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FFZero wrote...

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I just see scratched armor mate... Yeah there's that tiny red stain on his chest, but I don't see that near his abdomen. Maybe if I could actually see the skin I would think that there was a wound there. But I only see blood come from his abdomen below the dent in a single scene, where he bleeds out after Andy passes...

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Green = blood, blood, blood, blood, blood and... blood...


Ok... it still doesn't look any different than the rest of his armor, there are small bloodstains there but theyre also on his chest and other places.

Also it's one texture that never changes, what are you guys trying to prove here?


This! They're no going to create two models where the only difference is almost unnoticable blood stains. Please give it up.


I'm just trying to prove that there IS a wound, that's all.


Actually, no, there isn’t a wound. Trust me, I’ve been working with this model in the UDK on and off for the past two days. The only thing that changes with this armour at all is that after the confrontation with TIM, a specular map is added to Shepards armour and arms, which gives them a more bloody appearance.


But my point is, that the wound is there from the begining. 

CLICK

Modifié par Ravereth, 07 juin 2012 - 12:50 .


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So, what's new?

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Dwailing wrote...

So, what's new?


I haven't looked in the forum since page 320. Anything new since then?

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Ravereth wrote...

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Actually, no, there isn’t a wound. Trust me, I’ve been working with this model in the UDK on and off for the past two days. The only thing that changes with this armour at all is that after the confrontation with TIM, a specular map is added to Shepards armour and arms, which gives them a more bloody appearance.


But my point is, that the wound is there from the begining. 

CLICK


And like I said, there is no wound. It’s a dent in the armour. Look at the other wounds on Shepards body, especially the one on his shoulder and the ones on his legs, you can clearly see flesh and blood. You can’t see either around the area you’re pointing out, just bloodstains like you can see on the rest of his armour. If there was a wound there already, it would be a lot more obvious.

Modifié par FFZero, 07 juin 2012 - 01:18 .


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alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 07 juin 2012 - 01:14 .


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FFZero wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

FFZero wrote...


Actually, no, there isn’t a wound. Trust me, I’ve been working with this model in the UDK on and off for the past two days. The only thing that changes with this armour at all is that after the confrontation with TIM, a specular map is added to Shepards armour and arms, which gives them a more bloody appearance.


But my point is, that the wound is there from the begining. 

CLICK


And like I said there is no wound. It’s a dent in the armour. Look at the other wounds on Shepards body, especially the one on his shoulder and the ones on his legs, you can clearly see flesh and blood. You can’t see either around the area you’re pointing out, just bloodstains like you can see on the rest of his armour. If there was a wound there already, it would be a lot more obvious.


Ok, for me where there is blood there is a wound. So I crossed Shepard's invisible wound out from my IT proofs list

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llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

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llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


Why does this remind me of Control?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

If you are joking, then please excuse the following...
Are you retarded? The Earth is clearly seen in the background, and you can see the arms coming off the Presidium.
Again, sorry if you're joking.

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Ravereth wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

FFZero wrote...


Actually, no, there isn’t a wound. Trust me, I’ve been working with this model in the UDK on and off for the past two days. The only thing that changes with this armour at all is that after the confrontation with TIM, a specular map is added to Shepards armour and arms, which gives them a more bloody appearance.


But my point is, that the wound is there from the begining. 

CLICK


And like I said there is no wound. It’s a dent in the armour. Look at the other wounds on Shepards body, especially the one on his shoulder and the ones on his legs, you can clearly see flesh and blood. You can’t see either around the area you’re pointing out, just bloodstains like you can see on the rest of his armour. If there was a wound there already, it would be a lot more obvious.


Ok, for me where there is blood there is a wound. So I crossed Shepard's invisible wound out from my IT proofs list


Simply, this is another thing that could go either way, yeah theres blood, but it could just be on the surface, it could have splatter from his bloody arms to his chest and abdoment. Also yeah there could be a crack in his armor, but we can't see his skin.... so there's just no way to be sure.

Either way he suddenly starts gushing once Anderson's voice is silenced.

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Ravereth wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

FFZero wrote...


Actually, no, there isn’t a wound. Trust me, I’ve been working with this model in the UDK on and off for the past two days. The only thing that changes with this armour at all is that after the confrontation with TIM, a specular map is added to Shepards armour and arms, which gives them a more bloody appearance.


But my point is, that the wound is there from the begining. 

CLICK


And like I said there is no wound. It’s a dent in the armour. Look at the other wounds on Shepards body, especially the one on his shoulder and the ones on his legs, you can clearly see flesh and blood. You can’t see either around the area you’re pointing out, just bloodstains like you can see on the rest of his armour. If there was a wound there already, it would be a lot more obvious.


Ok, for me where there is blood there is a wound. So I crossed Shepard's invisible wound out from my IT proofs list


The most significant thing about the wound, for me, is that as soon as Anderson dies, Shep suddenly has blood gushing from his abdomen, in the same spot he shot Anderson. Watching the scene carefully, it feels as if the wound was transferred to Shepard when Anderson dies. Anyway, of course, its still speculation, as is most of the stuff we come up with. We could totally be wrong about the wound, but I still feel it was choreographed this way intentionally and has significant symbolism for IT.

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RussianZombeh wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

If you are joking, then please excuse the following...
Are you retarded? The Earth is clearly seen in the background, and you can see the arms coming off the Presidium.
Again, sorry if you're joking.


That's what he's talking about. He knows this is the Citadel.

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RussianZombeh wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

If you are joking, then please excuse the following...
Are you retarded? The Earth is clearly seen in the background, and you can see the arms coming off the Presidium.
Again, sorry if you're joking.


Are you asking if I was being sarcastic? Cuz I wasn't lol. It's obviously earth! Honestly in the low res pic it almost looked like the moon, but I thought i could see the shapes of contentents and cloud patterns. The high res photo proves it.

Edit: Oh, or did you think I thought the presidium citadel was earth or something? lol

Modifié par Starbuck8, 07 juin 2012 - 01:45 .


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After watching G4 TV's coverage of E3 Day 3...not much to report...Watchdogs looks freaking amazing.

On Topic: If what FF Zero is saying about the in game model files...and the "bloodied" apperance does not appear until after the TIM confrontation, I would think that puts the "wound" squarely in the confimred evidence for IT column.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

If you are joking, then please excuse the following...
Are you retarded? The Earth is clearly seen in the background, and you can see the arms coming off the Presidium.
Again, sorry if you're joking.


Are you asking if I was being sarcastic? Cuz I wasn't lol. It's obviously earth! Honestly in the low res pic it almost looked like the moon, but I thought i could see the shapes of contentents and cloud patterns. The high res photo proves it.

Edit: Oh, or did you think I thought the presidium was earth or something? lol


It isn't presidium it's the moon B)... Nah I don't believe that either, but are you sure that it isn't the moon? 

Edit: Ok guys, it's 4am in my country, so I really have to go ;) goodnight everyone ^_^

Modifié par Ravereth, 07 juin 2012 - 01:50 .


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Ravereth wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

If you are joking, then please excuse the following...
Are you retarded? The Earth is clearly seen in the background, and you can see the arms coming off the Presidium.
Again, sorry if you're joking.


Are you asking if I was being sarcastic? Cuz I wasn't lol. It's obviously earth! Honestly in the low res pic it almost looked like the moon, but I thought i could see the shapes of contentents and cloud patterns. The high res photo proves it.

Edit: Oh, or did you think I thought the presidium was earth or something? lol


It isn't presidium it's the moon B)... Nah I don't believe that either, but are you sure that it isn't the moon? 


Lol i mean citedel not presidium :P

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Destructorlio wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, what's new?


I haven't looked in the forum since page 320. Anything new since then?


I found this:

Posted Image

Should speak for itself ;)

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Ravereth wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

If you are joking, then please excuse the following...
Are you retarded? The Earth is clearly seen in the background, and you can see the arms coming off the Presidium.
Again, sorry if you're joking.


Are you asking if I was being sarcastic? Cuz I wasn't lol. It's obviously earth! Honestly in the low res pic it almost looked like the moon, but I thought i could see the shapes of contentents and cloud patterns. The high res photo proves it.

Edit: Oh, or did you think I thought the presidium was earth or something? lol


It isn't presidium it's the moon B)... Nah I don't believe that either, but are you sure that it isn't the moon? 


Yep it's the Earth, click the link and then zoom in, you see bodies of water..... Oceans. It's centered on northern Africa.

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Ravereth wrote...

 Am I seeing things or my Sheploo has a wound in the circled area... 

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:crying::crying::crying:

FULL SIZE


There are a couple of the same round cricles just above on the chest level. But if it's a bullet hole, then it explains why Shepard is hurting and holding his gut the whole time. This would also go against the wound showing up after Shepard shoots Anderson.

I still think the blood comes from his arms as you can tell in the picture. Bioware emphasizes more on the blood on his hand, since it's centered, than his stomach.

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Five oH Thre3 wrote...

 http://youtu.be/caAqFFhBn2U?t=1m57s

Hmmm... seems to be no coincidence here that the mako comes in at the perfect time and get flipped by Harby's beam just seconds before Shepard gets knocked out. And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a flipped mako in the breath scene?


It hasn't been definitively proven to be a Mako in the breath scene, and I've tried matching up the lines (sans wheels) and didn't come up with anything that was spot-on.
But that vehicle in the video link....

It.

Is.

Not.

A.

Mako.

That's an M-080 variant. Tried matching that one up too, nothing definitive.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Am I seeing things or my Sheploo has a wound in the circled area... 

*snip*
:crying::crying::crying:

FULL SIZE


There are a couple of the same round cricles just above on the chest level. But if it's a bullet hole, then it explains why Shepard is hurting and holding his gut the whole time. This would also go against the wound showing up after Shepard shoots Anderson.

I still think the blood comes from his arms as you can tell in the picture. Bioware emphasizes more on the blood on his hand, since it's centered, than his stomach.


No, we've moved on.... it gushes after Anderson dies so..... still good.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


You know what I like about this picture? We can see the other arms and they are COMPLETELY DARK. Theyre not all bright orange and buzzing with activity. The citadel is in lockdown mode....

All speculation on this is pointless becasue it's just concept art but still......

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balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

If you are joking, then please excuse the following...
Are you retarded? The Earth is clearly seen in the background, and you can see the arms coming off the Presidium.
Again, sorry if you're joking.


Are you asking if I was being sarcastic? Cuz I wasn't lol. It's obviously earth! Honestly in the low res pic it almost looked like the moon, but I thought i could see the shapes of contentents and cloud patterns. The high res photo proves it.

Edit: Oh, or did you think I thought the presidium was earth or something? lol


It isn't presidium it's the moon B)... Nah I don't believe that either, but are you sure that it isn't the moon? 


Yep it's the Earth, click the link and then zoom in, you see bodies of water..... Oceans. It's centered on northern Africa.


So it is the moon? Alright that's two things I was right about today! :lol:

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


That is so the earth ^_^

If you are joking, then please excuse the following...
Are you retarded? The Earth is clearly seen in the background, and you can see the arms coming off the Presidium.
Again, sorry if you're joking.


Are you asking if I was being sarcastic? Cuz I wasn't lol. It's obviously earth! Honestly in the low res pic it almost looked like the moon, but I thought i could see the shapes of contentents and cloud patterns. The high res photo proves it.

Edit: Oh, or did you think I thought the presidium was earth or something? lol


It isn't presidium it's the moon B)... Nah I don't believe that either, but are you sure that it isn't the moon? 


Yep it's the Earth, click the link and then zoom in, you see bodies of water..... Oceans. It's centered on northern Africa.


So it is the moon? Alright that's two things I was right about today! :lol:


No.... Just.... No. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, what's new?


I haven't looked in the forum since page 320. Anything new since then?


I found this:

Posted Image

Should speak for itself ;)


Hahahha it's Morrigan :o:D