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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Starbuck8 wrote...

Oh after u said it was at an angle i could see it! And both have said its more clear in motion. Will look when i get home but im starting to believe this


Doesnt matter whether I view it in motion or in the picture, I cant see it. The monitors I have available arent suffering from whatever viewing angle issue is enabling you guys to see it...

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TacoKush wrote...

Also why is it taking this long for the free DLC? If its truly a 5min cut-scene, it should not take this long.

Dear Bioware,
Your not building suspense, your just fueling the rage....
p.s I really hope its more than 5mins...............


I don't have any rage to fuel, for me it's fueling the suspense.

You =/= Everybody

Also, we pretty much know there will be gameplay.

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TacoKush wrote...

Also why is it taking this long for the free DLC? If its truly a 5min cut-scene, it should not take this long.

Dear Bioware,
Your not building suspense, your just fueling the rage....
p.s I really hope its more than 5mins...............


It will be longer than 5 minutes, of that you can be sure. And at this point, theyre not trying to build suspense with the process of creating the EC, they are just creating the EC. At this point it is safe to assume that they did not have time to complete whatever content they are working on in time for release, so there is no way we could have received it with the game. 

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

double post sorry!


What was seen cannot be unseen.....


What's wierd is my double post disappeared o_O

As for silverlight I think that's what FireFox uses to view stuff on SkyDrive. Had to update mine.


I just restarted FF and it worked. Vid quality is too low. I can see the clock outline in the second section but not the first. Too pixilated.

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If you look closely you can see the white triangle normally, and if you tilt the screen so it does that wierd contrast thing, you can see the whole dark building Posted Image Still doesn't really look like Big Ben though Posted Image


I agree, the triangle is there if you know to look for it, but from the materials I have available, I cant confirm what it is. I dont have raw uncompressed video of the breath scene, nor the PC version, so the only other way I can view the scene is on my console, which isnt very practical for viewing repeatedly or significantly altering the brightness. 


Skydrive doesn't allow more than 300MB apparently otherwise I'd upload my raw footage of the breath scene. No easier to see without it brightened though, can sitll make out what looks like either buildings or more rubble back there.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

If you look closely you can see the white triangle normally, and if you tilt the screen so it does that wierd contrast thing, you can see the whole dark building Posted Image Still doesn't really look like Big Ben though Posted Image


I agree, the triangle is there if you know to look for it, but from the materials I have available, I cant confirm what it is. I dont have raw uncompressed video of the breath scene, nor the PC version, so the only other way I can view the scene is on my console, which isnt very practical for viewing repeatedly or significantly altering the brightness. 


Skydrive doesn't allow more than 300MB apparently otherwise I'd upload my raw footage of the breath scene. No easier to see without it brightened though, can sitll make out what looks like either buildings or more rubble back there.


Try dropbox, i think they allow larger files.

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ivenoidea wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

Also why is it taking this long for the free DLC? If its truly a 5min cut-scene, it should not take this long.

Dear Bioware,
Your not building suspense, your just fueling the rage....
p.s I really hope its more than 5mins...............


I don't have any rage to fuel, for me it's fueling the suspense.

You =/= Everybody

Also, we pretty much know there will be gameplay.


Is there proof that there will be gameplay ? ......

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I just restarted FF and it worked. Vid quality is too low. I can see the clock outline in the second section but not the first. Too pixilated.


I see. At least I know I'm not blind. That's a shame though, because I really wish I could see what you're seeing.

Never thought there would be a clue that could only be seen under such specific circumstances. 

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TacoKush wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

Also why is it taking this long for the free DLC? If its truly a 5min cut-scene, it should not take this long.

Dear Bioware,
Your not building suspense, your just fueling the rage....
p.s I really hope its more than 5mins...............


I don't have any rage to fuel, for me it's fueling the suspense.

You =/= Everybody

Also, we pretty much know there will be gameplay.


Is there proof that there will be gameplay ? ......


No. And the opposite was stated in the official announcement.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

I just restarted FF and it worked. Vid quality is too low. I can see the clock outline in the second section but not the first. Too pixilated.


I see. At least I know I'm not blind. That's a shame though, because I really wish I could see what you're seeing.

Never thought there would be a clue that could only be seen under such specific circumstances. 


I've been trying to find a way to highlight the face, but it's so badly pixilated that any touching up makes it look worse.

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I really see nothing in that vid. No building, just smoke. Sorry. I watched it at least 7 or 8 times and couldn't make out anything.

I DID notice something interesting though. Did anyone notice there's a rebar at the very end of the scene that looks like it might be driven into Shep's leg? From that video, its either behind his/her leg or it has indeed penetrated Shep's leg. I find this interesting considering the leaked script involved Shepard getting up after Harbinger's beam but he/she had a piece of rebar in his/her leg and Anderson came and helped him/her up. Shep pulls the rebar out, applies some medi gel, and continues forward.

Perhaps, this, or something akin could be in the EC? Just noticed this now, and it puzzles me a bit. Could be nothing. But that rebar does look like it might be in his/her leg. I mean its either that, or just conveniently RIGHT behind it.

Modifié par Makrys, 07 juin 2012 - 07:45 .


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No. And the opposite was stated in the official announcement.

As I keep reminding people: no it wasn't. The official announcement didn't mention gmeplay at all one way or the other.

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Turbo_J wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

Also why is it taking this long for the free DLC? If its truly a 5min cut-scene, it should not take this long.

Dear Bioware,
Your not building suspense, your just fueling the rage....
p.s I really hope its more than 5mins...............


I don't have any rage to fuel, for me it's fueling the suspense.

You =/= Everybody

Also, we pretty much know there will be gameplay.


Is there proof that there will be gameplay ? ......


No. And the opposite was stated in the official announcement.



Umm, when? As far as I know they never said there wasn't, and they hinted there will be Posted Image

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Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

I just restarted FF and it worked. Vid quality is too low. I can see the clock outline in the second section but not the first. Too pixilated.


I see. At least I know I'm not blind. That's a shame though, because I really wish I could see what you're seeing.

Never thought there would be a clue that could only be seen under such specific circumstances. 


I've been trying to find a way to highlight the face, but it's so badly pixilated that any touching up makes it look worse.


Thats ok, dont worry about doing that. In this situation it would only elaborate on what is there that I cant actually see with the materials I have. 

Though we should keep trying to figure out a way to make your find available to the masses, because it would put a permanent and final end to the "Shepard is still on the Citadel in the breath scene" argument. 

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I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...

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I love that people keep going around saying the EC will not contain gameplay when Bioware has never said that. The press release made no mention of gameplay. Only 'extended cinematics and additional scenes'.

'Additional scenes' could be anything.

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Because he isn't indoctrinated until you pick Control or Synthesis.

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TacoKush wrote...

I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...

Does the VI appear at the end during the indoc choice scene? No? Then there's your answer.

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Makrys wrote...

I really see nothing in that vid. No building, just smoke. Sorry. I watched it at least 7 or 8 times and couldn't make out anything.

I DID notice something interesting though. Did anyone notice there's a rebar at the very end of the scene that looks like it might be driven into Shep's leg? From that video, its either behind his/her leg or it has indeed penetrated Shep's leg. I find this interesting considering the leaked script involved Shepard getting up after Harbinger's beam but he/she had a piece of rebar in his/her leg and Anderson came and helped him/her up. Shep pulls the rebar out, applies some medi gel, and continues forward.

Perhaps, this, or something akin could be in the EC? Just noticed this now, and it puzzles me a bit. Could be nothing. But that rebar does look like it might be in his/her leg. I mean its either that, or just conveniently RIGHT behind it.


Turbo already confirmed that the video we have is not capable of showing the clock because of the compression of the encode used to make it. 

Also about the rebar thing, yes it has been noticed and speculated on in great detail, but I dont know a whole lot about it because I honestly wasnt too interested.  Something like whether Shepard has a object jammed through his leg or not is something I'd be inclined to just wait and see, because whether it is or isnt true, it isnt evidence one way or the other. 

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TacoKush wrote...

I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...


He wasn't indoctrinated. The Reaper's were trying to indoctrinate him. The only way he becomes indoctrinated is if you choose control or synthesis at the end. That is the final stage in Shepard's mind, and if he gives in to Reaper lies/doctrine, then he has effectively succumbed to their power over his mind.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I really see nothing in that vid. No building, just smoke. Sorry. I watched it at least 7 or 8 times and couldn't make out anything.

I DID notice something interesting though. Did anyone notice there's a rebar at the very end of the scene that looks like it might be driven into Shep's leg? From that video, its either behind his/her leg or it has indeed penetrated Shep's leg. I find this interesting considering the leaked script involved Shepard getting up after Harbinger's beam but he/she had a piece of rebar in his/her leg and Anderson came and helped him/her up. Shep pulls the rebar out, applies some medi gel, and continues forward.

Perhaps, this, or something akin could be in the EC? Just noticed this now, and it puzzles me a bit. Could be nothing. But that rebar does look like it might be in his/her leg. I mean its either that, or just conveniently RIGHT behind it.


Turbo already confirmed that the video we have is not capable of showing the clock because of the compression of the encode used to make it. 

Also about the rebar thing, yes it has been noticed and speculated on in great detail, but I dont know a whole lot about it because I honestly wasnt too interested.  Something like whether Shepard has a object jammed through his leg or not is something I'd be inclined to just wait and see, because whether it is or isnt true, it isnt evidence one way or the other. 


I never said it was evidence, I just thought it was interesting considering it was in the leaked script.

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RavenEyry wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...

Does the VI appear at the end during the indoc choice scene? No? Then there's your answer.


Exactly. A common (and frustrating) misconception about IT is that we are supposedly saying the ending is the way it is "because Shepard is indoctrinated". That isnt what we're saying at all.

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Makrys wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...


He wasn't indoctrinated. The Reaper's were trying to indoctrinate him. The only way he becomes indoctrinated is if you choose control or synthesis at the end. That is the final stage in Shepard's mind, and if he gives in to Reaper lies/doctrine, then he has effectively succumbed to their power over his mind.


x2  :wizard:

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RavenEyry wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...

Does the VI appear at the end during the indoc choice scene? No? Then there's your answer.


But what about the dreams. Wasnt that the catalist (Reapers) trying to psych out Shepard, and the visions of the boy before he left earth. Isnt that a form of Indoc.:blink:

Modifié par TacoKush, 07 juin 2012 - 07:57 .


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Makrys wrote...


I never said it was evidence, I just thought it was interesting considering it was in the leaked script.


And I never said you said it was evidence. :P

I was just saying why I wasnt particularly interested in the effort dedicated to determining if that object is indeed jammed through Shepard's leg. There was a lot of work done on it. I believe it is somewhere in the first topic.