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[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I'm still not convinced by that "Anderson looking in the camera" thing. It might be just a coincidence when he was moving his eyes and their line of sight crossed the camera.

Nothing is a coincidence in Citadel: The Return. Bioware explicitly stated that it is "choreographed down to the second". Theyve also specifically mentioned eye movement and camera perspective as things they use as storytelling devices. 

Yes, but it seems unbelievable. When you move your eyes side to side their lines of sight always cross points that happen to lie at the intersection of them and the space in front of you. Sorry for the math jargon, I had to be precise.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 05:16 .

[HellishFiend]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

No limits on imagination is good. But having no limits on what you seriously think is real is  insanity.

Speculation needs a solid foundation.

You're confusing speculation on reality with literary analysis. You can be as ridiculous as you want with literary analysis and it will never be considered insanity. 

Same concept applies in order to be take seriously. 

If a "serious" literary analyzer operates under the requirement of being taken "seriously", he limits himself in ways that renders the entire affair pointless. 

This isnt science, nor is it reality, nor is it history. This is literature. Anyone who has taken a class in literature knows that it is limited only by your imagination. Consensus or agreement or "being taken seriously" is not a requirement at any point in the process of literary analysis for it to be valid. It's entirely subjective. It's entirely opinion, until/unless confirmed or rejected by the author. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 06 juin 2012 - 05:18 .

[Turbo_J]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

No limits on imagination is good. But having no limits on what you seriously think is real is  insanity.

Speculation needs a solid foundation.

You're confusing speculation on reality with literary analysis. You can be as ridiculous as you want with literary analysis and it will never be considered insanity. 

Same concept applies in order to be take seriously. 

We have a pretty smart bunch here. I think critical thinking is alive and well and most can filter out the paranoia or can hopefully resist the '23' spiral of doom.

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, Anderson rolling his eyes in London looked as if he didn't want anyone to see that he was worried or he was checking on Shepard to see if he didn't figure out that something wasn't right.

If it's not a hallucination, then Anderson and Coats might be Reaper double agents. Hence, this cinematically common eye roll.

If it's all a hallucination, then this Anderson might be Shepard's mind still fighting and represents the resisting side we later see on the Citadel dialog.
OR, if it's hallucination, how about something like Futurama's episode where Fry/Leela gets stung by a space bee?

What do you mean a common cinematic eye roll?
In a hallucination what purpose would Coats serve?

A tether for Harby to influence directly like the child?

But Coats doesn't really say anything unusual.

[Rosewind]

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, Anderson rolling his eyes in London looked as if he didn't want anyone to see that he was worried or he was checking on Shepard to see if he didn't figure out that something wasn't right.

If it's not a hallucination, then Anderson and Coats might be Reaper double agents. Hence, this cinematically common eye roll.

If it's all a hallucination, then this Anderson might be Shepard's mind still fighting and represents the resisting side we later see on the Citadel dialog.
OR, if it's hallucination, how about something like Futurama's episode where Fry/Leela gets stung by a space bee?

What do you mean a common cinematic eye roll?
In a hallucination what purpose would Coats serve?

A tether for Harby to influence directly like the child?

But Coats doesn't really say anything unusual.

Would he have to? Maybe he just a means for harby to control the scene doesn't mean he has to say something btw I meant control not influence sorry.

[Turbo_J]

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

[llbountyhunter]

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

No limits on imagination is good. But having no limits on what you seriously think is real is  insanity.

Speculation needs a solid foundation.

You're confusing speculation on reality with literary analysis. You can be as ridiculous as you want with literary analysis and it will never be considered insanity. 

Same concept applies in order to be take seriously. 

If a "serious" literary analyzer operates under the requirement of being taken "seriously", he limits himself in ways that renders the entire affair pointless. 

This isnt science, nor is it reality, nor is it history. This is literature. Anyone who has taken a class in literature knows that it is limited only by your imagination. Consensus or agreement or "being taken seriously" is not a required at any point in the process of literary analysis for it to be valid. It's entirely subjective. It's entirely opinion, until/unless confirmed or rejected by the author. 

Your not getting what i meant.

Not being take seiously just because others dont WANT to take you seriously even though you have  a solid basis

Is very different from not being taken seriously because your ideas CANT be taken seriously.

[EpyonX3]

So bioware intened on making you guys see that Shepard's abdomen was already injured before he shot Anderson.



And yet Shepard holding his abdomen is used for IT?

[EpyonX3]

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Well, after reading the replies I remain unconvinced. Just seems to me like the whole thing is grasping at straws.

The reason the little boy appears in Shepards dreams is because it is a manifestation of his guilt, the fact he couldn't save him weighs heavily on him and so he has nightmares about. Also he can hear the echoes of the others who have died under his command.

Seems fairly straightforward to me. No reason to imagine it's anything else but guilt eating away at him. Even Joker confirms he's under mega stress, as in the most in his life. Who wouldn't be, with what was on his shoulders.

Also, for your reference :-
http://social.biowar.../index/11028404

Clarity and closure is all that's coming. Thank God. To bend the ending around this IT bollocks would basically alienate me as a Bioware customer forever. And I've got a lot of patience and time for this company.

[Rosewind]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

Think they saying the whole earth mission doesn't exist.

[Riot86]

paxxton wrote...

But Coats doesn't really say anything unusual.

"Our ENTIRE forces has been decimated".

This is not only a lie, but also takes a bit "hope" away from Shepard. And remember, hope is a theme mentionend several times throughout ME 3. When facing the Starchild, Shepard himself says "Without hope, we might as well be machines".

So taking this away from Shepard, might make him more susceptible to the Reaper's influence.

[llbountyhunter]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Well, after reading the replies I remain unconvinced. Just seems to me like the whole thing is grasping at straws.

The reason the little boy appears in Shepards dreams is because it is a manifestation of his guilt, the fact he couldn't save him weighs heavily on him and so he has nightmares about. Also he can hear the echoes of the others who have died under his command.

Seems fairly straightforward to me. No reason to imagine it's anything else but guilt eating away at him. Even Joker confirms he's under mega stress, as in the most in his life. Who wouldn't be, with what was on his shoulders.

Also, for your reference :-
http://social.biowar.../index/11028404

Clarity and closure is all that's coming. Thank God. To bend the ending around this IT bollocks would basically alienate me as a Bioware customer forever. And I've got a lot of patience and time for this company.

Here is an example of NO speculation. This is bad as well. we need moderation

[EpyonX3]

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

Think they saying the whole earth mission doesn't exist.

http://t3.gstatic.co...olkFELtYYukQpBb

[HellishFiend]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


If a "serious" literary analyzer operates under the requirement of being taken "seriously", he limits himself in ways that renders the entire affair pointless. 

This isnt science, nor is it reality, nor is it history. This is literature. Anyone who has taken a class in literature knows that it is limited only by your imagination. Consensus or agreement or "being taken seriously" is not a required at any point in the process of literary analysis for it to be valid. It's entirely subjective. It's entirely opinion, until/unless confirmed or rejected by the author. 

Your not getting what i meant.

Not being take seiously just because others dont WANT to take you seriously even though you have  a solid basis

Is very different from not being taken seriously because your ideas CANT be taken seriously.

I think that you're the one that isnt getting what I mean.

You're still talking about the opinions of others affecting your literary analysis. My point is that the opinions of others dont matter in literary analysis. If you dont throw your regard for the opinions of others out the window, you're engaging in the wrong hobby.

Literary analysis isnt about being the cool kid that everyone agrees with, its about stimulating and exercising the creative parts of your brain. If you can back up your analysis with sound logic and evidence that causes people to be unable to argue it, great. But it is not required.

You could say that the original Star Wars trilogy is a metaphor for the life cycle of a mosquito, and there is nothing wrong with that. No one will agree with it. They may say it "cant" be taken seriously, but then again, most of those people dont understand what it means to engage in and enjoy the process of literary analysis and speculation. Pity for them. 

[paxxton]

Riot86 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But Coats doesn't really say anything unusual.

"Our ENTIRE forces has been decimated".

This is not only a lie, but also takes a bit "hope" away from Shepard. And remember, hope is a theme mentionend several times throughout ME 3. When facing the Starchild, Shepard himself says "Without hope, we might as well be machines".

So taking this away from Shepard, might make him more susceptible to the Reaper's influence.

I meant before the beam hit.

[EpyonX3]

Riot86 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But Coats doesn't really say anything unusual.

"Our ENTIRE forces has been decimated".

This is not only a lie, but also takes a bit "hope" away from Shepard. And remember, hope is a theme mentionend several times throughout ME 3. When facing the Starchild, Shepard himself says "Without hope, we might as well be machines".

So taking this away from Shepard, might make him more susceptible to the Reaper's influence.

One of the definitions of decimate:

"To reduce drastically especially in number"

It wasn't a lie.

[Turbo_J]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

Find her line in the game... or something similar to it. I found the Asari's... the one in the Wrex cut scene... it's the same line used by the same VA  on Thessia. "we need reinforcements." or something to that effect.

Could be made up... the Geth consensus had a lot of things in it that we'd never heard before.

If Cerberus can fake video, you'd think an immense thought capable super squid could drum up a voice of a human and make it say... whatever it wants.

There is a difference between making stuff up for the illusion and altering knowns. Maybe this explains the red phone booths. Shep's never been to London. This could be why it feels so sparce and lacks depth.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

Think they saying the whole earth mission doesn't exist.

http://t3.gstatic.co...olkFELtYYukQpBb

That must have really shocked you, Epyon.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 05:35 .

[HellishFiend]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Here is an example of NO speculation. This is bad as well. we need moderation

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say you've never studied or taken a real class on literature. Moderation? Really? This isnt a sport or a contest. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 06 juin 2012 - 05:34 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

EpyonX3 wrote...

So bioware intened on making you guys see that Shepard's abdomen was already injured before he shot Anderson.
*snop*
And yet Shepard holding his abdomen is used for IT?

Hey, that reminds me.

Shep doesn't start bleeding until she sits down.
And when they show the blood on her hand, it's also all over her forearms.
Both of them.

[D.Sharrah]

EpyonX3 wrote...

So bioware intened on making you guys see that Shepard's abdomen was already injured before he shot Anderson.



And yet Shepard holding his abdomen is used for IT?

It's no so much that he is holding his abdomen (in fact it has been shown that he held it at other moments as well), its that at the conclusion of the scene (right after Anderson "dies"), the camera focuses on Shep's hand after he lifts it from his abdomen to reveal a bloody mess (which just happens to be in the same place Anderson was "shot")...it's just one of many things that happen during the last bit of the game, that seems off.  Seems off because it doesn't seem 100% right and seems off because the camera specifically draws attention to it.

[Turbo_J]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

Think they saying the whole earth mission doesn't exist.

http://t3.gstatic.co...olkFELtYYukQpBb

Epic... because that is how people should be reacting.

[Riot86]

paxxton wrote...

I meant before the beam hit.

Oh...stupid me ^^

EpyonX3 wrote...

One of the definitions of decimate:

"To reduce drastically especially in number"

It wasn't a lie.

As I said, I'm not a native speaker

But I always thought Coates answering to the question whether anyone has gotten to the beam by saying "our entire force has been decimated" (with the emphasis on ENTIRE) means in fact: everyone's gone!

Modifié par Riot86, 06 juin 2012 - 05:41 .

[llbountyhunter]

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Here is an example of NO speculation. This is bad as well. we need moderation

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say you've never studied or taken a real class on literature. Moderation? Really? This isnt a sport or a contest. 

Your kidding, right?

Ok im done here.