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[balance5050]

Riot86 wrote...

Just finished Priority: Cerberus Headquarters and the Prothean VI had a very interesting thing to say once it was activated - www.youtube.com/watch

Prothean VI: "Online. Security breach detected."
TIM: "Enjoy your little chat. But don't overstay your welcome."
Prothean VI: "You are attempting to recover me from indoctrinated forces?"
Shepard: "Yes. I need to know what the Catalyst is."
*pause*
Prothean VI: "Security protocols have been overridden. I will comply"

The bold parts is what seemed strange to me.

We does the VI specificily state, that it will comply? Just one sentence after stating the security protocols were overridden? Why does it make a pause before answering? Did it needed time to process new data? For me, this actually sounds like the VI only complies because these security protocols were overridden.

The question is now, what reason could the VI have to not help Shepard if the security protocols were still running? It has spoken to Shepard on Thessia before and in my playthrough Javik himself told the VI to give me the information I needed. It also recognized the Prothean Cipher, so Shepard should be regarded as trustworthy.

The most likely reason the security protocols were overridden in the first place is of course, that TIM wanted to gain access to the VI. Hence he had to disable the security lock that prevents indoctrinated persons to interact with the VI.

So if we assume that these security protocols hinder indoctrinated from using the VI...and we also assume that the VI only helps Shepard because the VI's security is no longer working - then one might actually thing Shepard could be indoctrinated to some degree, enough at least for the VI to now be able to detect the Reaper influence. Which would explain the pause, since this would be new data to process for sure 

Of course, this is all speculation. But in the context of IT, I really found this two sentences suspicious. Sorry, if this was brought up before - if that is the case, just ignore everything above

Interesting, I'v always thought that the Prothean Cipher that Shepard has somehow over rides all Prothean security measures anyway, could be another explanation as to why it doesn't detect Shep's indoctrination. He's never had to try to hard to get information from those things..... 

Modifié par balance5050, 07 juin 2012 - 02:27 .

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

It's not weird, I know of at least one other girl who only plays as MShep.

I only have one Shep, the custom one in my avatar. I never got past Eden Prime with femShep, because I just can't stand the voice. J Hale did a great job with Bastila in KOTOR, but every line she says in the Mass Effect series sounds forced, like she's trying too hard to lower her voice to sound more "badassful". I watched a scene the other day where Vega comes into her quarters, and I just could help facepalming. Someone put it quite well in another thread, that listening to FemShep reminds me that I'm listening to a voice actress, while Meer's voice seems to be more natural and coming from the character (Shepard) itself. Sure, he doesn't hit every single line perfectly, but every character has a few of those. His flubs just annoy me a lot less.

While I dont condone off topic banter, I'm glad someone finally said it here. That runs through my head every time that topic comes up in this thread (which it does, far too frequently), and it's been killing me that I've been forcing myself not to say it. 

Hale as Femshep comes across as a character in a story. That isnt a bad thing in and of itself, but ME is a different animal. Shepard is supposed to be the player's avatar. Meer plays that role perfectly. It never feels like you're just watching a story play out when listening to Meer, IMO. Listening to femshep makes me feel like I'm watching a movie. 

Lol! The funny thing is I feel just that way watchng broshep. (To me his lines seemed forced and femshep's lines seem much more natural and in-character). Maybe it's just about who you're used to playing. Anyway back on topic!

Modifié par Starbuck8, 07 juin 2012 - 02:32 .

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...
The Truth Is Out There!

Please don't use that line... Usually I see conspiracy theories for the nutjob creations that they are, but this is the first and only one I've seen plausibility in. Proving it right or wrong will at least give me some measure of satisfaction, even though I'll be a little bit disappointed if it turns out to be false.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

That's not dry blood.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

[Starbuck8]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I feel like we're kinda going in circles with this stuff...

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

Same texture.... wet blood flows... like we see when he suddenly starts bleeding in the same spot he shot Anderson.

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

Odd that the splatters disappeared between shots. Maybe Shepard isn't gut shot and Marauder Shields managed to clip Shep's subclavian artery. Downward flow would explain why everything is drenched. Doesn't explain why it just stops though, unless Starbinger has some godlike ability to stop the bleeding and pull Shepard out of shock in the decision chamber.

Edit: nevermind about the artery being clipped. Forgot for a second that MS hits you in the opposite  shoulder.

Modifié par Unschuld, 07 juin 2012 - 02:44 .

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

Same texture.... wet blood flows... like we see when he suddenly starts bleeding in the same spot he shot Anderson.

That blood isn't flowing. It's just shinier




EDIT: Even Shepard's nose and face blood is more prevalent here.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 07 juin 2012 - 02:43 .

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...


I feel like we're kinda going in circles with this stuff...

To be honest, I'm just sitting here occasionally refreshing, hoping the topic has changed. 

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

Same texture.... wet blood flows... like we see when he suddenly starts bleeding in the same spot he shot Anderson.

That blood isn't flowing. It's just shinier

The blood flowed from his wound to his hand, his hand has shiny wet blood on it here and not in your previous pics.

[balance5050]

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

Odd that the splatters disappeared between shots. Maybe Shepard isn't gut shot and Marauder Shields managed to clip Shep's subclavian artery. Downward flow would explain why everything is drenched. Doesn't explain why it just stops though, unless Starbinger has some godlike ability to stop the bleeding and pull Shepard out of shock in the decision chamber.

Edit: nevermind about the artery being clipped. Forgot for a second that MS hits you in the opposite  shoulder.

Shields shot him in his right shoulder and the shiny wet flowing blood is on his left hand....

EDIT: Saw your edit so disregard.

Modifié par balance5050, 07 juin 2012 - 02:46 .

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

Odd that the splatters disappeared between shots. Maybe Shepard isn't gut shot and Marauder Shields managed to clip Shep's subclavian artery. Downward flow would explain why everything is drenched. Doesn't explain why it just stops though, unless Starbinger has some godlike ability to stop the bleeding and pull Shepard out of shock in the decision chamber.

Edit: nevermind about the artery being clipped. Forgot that MS hits you in the opposite shoulder.

It's definetly coming from his arms that took the most damage from the beam. Also, I believe that Shepard's implants play a major role in his survival.

Think about how your actions have an effect of your implants. With low EMS, your actions or inactions could very well hinder your ability to survive the destroy option. The better you do your job the better your implants help you survive the end.

[Unschuld]

balance5050 wrote...

The blood flowed from his wound to his hand, his hand has shiny wet blood on it here and not in your previous pics.

A wound which isn't bloody, unlike the arm, I might add. Never noticed that Shepard had a hole in his pants along the thigh, lol.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

Same texture.... wet blood flows... like we see when he suddenly starts bleeding in the same spot he shot Anderson.

That blood isn't flowing. It's just shinier

The blood flowed from his wound to his hand, his hand has shiny wet blood on it here and not in your previous pics.

but just after as he gets up you see his right hand covered in just as much blood along with the rest of his right arm.

[Riot86]

HellishFiend wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

We does the VI specificily state, that it will comply? Just one sentence after stating the security protocols were overridden? Why does it make a pause before answering? Did it needed time to process new data? For me, this actually sounds like the VI only complies because these security protocols were overridden.

 

I agree with this. 

Riot86 wrote... 
The question is now, what reason could the VI have to not help Shepard if the security protocols were still running? It has spoken to Shepard on Thessia before and in my playthrough Javik himself told the VI to give me the information I needed. It also recognized the Prothean Cipher, so Shepard should be regarded as trustworthy.

I dont agree with this. We learn that Vendetta is programmed to only reveal the identity of the Crucible if he is taken to a completed Crucible as proof that the current cycle has a chance of finishing it, in order to avoid the scenario where the Reapers find out what it is prematurely. Shepard's trustworthiness is irrelevant, in that regard. 

Yeah, you have a good point there.

The  VI only helping Shepard because the security protcols were overridden most likely just means that otherwise the information on the Catalyst couldn't be revealed. That is what the game tells us a few seconds later after all.

However, if you don't look at the statement at face value, it could also be seen as a (very) subtle hint at Shepards Indoctrination. Like the gyro at the ending of Inception - it could stop and fall over or it could go on forever, both interpretations of that shot are possible

But I admit, there is absolutly no proof for my idea. So this is of course in no way evidence towards IT. Just a thought from a tired man, who goes to bed now :happy:

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The blood flowed from his wound to his hand, his hand has shiny wet blood on it here and not in your previous pics.

A wound which isn't bloody, unlike the arm, I might add. Never noticed that Shepard had a hole in his pants along the thigh, lol.

he has one rip on each leg at different angles. They did this so that you can tell what angle the beam came in at. His upper boddy took the most as you can see shepard's normal shirt on his left arm but his right arms has armor up to his forearm.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Probably his burnt arms. The blood appears dry....

snip

snip

That's not dry blood.

Looks dry, it's dark like dry blood and isn't shiny like wet things are.

I should have noted that the top image is pre TIM and the bottom is as TIM walks in.

Same texture.... wet blood flows... like we see when he suddenly starts bleeding in the same spot he shot Anderson.

That blood isn't flowing. It's just shinier

The blood flowed from his wound to his hand, his hand has shiny wet blood on it here and not in your previous pics.

but just after as he gets up you see his right hand covered in just as much blood along with the rest of his right arm.

That may be but you really only see that when you fly cam, if we go back to what the gamer is meant to see then he is clearly holding a wound on his abdomen, looks down at the wound, and sees how much he's bleeding on his hand. He doesn't look at his shoulder or hold his arm, he's applying pressure to where he needs it most and that's his abdomen.

http://www.youtube.c...N3xtUu44#t=515s

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The part that people confuse for a part of the Mako is actually a part of the Crucible. I haven't gotten around to posting my findings but it's the round object that the prongs connect to via the blue beams. Hopefully you know what I mean.

Question... would it be possible at all for you to not word speculations as fact?  I try very hard to choose my words carefully when I'm dealing with things that are unconfirmed. Not asking for the same amount of effort from everyone, but it would be great if you could try. 

Especially when there is just as much a possibility that it is part of the Hades Cannon legs given the clock tower/Big Ben can be seen in the background of the 'Breath Scene'. Big Ben is miles away from both the London LZ and the 'beam'

I do suspect, however that you are correct there is no Mako in the scene Epyon.

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...

he has one rip on each leg at different angles. They did this so that you can tell what angle the beam came in at. His upper boddy took the most as you can see shepard's normal shirt on his left arm but his right arms has armor up to his forearm.

What the... You know, I was wondering if that was the casual alliance uniform under the armor, but that's the first time I've noticed the rolled cuff of his sleeve in this damaged version.

Who the hell  wears armor over a rolled up sleeve cuff? 

[EpyonX3]

http://www.youtube.c...a878v1ZQM#t=741

Shepard with shinny blood on his right hand and arm.

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

he has one rip on each leg at different angles. They did this so that you can tell what angle the beam came in at. His upper boddy took the most as you can see shepard's normal shirt on his left arm but his right arms has armor up to his forearm.

What the... You know, I was wondering if that was the casual alliance uniform under the armor, but that's the first time I've noticed the rolled cuff of his sleeve in this damaged version.

Who the hell  wears armor over a rolled up sleeve cuff? 

A Boss!

[Unschuld]

Turbo_J wrote...
Especially when there is just as much a possibility that it is part of the Hades Cannon legs given the clock tower/Big Ben can be seen in the background of the 'Breath Scene'. Big Ben is miles away from both the London LZ and the 'beam'

I do suspect, however that you are correct there is no Mako in the scene Epyon.

I'm not sold on the "Big Ben" theory yet. I just can't see it at all in the video.

[EpyonX3]

@balance5050 wow we linked the same section of the game and said two different things about it!

Ahhh the human brain...