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Definitely a dent.


Oh my God... I feel helpless... I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HOLES :?


Gotcha, gotcha.  Honestly, I think the element in the orange highlighted area looks like one of the other many, many scrapes on Shepard's armor.  The part you have outlined is the right area, but the line seen looks like all the other surface-level scuffs.

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balance5050 wrote...

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He's holding below the dent in the last pic, people apply pressure to where the wound is, not below where the wound is...


BUT the wound is below that hole... 

Ok I have ANOTHER pic for you, last one, I promise...
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In the blue square you can see a wound, now try to see the same kind of wound in the orange area... 


I just see armor and a dent, no different from the rest of his armor.


:crying: But... there is blood... 

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Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


He's holding below the dent in the last pic, people apply pressure to where the wound is, not below where the wound is...


BUT the wound is below that hole... 

Ok I have ANOTHER pic for you, last one, I promise...
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In the blue square you can see a wound, now try to see the same kind of wound in the orange area... 


I just see armor and a dent, no different from the rest of his armor.


:crying: But... there is blood... 


I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

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MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

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Something I noticed, probably just a over sight but during the end,when the doors open and the blinding light shines through, you can see the console in the distance, but not Anderson, then it dips into the Shadow broker ship area and when you come up the other side Anderson is standing there. But if you walk back to the other side of the chasm Anderson dissapears again. Probably just an event trigger thing but still kinda strange.


Noticed that Anderson just appears there after you crossed that chasm. But the same thing when you walk backwards...maybe an gfx engine thing. After all, you rarely have scenes in ME where you can see so far out. So the engine tends to load NPCs from a certain distance on.

But even with that, Bioware decided to make the console visible from afar and even emphasized it with that lightbeam effect that only appears here.

The console is a fairly simple object to feed to the Level-of-Detail algorithm and fast-render. Anderson is a much more complex object and thus omitted to save time.


Yeah, but they could've just raised or lowered the level of the console area. But no, it's on the exact same level.

I don't think I understand what you mean.


Oh, sorry then. Balance5050 wrote that when you walk back you see how Anderson disappears again from the console.
That happening when you walk towards the control room is ok, because Anderson describes how the place is supposedly shifting, hence allowing him to get there from a different hallway, thus explaining how he could be able to get there after you cross the chasm.
The other way around, however, doesn't make too much sense within the 'shifting' explaination, but rather in a game engine way.

Now, my point is, that must be the game engine that causes that, but usually the level designers would have to hide that cosmetically by putting something there to limit your view, like an object, or, if you want Shep to walk straight towards it, put the Collectors base part on one hight level, the control room on another one, so that we don't see that the engine didn't load Anderson yet.

But the devs didn't do that, thus making me believe that that was left like this intentionally.

Thanks for the clarification. Though it's a strange thing to leave something that looks like a glitch intentionally.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juin 2012 - 11:24 .


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paxxton wrote...

Thanks for the clarification. Though it's a strange thing to leave something that looks like a glitch intentionally.


Should be the motto for this thread.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 06 juin 2012 - 11:23 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Definitely a dent.


Oh my God... I feel helpless... I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HOLES :?


Gotcha, gotcha.  Honestly, I think the element in the orange highlighted area looks like one of the other many, many scrapes on Shepard's armor.  The part you have outlined is the right area, but the line seen looks like all the other surface-level scuffs.


Actually, I need to amend this.  I think the line that's there looks a lot like a roughed-up edge of one of the plates in Shep's abdomen armor. 

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MaximizedAction wrote...

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Thanks for the clarification. Though it's a strange thing to leave something that looks like a glitch intentionally.


Should be the motto for this thread.

You said it!

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I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

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Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood... 

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Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

Posted Image
Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood... 




Ok... it still doesn't look any different than the rest of his armor, there are small bloodstains there but theyre also on his chest and other places.

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balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

Posted Image
Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood...


Ok... it still doesn't look any different than the rest of his armor, there are small bloodstains there but theyre also on his chest and other places.

Also it's one texture that never changes, what are you guys trying to prove here?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

Posted Image
Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood...


Ok... it still doesn't look any different than the rest of his armor, there are small bloodstains there but theyre also on his chest and other places.

Also it's one texture that never changes, what are you guys trying to prove here?


I guess he's trying to say that Shepard had the wound that he bleeds out from the entire time. Which is possible for sure, but it doesn't start gushing until after Andy dies.

Also Andy doesn't even have a vague wound texture where there should be....

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Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

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Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood... 




I see the reddish splotches, barely. But this honestly looks like much of the rest of his armor. Plus that red splotch on his chest (blue square) doesn't look like much of a wound to me either but it's more noticeable. Actually, haven't done a comparison but it could even be N7 paint or something. And if this was a wound here on the abdomen, doesn't seem like something that would suddenly be gushing blood 10 minutes later, idk. Good eye though, not something anyone has really notice before.

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Was operation shield wall a success?

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balance5050 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

Posted Image
Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood...


Ok... it still doesn't look any different than the rest of his armor, there are small bloodstains there but theyre also on his chest and other places.

Also it's one texture that never changes, what are you guys trying to prove here?


I guess he's trying to say that Shepard had the wound that he bleeds out from the entire time. Which is possible for sure, but it doesn't start gushing until after Andy dies.

Also Andy doesn't even have a vague wound texture where there should be....


*cough*she*cough*

balance5050 wrote...

Was operation shield wall a success?

 

Yes

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balance5050 wrote...

Was operation shield wall a success?


Yeah, where's the report on that. Last guy who asked @masseffect, got the answer, it was still being being evaliated. That was 1 week ago.

But the new operation has an interesting background pic: it's has that asari symbol.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 06 juin 2012 - 11:57 .


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Ravereth wrote...

*cough*she*cough*


Ah yes, I should have known from her figure I guess...

This next operation seems pretty easy as well...


http://blog.bioware....ration-mastiff/

Modifié par balance5050, 06 juin 2012 - 11:57 .


#13217
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balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

*cough*she*cough*


Ah yes, I should have known from her figure I guess...

This next operation seems pretty easy as well...


http://blog.bioware....ration-mastiff/


 Wait, wait, wait... I'm a girl, but my Shep is male :P (Is that strange? :D)

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Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

*cough*she*cough*


Ah yes, I should have known from her figure I guess...

This next operation seems pretty easy as well...


http://blog.bioware....ration-mastiff/


 Wait, wait, wait... I'm a girl, but my Shep is male :P (Is that strange? :D)


Nah, I'm a guy but my Shep is (usually) Femshep.  What can I say, I like girls who kick ass!:D

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Also Andy doesn't even have a vague wound texture where there should be....


Anderson's armor isn't even damaged... neither is his cap... :D

Modifié par Ravereth, 07 juin 2012 - 12:05 .


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Also Andy doesn't even have a vague wound texture where there should be....


Anderson's armor isn't even damaged... neither is his cap... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] 


So, Anderson on the citadel looks just like Shepard has been used to seeing him since after leaving him on earth and TIM looks just like Shepard's been seeing him throughout the game (via holo). Even though it seems quite implausible Anderson made it there without a scratch and gets shot in the stomach, and TIM as we have seen in cut scenes looks much more old/haggard.

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Big Bad wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

*cough*she*cough*


Ah yes, I should have known from her figure I guess...

This next operation seems pretty easy as well...


http://blog.bioware....ration-mastiff/


 Wait, wait, wait... I'm a girl, but my Shep is male :P (Is that strange? :D)


Nah, I'm a guy but my Shep is (usually) Femshep.  What can I say, I like girls who kick ass!:D



I'm also a guy who plays as femshep! Modeled my first Shep after my girlfriend!

I don't know why, but femshep seems more...right for Mass Effect, you know? I'm not really sure why, but it feels more right for me to play as femshep than as Sheploo for some reason...:P

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

Posted Image
Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood...


Ok... it still doesn't look any different than the rest of his armor, there are small bloodstains there but theyre also on his chest and other places.

Also it's one texture that never changes, what are you guys trying to prove here?


This! They're no going to create two models where the only difference is almost unnoticable blood stains. Please give it up.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

Posted Image
Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood...


Ok... it still doesn't look any different than the rest of his armor, there are small bloodstains there but theyre also on his chest and other places.

Also it's one texture that never changes, what are you guys trying to prove here?


This! They're no going to create two models where the only difference is almost unnoticable blood stains. Please give it up.


I'm just trying to prove that there IS a wound, that's all.

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estebanus wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

*cough*she*cough*


Ah yes, I should have known from her figure I guess...

This next operation seems pretty easy as well...


http://blog.bioware....ration-mastiff/


 Wait, wait, wait... I'm a girl, but my Shep is male :P (Is that strange? :D)


Nah, I'm a guy but my Shep is (usually) Femshep.  What can I say, I like girls who kick ass!:D



I'm also a guy who plays as femshep! Modeled my first Shep after my girlfriend!

I don't know why, but femshep seems more...right for Mass Effect, you know? I'm not really sure why, but it feels more right for me to play as femshep than as Sheploo for some reason...:P


I have only one Shepard - Pragade Sheploo (90% paragon, 10% renegade) and I'm never gona play as femshep, customized maleshep or full renegade one... :devil: 

I just love Sheploo too much, I guess :D

 

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Ravereth wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

Posted Image
Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood...


Ok... it still doesn't look any different than the rest of his armor, there are small bloodstains there but theyre also on his chest and other places.

Also it's one texture that never changes, what are you guys trying to prove here?


This! They're no going to create two models where the only difference is almost unnoticable blood stains. Please give it up.


I'm just trying to prove that there IS a wound, that's all.


Actually, no, there isn’t a wound. Trust me, I’ve been working with this model in the UDK on and off for the past two days. The only thing that changes with this armour at all is that after the confrontation with TIM, a specular map is added to Shepards armour and arms, which gives them a more bloody appearance.