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[Starbuck8]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

Has anyone ever wondered about looking at the concrete itself for any subliminal messages? Like little tiny writings maybe hinting as to indoctrination, like an easter egg?

I think the textures we have available in the assets have been examined in detail, but I dont think anything like that was turned up. Could be worth a look with that mindset as a new approach, but if I had to guess, I'd say there is nothing there. 

As for the concrete in the breath scene, we cant fully confirm which textures are included there since it is prerendered. So our ability to examine it is limited.

In fact I have always believed that the breath scene was prerendered specifically so that our ability to examine it would be limited. 

I could send you my brightened  video of it for a look if you don't have one already, but first I need to figure out how to email with attachments larger than 25mb. Last time I tried youtube a lot of the quality was outright lost.

Maybe try dropbox?

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...


I could send you my brightened  video of it for a look if you don't have one already, but first I need to figure out how to email with attachments larger than 25mb. Last time I tried youtube a lot of the quality was outright lost.

Definitely dont have one yet, but I'd like to. Looking into ways that we can share files now. 

[Electra77]

Without discussing the merits of the IT theory, would that make the ending good? I mean what is the extended cut going to be then? Pam waking up to Bobby Ewing in the shower realizing that Bobby's death was all a dream (from the show Dallas, for reference).

[Destructorlio]

HellishFiend wrote...

As for the concrete in the breath scene, we cant fully confirm which textures are included there since it is prerendered. So our ability to examine it is limited.

But it has been proven, beyond all doubt, that the slab of concrete you see in the breath scene has precisely the same shape and appearance as another piece of concrete that you see in the London level. That much is beyond dispute or interpretation. 

The only difference is that literalists say that Bioware are just 'reusing textures', and that the appearance of the same slab of concrete doesn't have any meaning, it's simply an artifact of the game creation process- the 'it's a bug' theory, if you will. In fact, this is the standard response to any and all IT theory evidence- anything can be dismissed by saying 'it's a bug'.

So if you believe, as ITers do, that Bioware are actually very careful and specific in placing this evidence, then the slab of concrete is just as hard evidence as the presence of Big Ben would be. But even if Big Ben was there, could that still be dismissed by literalists as 'just a bug'?

[Turbo_J]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

Has anyone ever wondered about looking at the concrete itself for any subliminal messages? Like little tiny writings maybe hinting as to indoctrination, like an easter egg?

I think the textures we have available in the assets have been examined in detail, but I dont think anything like that was turned up. Could be worth a look with that mindset as a new approach, but if I had to guess, I'd say there is nothing there. 

As for the concrete in the breath scene, we cant fully confirm which textures are included there since it is prerendered. So our ability to examine it is limited.

In fact I have always believed that the breath scene was prerendered specifically so that our ability to examine it would be limited. 

I could send you my brightened  video of it for a look if you don't have one already, but first I need to figure out how to email with attachments larger than 25mb. Last time I tried youtube a lot of the quality was outright lost.

I'm going to try to make a new one with the maximum quality I can. Problem is, once the system is booted right now the video card hits 100C as soon as I start the game. Fan is faulty - outright dead. I have a case fan rigged up blowing right on it so I can at least run the system in 2D. Even with the game minimized right now I'm sitting at 86C

I'll get it done ASAP but it took XFX two weeks to replace the card last time. I'll get it done, but depending on the EC release date and just how much of a reveal there is it may be a mute point by then.

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hallo peoples, what's new?

Trying to find Big Ben in the breath scene, so far nothing. But I've got some good shots outlining what I'm seeing in the objects that probably aren't Big Ben.

Meaning...?

[prettz]

need a fact check is the following statement correct.

M-6 Carnifex is found by Shepard and the files for the M-3 Predator model are loaded up only at the destroy ending.

Nether the control ending or synthesis ending loads up the M-3 Predator

[Destructorlio]

Electra77 wrote...

Without discussing the merits of the IT theory, would that make the ending good? I mean what is the extended cut going to be then? Pam waking up to Bobby Ewing in the shower realizing that Bobby's death was all a dream (from the show Dallas, for reference).

Yes, it would make the ending one of the biggest events in gaming history, and a whole new way of representing hallucinations in media- a hallucination that actually takes in the viewer as well as the protagonist. 

There are dozens of theories as to what would happen next, but my personal fav. is that the reason the EC is taking so long is because they are actually creating a seriously large chunk of playable content, that gives a 'real', and satisfying ending. 

Hundreds will still cry foul over the fake-out, but that's only because they didn't take the time to examine the IT clues, which is the function of this thread.

[HellishFiend]

Destructorlio wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

As for the concrete in the breath scene, we cant fully confirm which textures are included there since it is prerendered. So our ability to examine it is limited.

But it has been proven, beyond all doubt, that the slab of concrete you see in the breath scene has precisely the same shape and appearance as another piece of concrete that you see in the London level. That much is beyond dispute or interpretation. 

The only difference is that literalists say that Bioware are just 'reusing textures', and that the appearance of the same slab of concrete doesn't have any meaning, it's simply an artifact of the game creation process- the 'it's a bug' theory, if you will. In fact, this is the standard response to any and all IT theory evidence- anything can be dismissed by saying 'it's a bug'.

So if you believe, as ITers do, that Bioware are actually very careful and specific in placing this evidence, then the slab of concrete is just as hard evidence as the presence of Big Ben would be. But even if Big Ben was there, could that still be dismissed by literalists as 'just a bug'?

True, I forgot about that determination being made. 

[dreamgazer]

Electra77 wrote...

Without discussing the merits of the IT theory, would that make the ending good? I mean what is the extended cut going to be then? Pam waking up to Bobby Ewing in the shower realizing that Bobby's death was all a dream (from the show Dallas, for reference).

Would you enjoy an element in the ending that revealed Shepard---referenced as being mentally "strong-willed"---fought off indoctrination, a central plot device stretching back to the beginning of the series?  The very thing that twisted Saren's idealism?

I would.  Shepard's done some pretty singular things, but that would be the apex.

[llbountyhunter]

Electra77 wrote...

Without discussing the merits of the IT theory, would that make the ending good? I mean what is the extended cut going to be then? Pam waking up to Bobby Ewing in the shower realizing that Bobby's death was all a dream (from the show Dallas, for reference).

you would wake up from harsh a taxing and mental battle with harbinger. should you choose destroy, you, and overcome indoctrination by refusing to succumb, you have essentially beaten the reapers at their own game. and (possibly, this is one of my possoble outcomes) destroyed harbinger in real life. (similar to hoe killing saren disabled sovereing in me1)


so IT becomes the worlds most epic boos battle.

[HellishFiend]

Destructorlio wrote...

Electra77 wrote...

Without discussing the merits of the IT theory, would that make the ending good? I mean what is the extended cut going to be then? Pam waking up to Bobby Ewing in the shower realizing that Bobby's death was all a dream (from the show Dallas, for reference).

Yes, it would make the ending one of the biggest events in gaming history, and a whole new way of representing hallucinations in media- a hallucination that actually takes in the viewer as well as the protagonist. 

There are dozens of theories as to what would happen next, but my personal fav. is that the reason the EC is taking so long is because they are actually creating a seriously large chunk of playable content, that gives a 'real', and satisfying ending. 

Hundreds will still cry foul over the fake-out, but that's only because they didn't take the time to examine the IT clues, which is the function of this thread.

This. So very much this.  I've missed having you around because you are an expert at wording important points such as that. 

[Turbo_J]

Destructorlio wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

As for the concrete in the breath scene, we cant fully confirm which textures are included there since it is prerendered. So our ability to examine it is limited.

But it has been proven, beyond all doubt, that the slab of concrete you see in the breath scene has precisely the same shape and appearance as another piece of concrete that you see in the London level. That much is beyond dispute or interpretation. 

The only difference is that literalists say that Bioware are just 'reusing textures', and that the appearance of the same slab of concrete doesn't have any meaning, it's simply an artifact of the game creation process- the 'it's a bug' theory, if you will. In fact, this is the standard response to any and all IT theory evidence- anything can be dismissed by saying 'it's a bug'.

So if you believe, as ITers do, that Bioware are actually very careful and specific in placing this evidence, then the slab of concrete is just as hard evidence as the presence of Big Ben would be. But even if Big Ben was there, could that still be dismissed by literalists as 'just a bug'?

How could it be... it's a rendered scene.

Also, right in the area of the Hades Cannon, there is plenty of broken concrete, tiles, rebar - and I mean real brown rusty rebar, sticking out of the half standing broken walls. Not sure about the cables, but they could be from the shuttle itself... Shep would have to have been thrown clear to some degree however.

[llbountyhunter]

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hallo peoples, what's new?

Trying to find Big Ben in the breath scene, so far nothing. But I've got some good shots outlining what I'm seeing in the objects that probably aren't Big Ben.

Meaning...?

that the entirety of "priority: earth" was not a complete hallucination.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Alright everyone, lots of images incoming below, please note they look much better if you right click and View Image. I'm not sure what in the breath scene people are seeing as Big Ben but this will either add fuel to that arguement or extinguish it... or maybe it won't do anything at all. Please note the following outlines are to guide your eye to the lines I'm seeing in the objects.

Let's start with a picture of Big Ben for reference:


Here's the "vehicle" object without any lines:


And here's what my eyes see, red are for the object itself, green is what I can make out of the big block behind it:



Now here's what I'm calling "debris" in the background, first without guide lines:


Now with, please note the red is what I can see clearly while the yellow lines are mostly a big fat guess:


And an alternate guess at the same object:


Still not sure where anyone is seeing Big Ben in any of these, maybe I missed it entirely, but feel free to rip this apart.

[dreamgazer]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hallo peoples, what's new?

Trying to find Big Ben in the breath scene, so far nothing. But I've got some good shots outlining what I'm seeing in the objects that probably aren't Big Ben.

Meaning...?

that the entirety of "priority: earth" was not a complete hallucination.

How many of the theorists are under the impression that all of Priority: Earth was a hallucination? 

I'm certainly not in that camp.  I have a hard enough time figuring out if it's the vehicle crash or Harbinger's beam that starts the thing off. 

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger, it could be pretty easy to just use Live Skydrive to share the file. It comes with a free 7 gig limit, and I'm assuming you have a Live account since most people do, at this point.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger, it could be pretty easy to just use Live Skydrive to share the file. It comes with a free 7 gig limit, and I'm assuming you have a Live account since most people do, at this point.

Live as in Xbox/Windows Live? give me a sec I'll check it out.

[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

need a fact check is the following statement correct.

M-6 Carnifex is found by Shepard and the files for the M-3 Predator model are loaded up only at the destroy ending.

Nether the control ending or synthesis ending loads up the M-3 Predator

I can indirectly confirm that. I wasnt the one to personally do it, but I do know that someone claimed to have done it. 

[llbountyhunter]

 


Iill just leave this here...

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hallo peoples, what's new?

Trying to find Big Ben in the breath scene, so far nothing. But I've got some good shots outlining what I'm seeing in the objects that probably aren't Big Ben.

Meaning...?

that the entirety of "priority: earth" was not a complete hallucination.

How many of the theorists are under the impression that all of Priority: Earth was a hallucination? 

I'm certainly not in that camp.  I have a hard enough time figuring out if it's the vehicle crash or Harbinger's beam that starts the thing off. 

It is nearly irrefutable at this point that there is something off about the entire London sequence. Is it that it's a full-on hallucination? I'm undecided. But just as in IT as a whole, there is a staggering amount of evidence that points to there being something very wrong with the events that take place in London. An incomplete summary of that evidence was just posted earlier today. 

[Unschuld]

prettz wrote...

need a fact check is the following statement correct.

M-6 Carnifex is found by Shepard and the files for the M-3 Predator model are loaded up only at the destroy ending.

Nether the control ending or synthesis ending loads up the M-3 Predator

That is correct. I was looking throught the files myself the other day and posted this.

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

need a fact check is the following statement correct.

M-6 Carnifex is found by Shepard and the files for the M-3 Predator model are loaded up only at the destroy ending.

Nether the control ending or synthesis ending loads up the M-3 Predator

I can indirectly confirm that. I wasnt the one to personally do it, but I do know that someone claimed to have done it. 

Would the fact that Shepard fires a gun only in Destroy automatically trigger the loading of the Predator---like a default mechanism?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@llbountyhunter wrote...

I've seen that about a dozen times whenever someone asks where Big Ben is. I'm going to ask this once: There's about 10-20 objects in all those images, please point to Big Ben wherever it is in there before you give me another headache.

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

It is nearly irrefutable at this point that there is something off about the entire London sequence. Is it that it's a full-on hallucination? I'm undecided. But just as in IT as a whole, there is a staggering amount of evidence that points to there being something very wrong with the events that take place in London. An incomplete summary of that evidence was just posted earlier today. 

I dunno.  If anything, the whole thing might seem off because it's getting deeper into Shepard's system.