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[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

Think they saying the whole earth mission doesn't exist.

http://t3.gstatic.co...olkFELtYYukQpBb

Epic... because that is how people should be reacting.

 

Yep... That meme is typically used sarcastically, but I think in this case, we can take it at "face value!"

Modifié par HellishFiend, 06 juin 2012 - 05:39 .

[EpyonX3]

D.Sharrah wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

So bioware intened on making you guys see that Shepard's abdomen was already injured before he shot Anderson.



And yet Shepard holding his abdomen is used for IT?

It's no so much that he is holding his abdomen (in fact it has been shown that he held it at other moments as well), its that at the conclusion of the scene (right after Anderson "dies"), the camera focuses on Shep's hand after he lifts it from his abdomen to reveal a bloody mess (which just happens to be in the same place Anderson was "shot")...it's just one of many things that happen during the last bit of the game, that seems off.  Seems off because it doesn't seem 100% right and seems off because the camera specifically draws attention to it.

Both of his arms are a bloody mess. The reason it's seen better in that scene is because Bioware raised the level of detail. It gets raised slowly as the scene progresses. I posted pictures before. Let me know if you'd like to see them.

[Turbo_J]

D.Sharrah wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

So bioware intened on making you guys see that Shepard's abdomen was already injured before he shot Anderson.



And yet Shepard holding his abdomen is used for IT?

It's no so much that he is holding his abdomen (in fact it has been shown that he held it at other moments as well), its that at the conclusion of the scene (right after Anderson "dies"), the camera focuses on Shep's hand after he lifts it from his abdomen to reveal a bloody mess (which just happens to be in the same place Anderson was "shot")...it's just one of many things that happen during the last bit of the game, that seems off.  Seems off because it doesn't seem 100% right and seems off because the camera specifically draws attention to it.

And to be clear, there was no blood before the close up and the blood is gone after the ride up to see glowy boy.

So Shep is bleeding out from a wound matching Andersons... a wound that supposidly killed Anderson within 5 minutes, but is okay now that... I got nothin.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

So bioware intened on making you guys see that Shepard's abdomen was already injured before he shot Anderson.



And yet Shepard holding his abdomen is used for IT?

It's no so much that he is holding his abdomen (in fact it has been shown that he held it at other moments as well), its that at the conclusion of the scene (right after Anderson "dies"), the camera focuses on Shep's hand after he lifts it from his abdomen to reveal a bloody mess (which just happens to be in the same place Anderson was "shot")...it's just one of many things that happen during the last bit of the game, that seems off.  Seems off because it doesn't seem 100% right and seems off because the camera specifically draws attention to it.

That's right. Besides, after traveling with the FTL beam Shepard could feel nauseous. And he presses his stomach to induce vomiting like Abominations in ME1.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 05:47 .

[HellishFiend]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Here is an example of NO speculation. This is bad as well. we need moderation

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say you've never studied or taken a real class on literature. Moderation? Really? This isnt a sport or a contest. 

Your kidding, right?

Ok im done here.

No, I'm not kidding. Go ask anyone with a background in literature if the word moderation belongs in any discussion about it. 

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

Think they saying the whole earth mission doesn't exist.

http://t3.gstatic.co...olkFELtYYukQpBb

Epic... because that is how people should be reacting.

 

Yep... That meme is typically used sarcastically, but I think in this case, we can take it at "face value!"

I think I love you.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yep... That meme is typically used sarcastically, but I think in this case, we can take it at "face value!"

I think I love you.

[Corik]

Really... between the offtopics and the haters... this thread is getting very bad. Can I suggest to stay on topic and people who are not able to make constructive criticism go away? Thanks.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Coates is a minor form of TIM. Fits in with increasingly stronger stages of indoctrination.

So if Coates is not real, neither is the woman he's talking to on the radio. Unless we're taking it even further and saying she doesn't exist?

Think they saying the whole earth mission doesn't exist.

http://t3.gstatic.co...olkFELtYYukQpBb

That must have really shocked you, Epyon.

Only a little.

[dreamgazer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Both of his arms are a bloody mess. The reason it's seen better in that scene is because Bioware raised the level of detail. It gets raised slowly as the scene progresses. I posted pictures before. Let me know if you'd like to see them.

Blood starts spilling from the wound. The camera focuses very clearly on it for emphasis once Shepard slumps onto the circular thing at the center, and you see it coat Shepard's arm afterwards once s/he starts stumbling towards the console. Whether it's for emotional impact or surreal suggestion is another argument altogether, but there'a s significant shift in the integrity of the wound after the gunfire sequence.

The arm-holding shouldn't be given too much credence, as it's a stock "I'm hurt" motion across all three games. The pronounced increase in trauma of the wound after the Anderson shot, however, is very noticeable ... to a point where it's pretty obvious that it's intended.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 06 juin 2012 - 05:46 .

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

Really... between the offtopics and the haters... this thread is getting very bad. Can I suggest to stay on topic and people who are not able to make constructive criticism go away? Thanks.

You're right. We essentially wasted an entire page in a discussion about what is valid enough to be a discussion. Clearing that up shouldnt take up more than a few posts. Anything that is on-topic is valid for discussion. 
End of debate.  As much as I disagree with Epyon on most points, his posts were some of the most on-topic in the entire previous page. 

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Both of his arms are a bloody mess. The reason it's seen better in that scene is because Bioware raised the level of detail. It gets raised slowly as the scene progresses. I posted pictures before. Let me know if you'd like to see them.

Blood starts spilling from the wound. The camera focuses very clearly on it for emphasis once Shepard slumps onto the circular thing at the center, and you see it coat Shepard's arm afterwards once s/he starts stumbling towards the console. Whether it's for emotional impact or surreal suggestion is another argument altogether, but there'a s significant shift in the integrity of the wound after the gunfire sequence.

The arm-holding shouldn't be given too much credence, as it's a stock "I'm hurt" motion across all three games. The pronounced increase in trauma of the wound after the Anderson shot, however, is very noticeable ... to a point where it's pretty obvious that it's intended.

You worded that exactly how I was thinking it. I agree completely on all points. 

[Lord Luc1fer]

Has everyone just seen the new operation 'Mastiff'? It's compeltion of 100K retrieval missions. Not only are retrieval missions new, didn't somebody recently mention how a retrieval objective could be a tie in to locating a wounded shepard? It was a while back, not sure who it was. Just thought this fits with Arians business model..

[HellishFiend]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Has everyone just seen the new operation 'Mastiff'? It's compeltion of 100K retrieval missions. Not only are retrieval missions new, didn't somebody recently mention how a retrieval objective could be a tie in to locating a wounded shepard? It was a while back, not sure who it was. Just thought this fits with Arians business model..

It very well could. Specifics aside, I hope Arian is right that MP is going to wind up tying in closely with the storyline, because I love MP and would love to see them more intertwined. 

[Lord Luc1fer]

*snip* I hope Arian is right *snip*

Modifié par Lord Luc1fer, 06 juin 2012 - 05:55 .

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Has everyone just seen the new operation 'Mastiff'? It's compeltion of 100K retrieval missions. Not only are retrieval missions new, didn't somebody recently mention how a retrieval objective could be a tie in to locating a wounded shepard? It was a while back, not sure who it was. Just thought this fits with Arians business model..

It very well could. Specifics aside, I hope Arian is right that MP is going to wind up tying in closely with the storyline, because I love MP and would love to see them more intertwined. 

Like - take back planet missions...

[EpyonX3]

dreamgazer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Both of his arms are a bloody mess. The reason it's seen better in that scene is because Bioware raised the level of detail. It gets raised slowly as the scene progresses. I posted pictures before. Let me know if you'd like to see them.

Blood starts spilling from the wound. The camera focuses very clearly on it for emphasis once Shepard slumps onto the circular thing at the center, and you see it coat Shepard's arm afterwards once s/he starts stumbling towards the console. Whether it's for emotional impact or surreal suggestion is another argument altogether, but there'a s significant shift in the integrity of the wound after the gunfire sequence.

The arm-holding shouldn't be given too much credence, as it's a stock "I'm hurt" motion across all three games. The pronounced increase in trauma of the wound after the Anderson shot, however, is very noticeable ... to a point where it's pretty obvious that it's intended.

There's no wound there that we can see. there isn't even a hole in his armor for blood to be spilling out.




His arms are covered in blood before he holds his wound for the last time.



There isn't a clear wound here either and his armor isn't shining with blood like his arms are. The blood is coming from his arms.

[dreamgazer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

*snip for size*

Dude, s/he looks down at the wound.

http://youtu.be/x_rLN5z8q38?t=1m30s

Modifié par dreamgazer, 06 juin 2012 - 05:59 .

[Turbo_J]

Anyone wonder why people don't remember this line?

"You stole the Normandy, got blown up by the collectors AND sent us to a suicide mission to the galactic core and I haven't mutinied once. Not once!"

Why would Joker 180 at the end. ME2 FemShep voice: "It Doesn't Make Sense!"

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...


There's no wound there that we can see. there isn't even a hole in his armor for blood to be spilling out.



His arms are covered in blood before he holds his wound for the last time.


There isn't a clear wound here either and his armor isn't shining with blood like his arms are. The blood is coming from his arms.

To be clear, what point are you trying to make, exactly? Because you seem to be pointing out oddities that in my eyes, just contribute to the concept that the scene is not real. Could you address the fact that Anderson has no wound or blood whatsoever? Why does he die and Shepard doesnt? Why isnt there any blood from TIM's suicide? 

[EpyonX3]

dreamgazer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

*snip for size*

Dude, s/he looks down at the wound.

http://youtu.be/x_rLN5z8q38?t=1m30s

He looks down at his gut yes, he's been doing that since you got up from the beam.

[llbountyhunter]

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Here is an example of NO speculation. This is bad as well. we need moderation

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say you've never studied or taken a real class on literature. Moderation? Really? This isnt a sport or a contest. 

Your kidding, right?

Ok im done here.

No, I'm not kidding. Go ask anyone with a background in literature if the word moderation belongs in any discussion about it. 

Ok, i know i said i was done, but let me take one last stab at it.

Is it possible that you are confusing "speculation' with "creation"?

Because when your writing or making something, by all means, go as far and wide as you want. Its your creation after all.

BUT when your speculating, your connecting the dots on something that someone else made. Your supposed to figure out what everything is hinting at.... not make ramdon conclusions with no basis whatsoever. Here moderation is key.

Yes, even in liturature.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 06 juin 2012 - 06:01 .

[saintstc]

Hey guys,

I'm a supporter of the IT theory, but I don't really understand how the the Normandy crashing into the jungle planet at the end fits in. Is this part of the hallucination? If so what do you think it means?

Thanks

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

*snip for size*

Dude, s/he looks down at the wound.

http://youtu.be/x_rLN5z8q38?t=1m30s

Yes, you can quite clearly see the bullet hole in that shot. I thought that was common knowledge?

[Turbo_J]

saintstc wrote...

Hey guys,

I'm a supporter of the IT theory, but I don't really understand how the the Normandy crashing into the jungle planet at the end fits in. Is this part of the hallucination? If so what do you think it means?

Thanks

lol - I am psychic... look up a few posts.