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[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

*snip*

It is nearly irrefutable at this point that there is something off about the entire London sequence. Is it that it's a full-on hallucination? I'm undecided. But just as in IT as a whole, there is a staggering amount of evidence that points to there being something very wrong with the events that take place in London. An incomplete summary of that evidence was just posted earlier today. 

I'm thinking on the possibility the Beam itself is both a transportation conduit to the Citadel and a giant Indoctrination Signal emitter/device. Does not necessarily mean all of London is a hallucination, but does make it possible for so many things being "off" during the level. Also makes it possible for Shepard to be further indoctrinated while he/she is fighting through London.

[llbountyhunter]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@llbountyhunter wrote...

I've seen that about a dozen times whenever someone asks where Big Ben is. I'm going to ask this once: There's about 10-20 objects in all those images, please point to Big Ben wherever it is in there before you give me another headache.

calm down, were on the same side. i dont see it either.  


I also think thats the picture most comonly used to disprove the idea of the big ben

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 07 juin 2012 - 04:21 .

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

need a fact check is the following statement correct.

M-6 Carnifex is found by Shepard and the files for the M-3 Predator model are loaded up only at the destroy ending.

Nether the control ending or synthesis ending loads up the M-3 Predator

I can indirectly confirm that. I wasnt the one to personally do it, but I do know that someone claimed to have done it. 

Would the fact that Shepard fires a gun only in Destroy automatically trigger the loading of the Predator---like a default mechanism?

I would have to say no. There is no precedent for that sort of thing happening. The only time where the wrong gun is ever loaded is during the Wrex betrayal scene. Wrex's gun for a short moment is garbled with the models of two guns at the same time, but that is because Bioware used the model of a Claymore and the sound effect of a Graal Spike Thrower. The claymore is properly shown in all but a couple of the camera shots, where for some reason the models for both are present in his hand. 

That is not the case here. The "endgamecarnifex" has its own asset in the game. There would be no reason for it to glitch up and load another gun asset and change to it at that specific moment. 

[llbountyhunter]

can someone relist the things that were "off" with priority earth again?

[Unschuld]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Alright everyone, lots of images incoming below, please note they look much better if you right click and View Image. I'm not sure what in the breath scene people are seeing as Big Ben but this will either add fuel to that arguement or extinguish it... or maybe it won't do anything at all. Please note the following outlines are to guide your eye to the lines I'm seeing in the objects.

Let's start with a picture of Big Ben for reference:
*massive snip*

Still not sure where anyone is seeing Big Ben in any of these, maybe I missed it entirely, but feel free to rip this apart.

NICE screen captures.

Here's an idea for someone intrepid enough: Take the entire breath scene frame by frame and construct a single panoramic image of where the camera pans. It'll make lining up objects much easier for identification.

Modifié par Unschuld, 07 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

[ZerebusPrime]

Someone mentioned hidden messages in the debris texture. So I've stared at the debris for a good ten minutes now. I've seen everything from a human skull to Saren to George H W Bush and John F Kennedy. In other words, there's nothing I can find that isn't a trick of the mind.

Now, regarding the Carnifex of Doom and the Predator of Salvation, did we not confirm that the Predator only appears in a Destroy ending with sufficiently high EMS to get the breath scene?

[Destructorlio]

dreamgazer wrote...

How many of the theorists are under the impression that all of Priority: Earth was a hallucination? 

I'm certainly not in that camp.  I have a hard enough time figuring out if it's the vehicle crash or Harbinger's beam that starts the thing off. 

I agree- I've always believed the hallucination started with Harbinger's Beam, although I'm certainly willing to entertain the evidence to the contrary.

HellishFiend wrote...

I've missed having you around because you are an expert at wording important points such as that. 

 

Daw, shucks! 

[UrgentArchengel]

To me. Shepard was slightly delusional during Retake Earth. It all happened up to Harby's failed laser surgery, but it was vaguely off. Things were happening that just didn't make much sense, or just felt off. Alot of the FOB didn't have much feeling to it, it felt kinda flat. The best parts were with Kaiden and Garrus. Even Liara's gift felt off. Anyway, that final mission was messed up.

[HellishFiend]

HellishFiend wrote...

I would have to say no. There is no precedent for that sort of thing happening. The only time where the wrong gun is ever loaded is during the Wrex betrayal scene. Wrex's gun for a short moment is garbled with the models of two guns at the same time, but that is because Bioware used the model of a Claymore and the sound effect of a Graal Spike Thrower. The claymore is properly shown in all but a couple of the camera shots, where for some reason the models for both are present in his hand. 

That is not the case here. The "endgamecarnifex" has its own asset in the game. There would be no reason for it to glitch up and load another gun asset and change to it at that specific moment. 

Oh, and actually, come to think of it, I can expound on this subject even further. 

Did you read the patch notes for the most recent patch? Bioware actually fixed a glitch in the endgame sequence. 

-Fixed an issue where the player would always be walking forward instead of towards objective in The Return mission

They actually took the time to fix a minor, insignificant glitch that the vast majority of the playerbase was not even aware of. 

What does that mean, you might ask? I think it means that Bioware wants to be clear about what is intentional or unintentional in "The Return". Other, more major things that would certainly be deserving of a fix before an edge-case animation glitch?

-Clipping error on the Keepers
-Gun that doesnt require reloading and reloads with wrong animation
-Hole in the chasm walkway that you can walk over
-Shadows not pointing in the proper directions in the TIM/Anderson convo

Should I keep going?  I think we can take it as a clue in and of itself that Bioware chose to fix that one minor glitch and none of the ones that could be written off as being glitches instead of clues. 

[llbountyhunter]

Destructorlio wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

How many of the theorists are under the impression that all of Priority: Earth was a hallucination? 

I'm certainly not in that camp.  I have a hard enough time figuring out if it's the vehicle crash or Harbinger's beam that starts the thing off. 

I agree- I've always believed the hallucination started with Harbinger's Beam, although I'm certainly willing to entertain the evidence to the contrary.

I dont sucribe to all of earth being a hallucination... but I do think it started at the shuttle crash.... possibly.


its to long to wirte here.....so you can take a look at thread in my sig

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 07 juin 2012 - 04:26 .

[HellishFiend]

UrgentArchengel, I know this is random, but I have to ask, are you Archengeia from youtube, or are your names just similar?

[boeloe]

Destructorlio wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

How many of the theorists are under the impression that all of Priority: Earth was a hallucination? 

I'm certainly not in that camp.  I have a hard enough time figuring out if it's the vehicle crash or Harbinger's beam that starts the thing off. 

I agree- I've always believed the hallucination started with Harbinger's Beam, although I'm certainly willing to entertain the evidence to the contrary.

I'm also not in that camp, couple a days ago I did a whole post concerning why I think Priority: Earth can't be entirely halucinated.
It's on page 424: http://social.biowar...32/424#12385388

Sorry for plugging my old posts

[Auralius Carolus]

Sometimes I just can't help myself.

[HellishFiend]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Someone mentioned hidden messages in the debris texture. So I've stared at the debris for a good ten minutes now. I've seen everything from a human skull to Saren to George H W Bush and John F Kennedy. In other words, there's nothing I can find that isn't a trick of the mind.

Now, regarding the Carnifex of Doom and the Predator of Salvation, did we not confirm that the Predator only appears in a Destroy ending with sufficiently high EMS to get the breath scene?

lol  Faces in the concrete. Who knew?

Unfortunately, the "Predator switch occurring only in high EMS situations" thing was debunked. Sad too, because that would have made it a much stronger piece of evidence than it already is. 

[dmay7]

I refuse to believe that Earth was hallucinated. The entire scene of the fleet enter the system is definitley on my top 3 of greatest goosebump giving moments (it's tied with Enterprise rising above Titan in Star Trek XI and the final run of the Suicide Mission).

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...


NICE screen captures.

Here's an idea for someone intrepid enough: Take the entire breath scene frame by frame and construct a single panoramic image of where the camera pans. It'll make lining up objects much easier for identification.

Thats a great idea, actually. I wonder if anyone has both the will and the way to pull something like that off. I certainly dont have the skills or the software necessary to do it. 

It would probably be distorted because of the moving fog. But who knows, might still turn up something useful. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[UrgentArchengel]

HellishFiend wrote...

UrgentArchengel, I know this is random, but I have to ask, are you Archengeia from youtube, or are your names just similar?

No, just similar, my YouTube is abelinkinpark.

[Turbo_J]

dmay7 wrote...

I refuse to believe that Earth was hallucinated. The entire scene of the fleet enter the system is definitley on my top 3 of greatest goosebump giving moments (it's tied with Enterprise rising above Titan in Star Trek XI and the final run of the Suicide Mission).

Not that far back...

My guess is it starts after the shuttle with the heavy weapons team was hit by the Hades. I think both shuttles went down in that area.

[Auralius Carolus]

dmay7 wrote...

I refuse to believe that Earth was hallucinated. The entire scene of the fleet enter the system is definitley on my top 3 of greatest goosebump giving moments (it's tied with Enterprise rising above Titan in Star Trek XI and the final run of the Suicide Mission).

Yeah, I honestly don't buy Priority Earth being hallucinated/dreamt. If the IT is real, odds are it occurs at either the beam rush or at passing out on the Citadel.

[HellishFiend]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

No, just similar, my YouTube is abelinkinpark.

Ah, ok. 

[dmay7]

Turbo_J wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

I refuse to believe that Earth was hallucinated. The entire scene of the fleet enter the system is definitley on my top 3 of greatest goosebump giving moments (it's tied with Enterprise rising above Titan in Star Trek XI and the final run of the Suicide Mission).

Not that far back...

My guess is it starts after the shuttle with the heavy weapons team was hit by the Hades. I think both shuttles went down in that area.

That would go with the gun drift previously described.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...


NICE screen captures.

Here's an idea for someone intrepid enough: Take the entire breath scene frame by frame and construct a single panoramic image of where the camera pans. It'll make lining up objects much easier for identification.

Thats a great idea, actually. I wonder if anyone has both the will and the way to pull something like that off. I certainly dont have the skills or the software necessary to do it. 

It would probably be distorted because of the moving fog. But who knows, might still turn up something useful. 

Anyone trying, good luck with piecing that together because wow that camera angle.

[ZerebusPrime]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...


NICE screen captures.

Here's an idea for someone intrepid enough: Take the entire breath scene frame by frame and construct a single panoramic image of where the camera pans. It'll make lining up objects much easier for identification.

Thats a great idea, actually. I wonder if anyone has both the will and the way to pull something like that off. I certainly dont have the skills or the software necessary to do it. 

It would probably be distorted because of the moving fog. But who knows, might still turn up something useful. 

I fear that the moving smoke would dash any hopes of a truly comprehensive composite image.

[boeloe]

Turbo_J wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

I refuse to believe that Earth was hallucinated. The entire scene of the fleet enter the system is definitley on my top 3 of greatest goosebump giving moments (it's tied with Enterprise rising above Titan in Star Trek XI and the final run of the Suicide Mission).

Not that far back...

My guess is it starts after the shuttle with the heavy weapons team was hit by the Hades. I think both shuttles went down in that area.

No it has to be after you get extracted by Anderson and Coats when you've taken down the hades cannon.

[dreamgazer]

Huh. So, you guys are tossing the idea around that all of the goodbyes said to the squad-mates might be part of the hallucination?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 juin 2012 - 04:43 .