide as it's still a little ambiguous.

 

Absoloutely no need. It definitely becomes the Predator.

http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=176s 

balance5050 wrote...

 Here's the combination of pics that I found illustartes it the best so far.


 
 


   

I've scene those photos before, but despite the apparent two-tone effect in these shots I'm not seeing the same result in my video. I'm uploading the photos for proof right now. Do you have the original video these images came from? I'm curious to compare because maybe there's more to this!

The changing gun is the same for me:

[Icinix]

Salient Archer wrote...
(snip)

I've scene those photos before, but despite the apparent two-tone effect in these shots I'm not seeing the same result in my video. I'm uploading the photos for proof right now. Do you have the original video these images came from? I'm curious to compare because maybe there's more to this!

Video link was in the top of the quote. Guy is using flycam, and it definitely changes.

[Salient Archer]

All images in time order:

Before first cutaway angle #1




Before first cutaway angle #2


Before first cutaway angle #3


After first cutaway angle #1 (4)



After second cutaway only one angle (5) - no view of the gun during this entire section


After third cutaway - one one angle (6) (First time we see the gun after cutaway)

Continued...