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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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llbountyhunter wrote...

alright heres a large picture of the reapers on the citadel for those who want it.

https://www.dropbox....eaper-chaos.jpg

tell me if the link works... not sure if it will...


Sweet!  Thank you!

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EpyonX3 wrote...

A Boss!


No! It's dumb! Sleeves rolled down for combat, Marine! Especially under armor...
:P

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EpyonX3 wrote...

http://www.youtube.c...a878v1ZQM#t=741

Shepard with shinny blood on his right hand and arm.


Yes, all the blood becomes shiny all of a sudden, but that doesn't change the fact that the camera looks down at his left hand and abdomen right before he staggers to the console.

Modifié par balance5050, 07 juin 2012 - 03:03 .


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Riot86 wrote...

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We does the VI specificily state, that it will comply? Just one sentence after stating the security protocols were overridden? Why does it make a pause before answering? Did it needed time to process new data? For me, this actually sounds like the VI only complies because these security protocols were overridden.

 

I agree with this. 

Riot86 wrote... 
The question is now, what reason could the VI have to not help Shepard if the security protocols were still running? It has spoken to Shepard on Thessia before and in my playthrough Javik himself told the VI to give me the information I needed. It also recognized the Prothean Cipher, so Shepard should be regarded as trustworthy.


I dont agree with this. We learn that Vendetta is programmed to only reveal the identity of the Crucible if he is taken to a completed Crucible as proof that the current cycle has a chance of finishing it, in order to avoid the scenario where the Reapers find out what it is prematurely. Shepard's trustworthiness is irrelevant, in that regard. 

Yeah, you have a good point there.

The  VI only helping Shepard because the security protcols were overridden most likely just means that otherwise the information on the Catalyst couldn't be revealed. That is what the game tells us a few seconds later after all.

However, if you don't look at the statement at face value, it could also be seen as a (very) subtle hint at Shepards Indoctrination. Like the gyro at the ending of Inception - it could stop and fall over or it could go on forever, both interpretations of that shot are possible ^_^

But I admit, there is absolutly no proof for my idea. So this is of course in no way evidence towards IT. Just a thought from a tired man, who goes to bed now :happy:


But the overall fact that it had been hacked should tell you something: Not a single thing it says can be trusted.

As for the 'security protocols dissabled. I will comply'. It could serve as a two fold warning to the player. You shouldn't trust a VI that's hacked and It may have began to detect the 'taint' of indoctrination on Shep.

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Turbo_J wrote...

But the overall fact that it had been hacked should tell you something: Not a single thing it says can be trusted.

As for the 'security protocols dissabled. I will comply'. It could serve as a two fold warning to the player. You shouldn't trust a VI that's hacked and It may have began to detect the 'taint' of indoctrination on Shep.


Yep, I have mentioned that before, but it seems to be forgotten by the next time the topic comes up. 

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Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

A Boss!


No! It's dumb! Sleeves rolled down for combat, Marine! Especially under armor...
:P


Shepard's too Boss for that silly rule.

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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

http://www.youtube.c...a878v1ZQM#t=741

Shepard with shinny blood on his right hand and arm.


Yes, all the blood becomes shiny all of a sudden, but that doesn't change the fact that the camera looks down at his left hand and abdomen right before he staggers to the console.


Ok let's agree to disagree.

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HellishFiend wrote...

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So, what's new?


I haven't looked in the forum since page 320. Anything new since then?


I found this:

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Should speak for itself ;)


Woah! What is that? Is that from the control ending? More info, pls.

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Unschuld wrote...

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Especially when there is just as much a possibility that it is part of the Hades Cannon legs given the clock tower/Big Ben can be seen in the background of the 'Breath Scene'. Big Ben is miles away from both the London LZ and the 'beam'

I do suspect, however that you are correct there is no Mako in the scene Epyon.


I'm not sold on the "Big Ben" theory yet. I just can't see it at all in the video.


It is very hard to see. It is obscured by fog/smoke and only comes clear for one or two frames both times it can be seen. Once near the beginning of the scene and once about the middle... the next thing after that is the apartment building and Shep.

I only caught the second appearance in my own video until I found a still of it that look like the angle was different. When I went back to review, I found them both... the first one is only visible for about 2 or 3 frames... using a playback software that can go back and forward one frame at a time is almost mandatory to catch it.

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Destructorlio wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, what's new?


I haven't looked in the forum since page 320. Anything new since then?


I found this:

Posted Image

Should speak for itself ;)


Woah! What is that? Is that from the control ending? More info, pls.


The boy appears solid and not opaque....

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Destructorlio wrote...

Woah! What is that? Is that from the control ending? More info, pls.


I cant remember what page it was on, but it was within the last couple of days so it shouldnt be too far back. To sum it up, basically the Starbinger briefly becomes corporeal when the "shockwave" from the control terminal hits him. It bears strong parallels to how the shockwave from Destroy changes the handgun. 

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Destructorlio wrote...
Woah! What is that? Is that from the control ending? More info, pls.


The kid pulls a Pinocchio and turns from electric ghost to real boy as the electric "blast wave" hits him, a lot like how Shepards gun changes in the destroy ending.

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balance5050 wrote...

The boy appears solid and not opaque....


I think you mean translucent. Opaque basically means you cannot see through it. 

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I still don't know where anyone is seeing any part of Big Ben in the breath scene, did someone submit a circled pic and I missed it?

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 07 juin 2012 - 03:16 .


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Unschuld wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...
Woah! What is that? Is that from the control ending? More info, pls.


The kid pulls a Pinocchio and turns from electric ghost to real boy as the electric "blast wave" hits him, a lot like how Shepards gun changes in the destroy ending.


We need someone to do a slow-mo of this scene like they did with the gun scene.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...
Especially when there is just as much a possibility that it is part of the Hades Cannon legs given the clock tower/Big Ben can be seen in the background of the 'Breath Scene'. Big Ben is miles away from both the London LZ and the 'beam'

I do suspect, however that you are correct there is no Mako in the scene Epyon.


I'm not sold on the "Big Ben" theory yet. I just can't see it at all in the video.


It is very hard to see. It is obscured by fog/smoke and only comes clear for one or two frames both times it can be seen. Once near the beginning of the scene and once about the middle... the next thing after that is the apartment building and Shep.

I only caught the second appearance in my own video until I found a still of it that look like the angle was different. When I went back to review, I found them both... the first one is only visible for about 2 or 3 frames... using a playback software that can go back and forward one frame at a time is almost mandatory to catch it.


Would somebody post a picture of this please? If it's true and it's there... case closed. :police:

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HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The boy appears solid and not opaque....


I think you mean translucent. Opaque basically means you cannot see through it. 


You got me, I meant transluscent.

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okay seeing the control ending picture i have to ask ... Why do people think the control ending is the right one to choose???

Also ever time i see that stupid god child catalyst a hole i want to punch him in the mouth lol

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balance5050 wrote...

We need someone to do a slow-mo of this scene like they did with the gun scene.


With any luck, prettz is working on the video as we speak. ^_^ :P

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

http://www.youtube.c...a878v1ZQM#t=741

Shepard with shinny blood on his right hand and arm.


Yes, all the blood becomes shiny all of a sudden, but that doesn't change the fact that the camera looks down at his left hand and abdomen right before he staggers to the console.


Ok let's agree to disagree.


No... not yet...

Nor does it explain why after the ride to Starbinger the blood on the arm is mostly gone and dried up again and Shep is no longer bleeding out. Where is the medigel chest used to plug that hole?

I'm not sure why this is even up for debate. It's trivial. No blood, blood and camera focus, no blood.... simple. Tells me it happens in Sheps mind and symbolizes damage to his Resolve. Both TIM  and Anderson as reps of Sheps psyche are in Harbingers way. No matter what, both have to be removed before the trip up top. Especially (though I know not always available) if Harbinger hopes to get Shep to pick his perfect 'solution'

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I made a vid about the Mass Relay explosions, hope you guys like it.

 
Also, I found these interesting tweets, check it out.


@Kaladur
@masseffect Whats with the ending? It was confusing and very dreamlike was it supposed to be like that?
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‏@masseffect
@kaladur The ending was as we intended, so yes? :)
Say it with me now,  “INDOCTRINATION THEORY”
Here’s the link: https://twitter.com/...787660018171904

‏@Zodi_Emish
@JessicaMerizan What I would like to see is your opinion on how similar the ends are?
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@JessicaMerizan
@Zodi_Emish my personal take: red-save my friends blue-rebuild relays green-singularity! OR should I trust what I just saw? ;)
 
Wait! What??? Friends are SAVED??? EDI is SAVED??? So, it was a dream???
Here's the link: http://199.59.149.232/JessicaMerizan/status/180499739853328385

Regarding the Destroy Ending.....
@GeoffiltratorN7
@JessicaMerizan Do the Quarians all die since they use synthetics implants to regulate and sync their suits? According to the codex.
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@JessicaMerizan
@Geousprime no because it's not reaper tech :)
So, Destroy option ONLY kills Reapers???
Here’s the link: https://twitter.com/...162995753041920
 
‏@MrChr15topher
@JessicaMerizan @Geousprime Quarians dont die cos its not reaper tech? Then why do Geth Die? I no EDI has sovereign code so that makes sense
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@JessicaMerizan
@MrChr15topher we don't see the Geth die so there's no reason that the Guardian isn't being completely honest
Geth are alive in Destroy ending??? Godbrat is not being honest???
Here’s the link: https://twitter.com/...165315916177411
 
@GeoffiltratorN7
@JessicaMerizan Then why does the star brat say Shepard will die because he is partly synthetic? Shepard has no Reaper tech.
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@JessicaMerizan
@Geousprime yeah but Shepard doesn't die in destroy if you have a high EMS sooooooo clearly Guardian is wrong about some things
Godbrat is lieing???
Here’s the link: https://twitter.com/...176957735415808
 

‏@MajorSwift
@JessicaMerizan hope you answer this/see it! EDI getting out of the Normandy in the destroy option? is this a glitch/bug?
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‏@JessicaMerizan
@MajorSwift nope not a bug. EDI wasn't created with Reaper Tech.
EDI is alive??? Destroy option only kills Reapers???
Here’s the Link: https://twitter.com/...192018549514240

@CmdrOwenShepard
@JessicaMerizan I think red is my fave. Why oh why do we have to sacrifice the Geth & EDI though :(
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‏@JessicaMerizan
@CmdrOwenShepard Well, depending on what you think of the Guardian, maybe it wasn't being truthful?
 
You serious??? EDI is still alive in the destroy option??? And since the Destroy option only targets Reapers, Geth are alive too??? And are you calling the godbrat a liar??? This is getting to obvious now. IT ALERT!!! IT ALERT!!! IT ALERT!!!
Here's the link: https://twitter.com/...492732215734272

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@TheMichaelPetry
@JessicaMerizan @Phoenix_Blue @mgregory520 Starkid said "You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want. Even you are partly synthetic." ??
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@JessicaMerizan
@TheMichaelPetry @Phoenix_Blue @mgregory520 yes but you can survive so obviously that's not completely true. Also EDI can walk out sooooooo
Godbrat is not being truthful??? EDI is alive in red ending??? Fourth time you hinted at EDI’s survival.
Here’s the link: https://twitter.com/...211233809571841
 
@MrBlazenGlazen
@JessicaMerizan Wait...didn't you tell me that it is possible for shep and his.her LI, crew to be reunited?
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 ‏@JessicaMerizan
@MrBlazenGlazen yes I said in the destroy ending it's perfectly reasonable to reunite. Whether we SEE that in the EC DLC I can't say :)
We can reunite with Crew in the Destroy ending??? What???
Here’s the Link: https://twitter.com/...666652180946944
 
@MrBlazenGlazen
@JessicaMerizan So it will only be destroy in which shepard can survive and save the normandy crew at this point, right?
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‏@JessicaMerizan
@MrBlazenGlazen yeah you'd want the destroy option :)
ONLY the Destroy option will SAVE MY CREW???
Here’s the link: https://twitter.com/...619323212070912
 
Regarding EC DLC.....
‏@Debojit1986
@JessicaMerizan So, no playable content? Shame, that. But at this point I'll take whatever scraps you guys dish out.
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‏@JessicaMerizan
@Debojit1986 I don't know where you got that from...
So, there IS playable content???
Here’s the link: https://twitter.com/...968517839126528
 
Regarding the Control Ending.....
@MrBlazenGlazen
@JessicaMerizan What do you say? Yes, no, maybe so? Would be a good compromise.
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‏@JessicaMerizan
@MrBlazenGlazen Um I don't think that would be possible. Shepard controlling the Reapers would no longer be "Shep" as we understand it.
So, the control ending is NOT a good compromise??? And Shep would no longer be Shep as we know him??? Husk maybe???
Here’s the Link: https://twitter.com/...616789441413120

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Turbo_J wrote...

It is very hard to see. It is obscured by fog/smoke and only comes clear for one or two frames both times it can be seen. Once near the beginning of the scene and once about the middle... the next thing after that is the apartment building and Shep.


Well... it would tie in with the 'bell-like' noise you can hear in the background. For some reason, the very first time I finished ME3, I simply assumed it was London. When someone said it might be the Crucible, it didn't ring right, at all.

Unschuld wrote...

The kid pulls a Pinocchio and turns from electric ghost to real boy as the electric "blast wave" hits him, a lot like how Shepards gun changes in the destroy ending.

 

That's wierd! So... what does it mean?

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I still don't know where anyone is seeing any part of Big Ben in the breath scene, did someone submit a circled pic and I missed it?

 

I would appreciate this also.

#13323
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Five oH Thre3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...
Especially when there is just as much a possibility that it is part of the Hades Cannon legs given the clock tower/Big Ben can be seen in the background of the 'Breath Scene'. Big Ben is miles away from both the London LZ and the 'beam'

I do suspect, however that you are correct there is no Mako in the scene Epyon.


I'm not sold on the "Big Ben" theory yet. I just can't see it at all in the video.


It is very hard to see. It is obscured by fog/smoke and only comes clear for one or two frames both times it can be seen. Once near the beginning of the scene and once about the middle... the next thing after that is the apartment building and Shep.

I only caught the second appearance in my own video until I found a still of it that look like the angle was different. When I went back to review, I found them both... the first one is only visible for about 2 or 3 frames... using a playback software that can go back and forward one frame at a time is almost mandatory to catch it.


Would somebody post a picture of this please? If it's true and it's there... case closed. :police:


Yes, please. I've been going through a brightened version of the scene and I see nothing remotely resembling the Parliament clock tower. I don't think that's a building in the background, either. It looks far too close to the camera to be that far in the background.

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FreddyCast wrote...

 
 
I made a vid about the Mass Relay explosions, hope you guys like it.

 


Nice work on the vid! I'll check out the tweets in a bit. 

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Five oH Thre3 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...
Especially when there is just as much a possibility that it is part of the Hades Cannon legs given the clock tower/Big Ben can be seen in the background of the 'Breath Scene'. Big Ben is miles away from both the London LZ and the 'beam'

I do suspect, however that you are correct there is no Mako in the scene Epyon.


I'm not sold on the "Big Ben" theory yet. I just can't see it at all in the video.


It is very hard to see. It is obscured by fog/smoke and only comes clear for one or two frames both times it can be seen. Once near the beginning of the scene and once about the middle... the next thing after that is the apartment building and Shep.

I only caught the second appearance in my own video until I found a still of it that look like the angle was different. When I went back to review, I found them both... the first one is only visible for about 2 or 3 frames... using a playback software that can go back and forward one frame at a time is almost mandatory to catch it.


Would somebody post a picture of this please? If it's true and it's there... case closed. :police:


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First place it is seen is shown in the top Middle of this pic by where the claimed mako wheel is.

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Second place is right in the middle (time wise) of the scene and where I caught it.