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[HellishFiend]

TacoKush wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...

Does the VI appear at the end during the indoc choice scene? No? Then there's your answer.

But what about the dreams. Wasnt that the catalist (Reapers) trying to psych out Shepard. Isnt that a form of Indoc.

The point is that there is a big difference between "undergoing the process of an indoctrination attempt" and "being fully indoctrinated and enhanced with Reaper tech".

IT states Shepard falls into the first category. Kai Leng falls into the second, which is ostensibly why the VI can identify him as indoctrinated. 

[Makrys]

TacoKush wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...

Does the VI appear at the end during the indoc choice scene? No? Then there's your answer.

But what about the dreams. Wasnt that the catalist (Reapers) trying to psych out Shepard. Isnt that a form of Indoc.

Yes, its a form of indoc. If you are under the process of indoctrination, in other words the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate you, you will experience some, not all, indoctrination symptoms. In this case, dreams about ghostly presences, alien voices in the mind, and oily shadows all coincide as the Reapers trying to break Shepard's will. 

Everytime he sees this kid in his nightmares, the kid burns at the end. Signifying that Shepard cannot save everyone, further depressing him and bringing him down. Weakening his mental state; thus making him easier to indoctrinate. However, the final choice of what happens to him ultimately comes down to the player and whether they are able to sense the Reaper's presence in the catalyst's logic. Its really quite brilliant.

Modifié par Makrys, 07 juin 2012 - 07:56 .

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

Yes, its a form of indoc. If you are under the process of indoctrination, in other words the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate you, you will experience some, not all, indoctrination symptoms. In this case, dreams about ghostly presences, alien voices in the mind, and oily shadows all coincide as the Reapers trying to break Shepard's will. 

Everytime he sees this kid in his nightmares, the kid burns at the end. Signifying that Shepard cannot save everyone, further depressing him and bringing him down. Weakening his mental state; thus making him easier to indoctrinate. However, the final choice of what happens to him ultimately comes down to the player and whether they are able to sense the Reaper's presence in the endings' logic. Its really quite brilliant.

In my opinion, the most brilliant twist in the history of gaming, if we're right about it. 

[Turbo_J]

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Yes, its a form of indoc. If you are under the process of indoctrination, in other words the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate you, you will experience some, not all, indoctrination symptoms. In this case, dreams about ghostly presences, alien voices in the mind, and oily shadows all coincide as the Reapers trying to break Shepard's will. 

Everytime he sees this kid in his nightmares, the kid burns at the end. Signifying that Shepard cannot save everyone, further depressing him and bringing him down. Weakening his mental state; thus making him easier to indoctrinate. However, the final choice of what happens to him ultimately comes down to the player and whether they are able to sense the Reaper's presence in the endings' logic. Its really quite brilliant.

In my opinion, the most brilliant twist in the history of gaming, if we're right about it. 

+1

However, I see the kid burning as a warning. My Shep would never dishonor war casualties by whittling them down to one representative. She also morns after conflict, just right at the beginning. That boy was a red flag on my very first playthrough. Shep had never been put OOC  so badly before. NPCs yes, on occasion, but never Shepard.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 07 juin 2012 - 08:04 .

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

That has never been the question for that particular answer. I dont think it was ever changed. I saw it the day it came out and it always said "Will there be new endings?" or something to that effect. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[Makrys]

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

They never mentioned gameplay. That question you are referring to was asking about whether there would be any new endings, to which they said no. Here's the link if you want to re-read it. 

http://www.masseffec...bout/faq/#s5q01

Modifié par Makrys, 07 juin 2012 - 08:02 .

[Starbuck8]

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

[BleedingUranium]

TacoKush wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

I still haven't found this answer:

If Shepard is Indoc. why didn't the Prothean VI (in Thessia and TIM Base) detect it on him ...

Does the VI appear at the end during the indoc choice scene? No? Then there's your answer.

But what about the dreams. Wasnt that the catalist (Reapers) trying to psych out Shepard, and the visions of the boy before he left earth. Isnt that a form of Indoc.

No, because indoctrination is synonymous with agreeing with the Reapers. By choosing, say, synthesis, you agree that doing what Starbinger said synthesis would do, which is exactly what Reapers do.

[Makrys]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

They never said that. Trust me. I remember reading this thing when it came out, day one.

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Really, you saw it too? Hmm. 

[TacoKush]

If this theory ends up hitting the can. Will you guys still believe in it, as a canon? ( I probably will, unless they come up with a better excuse for space magic. highly doubt it though..)

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

They never said that. Trust me. I remember reading this thing when it came out, day one.

Same here, but Starbuck8 just corroborated Turbo's story. So that makes us tied up at 2-2....

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 08:05 .

[Starbuck8]

Makrys wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

They never said that. Trust me. I remember reading this thing when it came out, day one.

Well I didn't look at it until much later after it came out. I remember there being a Q regarding additional gameplay and them saying there wouldn't be any, and I found that kind of depressing. Think that was before I started looking into IT. I could be wrong tho, maybe remembering something someone misquoted or posted somewhere...

[Turbo_J]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Thank god! These guys about had me questioning my sanity... First the clock, then this! Dammit.

****g trolls.


wow - sensors f ' i n

that's pretty good.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 07 juin 2012 - 08:07 .

[Makrys]

Well, either way its good news for the IT. So fine by me. If they never mentioned it, they're purposely not mentioning it. If they did mention it and then deleted it, then they purposely are not mentioning it.

Surprise gameplay/combat in store for EC? Who knows.

I really just want conversations. That's what I want the most. To at least be able to interact. I really don't want to just watch cinematics. I want to play the game and talk to people at the end. Especially my LI. 

Modifié par Makrys, 07 juin 2012 - 08:10 .

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

They never said that. Trust me. I remember reading this thing when it came out, day one.

Same here, but Starbuck8 just corroborated Turbo's story. So that makes us tied up at 2-2....

Well, it's definitely not there now, so that's a good sign!

[HellishFiend]

TacoKush wrote...

If this theory ends up hitting the can. Will you guys still believe in it, as a canon? ( I probably will, unless they come up with a better excuse for space magic. highly doubt it though..)

I dont know if I'd be able to do that, personally. I've never been one to go with "headcanon" unless the author has explicitly decided not to offer a particular piece of lore where I feel there needs to be one. 

So for me, regardless of what I believe now, Bioware's say is going to be the final say in the matter. 

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Thank god! These guys about had me questioning my sanity... First the clock, then this! Dammit.

****g trolls.


wow - sensors f ' i n

that's pretty good.

Hey...who you calling a troll? <_<

[Starbuck8]

Turbo_J wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Thank god! These guys about had me questioning my sanity... First the clock, then this! Dammit.

****g trolls.


wow - sensors f ' i n

that's pretty good.

Lol! And I could swear the way you stated it was almost word-for-word what they had on the FAQ a couple weeks ago. Anyway, as I said, at least its not there now

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

If this theory ends up hitting the can. Will you guys still believe in it, as a canon? ( I probably will, unless they come up with a better excuse for space magic. highly doubt it though..)

I dont know if I'd be able to do that, personally. I've never been one to go with "headcanon" unless the author has explicitly decided not to offer a particular piece of lore where I feel there needs to be one. 

So for me, regardless of what I believe now, Bioware's say is going to be the final say in the matter. 

Seconded.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

However, I see the kid burning as a warning. My Shep would never dishonor war casualties by whittling them down to one representative. She also morns after conflict, just right at the beginning. That boy was a red flag on my very first playthrough. Shep had never been put OOC  so badly before. NPCs yes, on occasion, but never Shepard.

I agree completely. Certain parts of ME3 are unprecedented when it comes to the loss of control we experience over Shepard's emotional responses. Lazy Bioware? I dont think so. I think it's a clue. 

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

TacoKush wrote...

If this theory ends up hitting the can. Will you guys still believe in it, as a canon? ( I probably will, unless they come up with a better excuse for space magic. highly doubt it though..)

I dont know if I'd be able to do that, personally. I've never been one to go with "headcanon" unless the author has explicitly decided not to offer a particular piece of lore where I feel there needs to be one. 

So for me, regardless of what I believe now, Bioware's say is going to be the final say in the matter. 

The only things I headcanon are basically filling in things like, I headcanon that Shepard sleeps more than three times in three years. And that he eats and goes to the bathroom. And that Shep and his/her LI have sex more than twice ever.

[Turbo_J]

Sleep beckons. Soon I will - maybe have nightmares and lose my **** over a corporal god child!

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

However, I see the kid burning as a warning. My Shep would never dishonor war casualties by whittling them down to one representative. She also morns after conflict, just right at the beginning. That boy was a red flag on my very first playthrough. Shep had never been put OOC  so badly before. NPCs yes, on occasion, but never Shepard.

I agree completely. Certain parts of ME3 are unprecedented when it comes to the loss of control we experience over Shepard's emotional responses. Lazy Bioware? I dont think so. I think it's a clue. 

*cough* yelling at Joker after Thessia *cough*

Did anyone else think that mission was very emotionally forced? Especially after the genuinely very emotional genophage and Geth/Quarian arcs...