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Unschuld wrote...

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It came with the Collectors edition.

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Besides what's obvious in the imagery of Shepard's arm pulling someone out of the rubble, maybe it's symbolic of Shepard pulling himself  out of the rubble... Just a thought, a possible interpretation.

Edit: dammit, Balance! You basically just said what I was typing... ninja bastard... :ph34r:


LOL! just about to say that I agree with your interp.... glad I'm not the only one thinking like this...

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balance5050 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'll continue if this is relevant to the topic. So far it's not since it's just a pic for multiplayer.


Ding ding! That's 4 things we agree on....


It's from the artbook and it's depicting a situation we haven't seen (yet) so it is somewhat relevant, just llike all the other strange things in the art book.


Interesting. Where can I find this art book?


It came with the Collectors edition.

Posted Image 



Ha!  I was just looking at this and posted a comment about this pic!  Perfect!


My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Yes some Geth don't get legion's code and are loaded with reaper code.


I really dont recall hearing that, and have no idea where to look for it. Can anyone help out with that?

He's wrong.
When siding with the Geth:
Geth Prime: "Commander, your actions enabled this upgrade. Because of you, we are a people. And we are free."
Shepard: "And... Legion?"
Geth Prime: "Dead. I am sorry, Commander. It sacrificed itself to deliver the code upgrade to all geth units, and we will uphold its promise. We are already repairing ships, and our technology can help build the Crucible."

When making peace:
Shepard: "Legion?"
Geth Prime: "No. I'm sorry, Commander. Legion sacrificed itself to give us all intelligence. It will be honored. And we will honor Legion's promise. The geth fleet will help you retake Earth, and our engineers will assist in building the Crucible."


Yeah, thats what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up. 


It's not at the very end on Rannoch where it's mentioned. It's mentioned on the Normandy after the misson. Now I gotta look for it.


Actually (lol feel like such a nerd saying that) the Asari councilor says it after the Rannoch mission. She commends you for brokering peace between the quarians and geth ( with enough paragon, of course) and mentions there are still pockets of geth (I'm assuming those isolated who did not receive Legion's signal) who still have reaper code. Not sure if she still says this if you didn't attain peace, though.

(lol I never expected to be backing up Epyon, but he's actually right)

Modifié par Starbuck8, 06 juin 2012 - 09:32 .


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@ DJBare/Balance50/50:

The symbolism is hard to avoid in that picture...it is clearly someone helping the other up. And as we have only ever seen Shep in the N7 armor the assumption could be that Shepard is the one offering assistance...but that's not what I thought. When I first looked at it (and I don't really have a good reason as to why) I immediately thought, "Who's helping Shep up after he wakes up?"

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'll continue if this is relevant to the topic. So far it's not since it's just a pic for multiplayer.


Ding ding! That's 4 things we agree on....


It's from the artbook and it's depicting a situation we haven't seen (yet) so it is somewhat relevant, just llike all the other strange things in the art book.


Interesting. Where can I find this art book?


It came with the Collectors edition.

Posted Image 



Ha!  I was just looking at this and posted a comment about this pic!  Perfect!


My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


When do you suppose tali grew those extra fingers?

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 06 juin 2012 - 09:33 .


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Riot86 wrote...

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That's an interesting piece of art in itself, a helping hand, I note the view is on it's side judging by the buildings, so someone is helping another to get up from the looks of things, so if that's Shepard being helped up, who's wearing that armor?

Just posing a question to a possible scenario, don't panic.

Didn't someone had the idea, that Bioware might be planning a MP-Event to "Rescue Shepard" as a possible tie in with the EC?

Keeping this idea in mind, the person in armor could be of one of the Multiplayer N7 Operatives ;)


IDK. I think it falls more in line that Shepard is the savior of humanity.

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


Uhm... ok? I don't know where Tali came from but this looks like Shepard armor to me... Tali has 3 fingers....

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llbountyhunter wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'll continue if this is relevant to the topic. So far it's not since it's just a pic for multiplayer.


Ding ding! That's 4 things we agree on....


It's from the artbook and it's depicting a situation we haven't seen (yet) so it is somewhat relevant, just llike all the other strange things in the art book.


Interesting. Where can I find this art book?


It came with the Collectors edition.

Posted Image 



Ha!  I was just looking at this and posted a comment about this pic!  Perfect!


My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


When did tali grow those extra fingers?

LOL. You're right. I meant the pattern on the glove rather than the bone structure.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 09:34 .


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Starbuck8 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Yes some Geth don't get legion's code and are loaded with reaper code.


I really dont recall hearing that, and have no idea where to look for it. Can anyone help out with that?

He's wrong.
When siding with the Geth:
Geth Prime: "Commander, your actions enabled this upgrade. Because of you, we are a people. And we are free."
Shepard: "And... Legion?"
Geth Prime: "Dead. I am sorry, Commander. It sacrificed itself to deliver the code upgrade to all geth units, and we will uphold its promise. We are already repairing ships, and our technology can help build the Crucible."

When making peace:
Shepard: "Legion?"
Geth Prime: "No. I'm sorry, Commander. Legion sacrificed itself to give us all intelligence. It will be honored. And we will honor Legion's promise. The geth fleet will help you retake Earth, and our engineers will assist in building the Crucible."


Yeah, thats what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up. 


It's not at the very end on Rannoch where it's mentioned. It's mentioned on the Normandy after the misson. Now I gotta look for it.


Actually (lol feel like such a nerd saying that) the Asari councilor says it after the Rannoch mission. She commends you for brokering peace between the quarians and geth ( with enough paragon, of course) and mentions there are still pockets of geth (I'm assuming those isolated who did not receive Legion's signal) who still have reaper code. Not sure if she still says this if you didn't attain peace, though.

(lol I never expected to be backing up Epyon, but he's actually right)


THANK YOU! I knew it was a woman and it was on the normandy. Just couldn't remember who it was.


EDIT: In bold: I'll take what I can get lol.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 06 juin 2012 - 09:36 .


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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


Uhm... ok? I don't know where Tali came from but this looks like Shepard armor to me... Tali has 3 fingers....

It's definately not Shepard. This is an arm of a Synthetic.

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


Uhm... ok? I don't know where Tali came from but this looks like Shepard armor to me... Tali has 3 fingers....


He probably misses his LI. :wub:

Its ok paxxton, so do I

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@ DJBare/Balance50/50:

The symbolism is hard to avoid in that picture...it is clearly someone helping the other up. And as we have only ever seen Shep in the N7 armor the assumption could be that Shepard is the one offering assistance...but that's not what I thought. When I first looked at it (and I don't really have a good reason as to why) I immediately thought, "Who's helping Shep up after he wakes up?"


Bolded the last part for emphasis...like the idea that it could be a N7 Op from MP helping Shep up...how effing crazy would it be if it was meant to be Shep being helped?  It would be a huge clue towards proving that not only IT is real, but was planned from the beginning (keep in mind I am not saying that this is the case).

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


Uhm... ok? I don't know where Tali came from but this looks like Shepard armor to me... Tali has 3 fingers....

It's definately not Shepard. This is an arm of a Synthetic.


So tali is synthetic?

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balance5050 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'll continue if this is relevant to the topic. So far it's not since it's just a pic for multiplayer.


Ding ding! That's 4 things we agree on....


It's from the artbook and it's depicting a situation we haven't seen (yet) so it is somewhat relevant, just llike all the other strange things in the art book.


Interesting. Where can I find this art book?


It came with the Collectors edition.

Posted Image 



Ha!  I was just looking at this and posted a comment about this pic!  Perfect!


My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...


That was exactly my thought as well!

...Creepy :huh:

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paxxton wrote...
Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


What?!?!

No. There's absolutely no possibility of this statement being correct, sorry.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


Uhm... ok? I don't know where Tali came from but this looks like Shepard armor to me... Tali has 3 fingers....


He probably misses his LI. :wub:

Its ok paxxton, so do I

Tali? No. She could be my sister. I romanced Miranda.

EDIT: And flirted with Samara. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 09:45 .


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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


Uhm... ok? I don't know where Tali came from but this looks like Shepard armor to me... Tali has 3 fingers....

It's definately not Shepard. This is an arm of a Synthetic.


Load up your game and look at Shepard's hand in default armor Paxxton...... Don't worry I'll wait.

Modifié par balance5050, 06 juin 2012 - 09:39 .


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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


Uhm... ok? I don't know where Tali came from but this looks like Shepard armor to me... Tali has 3 fingers....

It's definately not Shepard. This is an arm of a Synthetic.


Which one?  The one in the N7 armor?  And how is it that you come to that conclusion?

Edit:  Unless you are referring to that fact that Shep was rebuilt with synthetic parts...no, wait...I am utterly confused.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 06 juin 2012 - 09:40 .


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balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

GreenFlag wrote...



Is this true?
That is awesome


What is true? That is the full image for the background for the Silver level in Multi Player just a drawing they using to look pretty.


That's the moon isn't it?


The moon doesn't have clouds silly....


It's simply artistic license for the sake of having a cool looking picture for the Silver difficulty. Same concept behind the reason why you can have Geth fighting Geth in multiplayer, even though there is no point in time within ME3 where that could take place. 


Geth do fight Geth becasue if Legion gave the Geth free will, there are still programs that side with the Reapers....


Not sure if this was answered, but that is inaccurate. There are still pockets of Geth, but they are just Geth bodies loaded with Reaper code... not upgrades enslaved or upgrades with free will, just pure Reaper code. Hijacked hardware.

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Ravereth wrote...


That was exactly my thought as well!

...Creepy :huh:


The only thing that kills that idea is that the armor covers up whether the person wearing it is mail or female. The arm is definetly a male. That would kick the FemShep fans in the rear if it was IT related.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@ DJBare/Balance50/50:

The symbolism is hard to avoid in that picture...it is clearly someone helping the other up. And as we have only ever seen Shep in the N7 armor the assumption could be that Shepard is the one offering assistance...but that's not what I thought. When I first looked at it (and I don't really have a good reason as to why) I immediately thought, "Who's helping Shep up after he wakes up?"


Bolded the last part for emphasis...like the idea that it could be a N7 Op from MP helping Shep up...how effing crazy would it be if it was meant to be Shep being helped?  It would be a huge clue towards proving that not only IT is real, but was planned from the beginning (keep in mind I am not saying that this is the case).

Another interesting thing about the picture from the artbook is that there seems to be concrete and rebar on the ground...just like in the breath scene ;)

Modifié par Riot86, 06 juin 2012 - 09:40 .


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D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

My only speculation on this pic is that in our last dream, we saw an alternate version of ourself, the Shepard that  sides with Starbinger and burns, this pic could be hinting at ANOTHER Shepard, the true Shepard or Shepard's "super-ego" if you will, pulling up the real Shepard from the ground after the hallucination...

That's too far into the speculative side I guess...

Dunno, but the glove resembles Tali's. The forearm is too thick though to be hers.


Uhm... ok? I don't know where Tali came from but this looks like Shepard armor to me... Tali has 3 fingers....

It's definately not Shepard. This is an arm of a Synthetic.


Which one?  The one in the N7 armor?  And how is it that you come to that conclusion?

There's a hidden message in that picture. Organics create Synthetics. A reference to the Creation of Adam by Michelangelo.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 09:41 .


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Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It came with the Collectors edition.

Posted Image 


Besides what's obvious in the imagery of Shepard's arm pulling someone out of the rubble, maybe it's symbolic of Shepard pulling himself  out of the rubble... Just a thought, a possible interpretation.

Edit: dammit, Balance! You basically just said what I was typing... ninja bastard... :ph34r:


I was just thinking that, but Posted Image'd by both of you

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paxxton wrote...
It's definately not Shepard. This is an arm of a Synthetic.

Huh?, what makes you think it's a synthetic?

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Turbo_J wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

GreenFlag wrote...



Is this true?
That is awesome


What is true? That is the full image for the background for the Silver level in Multi Player just a drawing they using to look pretty.


That's the moon isn't it?


The moon doesn't have clouds silly....


It's simply artistic license for the sake of having a cool looking picture for the Silver difficulty. Same concept behind the reason why you can have Geth fighting Geth in multiplayer, even though there is no point in time within ME3 where that could take place. 


Geth do fight Geth becasue if Legion gave the Geth free will, there are still programs that side with the Reapers....


Not sure if this was answered, but that is inaccurate. There are still pockets of Geth, but they are just Geth bodies loaded with Reaper code... not upgrades enslaved or upgrades with free will, just pure Reaper code. Hijacked hardware.


Reaper code is what made Legion and EDI who they are.... individuals with free will... After Legion loaded the reaper code by sacrificing himself, he gave the Geth what he had, free will, is this accurate?