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[gunslinger_ruiz]

Corik wrote...

Was checking the breathing scene and those meteal objects really drive me crazy. I've started to think they are not reaper. I don't know what they are. First I thought about a crashed Mako, or a kodiak. Now I also consider it being parts of a crashed gunship (there is at least 1 during the conduit run).




1: There's a sharp angle there, I think reapers don't use sharp angles like that in their technology (could be wrong)

2: Again, sharp angles. But here seeing it as a whole, it almost looks like the front (left side) of a mako.

3: More sharp angles and it almost looks like it is empty in its interior, like a steel structure of some kind

4: This is one of the big things I don't fully understand. Almost looks like a ventilation tube of some kind, with a grate (if you look carefully you would see it). Could perfectly be the ventilation system of some human vehicle.

Last thoughts. If it's a vehicle it would explain why we see "cables" in the scene. As someone pointed out lots of pages before, they are not only reaper cables, but the same kind of cable we can see in lots of places.

Maybe I'm just seeing things... but I thought I could share this with you.

P.S: I hope the image linking works fine at my first attept EDIT: Of course it didn't. XDDD

Aside from teh texture and color I believe they're Reaper Tech because of how the cables seem to plug into the one in the foreground. Also note they're three of them in total (there's one in the middle that's hard to see), seemingly part of one whole piece.

[Rosewind]

Turbo_J wrote...

So,

Where is the Prothian sphere (for those who got it in ME2)

Anyone? Bueller?

Yeah I noticed that and his Helmet to.....

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Turbo_J wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So,

Where is the Prothian sphere (for those who got it in ME2)

Anyone? Bueller?

Probably the same place they put Shepard's old helmet. . . . maybe they're in a footlocker back on Earth *hinthintBioware give us some DLC*

I figured Shep was inside it, hallucinating. In ME2 I was guessing it was going to clone her or something. Shouldn't touch things you know nothing about... and putting it on the table? It's bigger than the cabin when active. This didn't seem to be of concern maybe?

It's like the wasted potential of the trinket. Even though we get the idea it was Prothian probe, Prothian probe, Reaper probe - or at least I did - it still could have been done better, or maybe expanded on.

It looks just like the Prothean Sphere you can find in ME1, the one with the caveman memory, cept it shrinks down. I speculate the ME2 sphere holds another species' memory, maybe even something pertaining to the Reapers since the Geth or Collectors I forget which were interested in getting it (as per the audiologs you find throughout the levels). But I'm assuming that when a Sphere shrinks it's data is essentially "compressed" or "zipped" and can't be viewed until it can be reactivated.

[BleedingUranium]

Turbo_J wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So,

Where is the Prothian sphere (for those who got it in ME2)

Anyone? Bueller?

Probably the same place they put Shepard's old helmet. . . . maybe they're in a footlocker back on Earth *hinthintBioware give us some DLC*

I figured Shep was inside it, hallucinating. In ME2 I was guessing it was going to clone her or something. Shouldn't touch things you know nothing about... and putting it on the table? It's bigger than the cabin when active. This didn't seem to be of concern maybe?

It's like the wasted potential of the trinket. Even though we get the idea it was Prothian probe, Prothian probe, Reaper probe - or at least I did - it still could have been done better, or maybe expanded on.

Not unlike Eve's Crystal?

Which is a lot like the Light Of Eärendil in LoTR, without the scene where Frodo remembers it... *cough* EC *cough*

[Starbuck8]

Corik wrote...

Was checking the breathing scene and those meteal objects really drive me crazy.

Ah, I know what you mean. I was racking my brain earlier trying to figure out what that weird metal structure is that almost looks reaper. I know people have discussed it before, but I was thinking it looked asari. But couldn't find anything at least from temple of athame that matched. Then i was thinking it looked like it had windows on it but then changed my mind that it doesnt and the middle part is like a wall or whatever. Ok, hard to explain in words. I'm just super curious about what all that stuff is that we can't identify.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Hey guys, whats new?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Corik wrote...

Was checking the breathing scene and those meteal objects really drive me crazy.

Ah, I know what you mean. I was racking my brain earlier trying to figure out what that weird metal structure is that almost looks reaper. I know people have discussed it before, but I was thinking it looked asari. But couldn't find anything at least from temple of athame that matched. Then i was thinking it looked like it had windows on it but then changed my mind that it doesnt and the middle part is like a wall or whatever. Ok, hard to explain in words. I'm just super curious about what all that stuff is that we can't identify.

Been through the game several times trying to find something that looks remotely like those objects. Closest things are the "Reaper Plates" used in the Beam construction and also during hte Rachni Queen level along he walls.

[Corik]

I really think they are from human vehicles. Check the 4th circle. Watch it in Gunslinger's video for more detail. https://skydrive.liv...01745B1703F!108

Number 2, each time i see it, it resembles more the shape of a mako. Argggg.. can't get it out of my mind.

Modifié par Corik, 07 juin 2012 - 08:57 .

[Starbuck8]

Corik wrote...

I really think they are from human vehicles. Check the 4th circle. Watch it in Gunslinger's video for more detail. https://skydrive.liv...01745B1703F!108

Number 2, each time i see it, it resembles more the shape of a mako. Argggg.. can't get it out of my mind.

Lol I know it's like something familiar that you just can't quite identify and so you can't stop thinking about it. The stuff does look reapery and like human tech/vehicles. And it would be the simplest explanation, since it's London. Will be interesting to see if EC reveals more of this scene and we actually see what that stuff is. I imagine a lot of "oooohhhh"s

[HellishFiend]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Hey guys, whats new?

There has been a lot of great discussion over the past dozen or so (maybe even more) pages. It is well worth going back to check them out. You wont be disappointed!

[Starbuck8]

BleedingUranium wrote...
If anyone wants to be, umm, entertained, check this out

http://masseffect.wi...rybody_Shut_Up.

The Milkman wrote...
Seriously, stop saying this is true beyond any shadow of a doubt.ALL of the evidence in favour of the IT is circumstantial.

Lol really? I don't think I've ever seen an ITer say that IT is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. We generally are careful to qualify our statements as speculation, our "proof" as possibilities or clues.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 07 juin 2012 - 09:07 .

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
If anyone wants to be, umm, entertained, check this out

http://masseffect.wi...rybody_Shut_Up.

The Milkman wrote...
Seriously, stop saying this is true beyond any shadow of a doubt.ALL of the evidence in favour of the IT is circumstantial.

Lol really? I don't think I've ever seen an ITer say that IT is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. We generally are careful to qualify our statements as speculation, our "proof" as possibilities or clues.

I, for one, am always extremely careful when choosing my words while discussing evidence. 

More to the point, what creates a stronger case? Circumstantial, symbolic, and contextual evidence? Or angry, slanderous, and irrational opinions regarding the author and publisher? You decide, dear reader. 

[BleedingUranium]

Starbuck8 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
If anyone wants to be, umm, entertained, check this out

http://masseffect.wi...rybody_Shut_Up.

The Milkman wrote...
Seriously, stop saying this is true beyond any shadow of a doubt.ALL of the evidence in favour of the IT is circumstantial.

Lol really? I don't think I've ever seen an ITer say that IT is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. We generally are careful to qualify our statements as speculation, our "proof" as possibilities or clues.

That and he says there's a lot of counter evidence, but I have yet to see something other than "Bioware is lazy/sucks at writing". I mean, I kind of  want to see something, just for the novelty of it

[BleedingUranium]

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 07 juin 2012 - 09:17 .

[HellishFiend]

BleedingUranium wrote...

That and he says there's a lot of counter evidence, but I have yet to see something other than "Bioware is lazy/sucks at writing". I mean, I kind of  want to see something, just for the novelty of it

I dont believe there is anything other than that. Any contrary/counter evidence relies on precedents that can be just as easily dismissed as the weakest piece of IT evidence. It's hypocritical to dismiss weak evidence on the grounds of a different piece of weak evidence. I dont pay an awful lot of attention to hypocrites. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 09:18 .

[HellishFiend]

BleedingUranium wrote...

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

Hmm, cant really conclude from that video whether or not he turns corporeal in the same fashion as he does in the Control ending. Perhaps someone could flycam it to examine it better?

[ivenoidea]

BleedingUranium wrote...

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

i just noticed something else:

In the flashback with anderson he looks kind of dissaproving and turns away. Considering he was shepards "good side" this could be taken as another clue.

[Starbuck8]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
If anyone wants to be, umm, entertained, check this out

http://masseffect.wi...rybody_Shut_Up.

The Milkman wrote...
Seriously, stop saying this is true beyond any shadow of a doubt.ALL of the evidence in favour of the IT is circumstantial.

Lol really? I don't think I've ever seen an ITer say that IT is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. We generally are careful to qualify our statements as speculation, our "proof" as possibilities or clues.

That and he says there's a lot of counter evidence, but I have yet to see something other than "Bioware is lazy/sucks at writing". I mean, I kind of  want to see something, just for the novelty of it

Ugh, I know, sorry if I refuse to believe that BioWare is that bad, and choose to give them the benefit of the doubt until EC is released.

Honestly the only counter-IT I've been able to think of myself would be a few times in the game it felt to me like it was ever-so-slightly foreshadowing the 3-choice ending in a literalist way. Even if it was, still doesn't preclude IT imo.

[Starbuck8]

ivenoidea wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

i just noticed something else:

In the flashback with anderson he looks kind of dissaproving and turns away. Considering he was shepards "good side" this could be taken as another clue.

Huh, Anderson looks different in the synth flashback?

[ivenoidea]

BleedingUranium wrote...

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

i.imgur.com/eCP8S.png

You're right.

Edit: how does one post an image so that is shows in the post?

Edit2: in response to the post below: i was not aware it's always the same. case closed for the anderson thing, it still looks like the starchild materializes for a moment there though.

Modifié par ivenoidea, 07 juin 2012 - 09:25 .

[HellishFiend]

ivenoidea wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

i just noticed something else:

In the flashback with anderson he looks kind of dissaproving and turns away. Considering he was shepards "good side" this could be taken as another clue.

I believe that bit is the same regardless of which option you go with. 

To me, it's just Anderson doing a serious agreement nod. 

[BleedingUranium]

Starbuck8 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
If anyone wants to be, umm, entertained, check this out

http://masseffect.wi...rybody_Shut_Up.

The Milkman wrote...
Seriously, stop saying this is true beyond any shadow of a doubt.ALL of the evidence in favour of the IT is circumstantial.

Lol really? I don't think I've ever seen an ITer say that IT is true beyond a shadow of a doubt. We generally are careful to qualify our statements as speculation, our "proof" as possibilities or clues.

That and he says there's a lot of counter evidence, but I have yet to see something other than "Bioware is lazy/sucks at writing". I mean, I kind of  want to see something, just for the novelty of it

Ugh, I know, sorry if I refuse to believe that BioWare is that bad, and choose to give them the benefit of the doubt until EC is released.

Honestly the only counter-IT I've been able to think of myself would be a few times in the game it felt to me like it was ever-so-slightly foreshadowing the 3-choice ending in a literalist way. Even if it was, still doesn't preclude IT imo.

Well, Vendetta kind of foreshadowed Starbinger, but I don't believe anything Vendetta says, other than Kai Leng is indoctrinated

Mostly because they found a Prothean Beacon which is completely unrelated to a Prothean VI. It was made very clear in ME1 what both of those were and how they worked. They have nothing in common.

Shepard never actually used the Beacon!

[HellishFiend]

ivenoidea wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

You're right.

Edit: how does one post an image so that is shows in the post?

From what I can tell, that is nowhere near the level of opacity, color, and texturing that we see from Starbinger in the Control ending.



Unless we can get a clearer shot from flycam, I'm not sure if we can draw a conclusion from this. 

It's certainly a different manner of vanishing compared to how he does in the the Destroy ending, for example. But what conclusion can we draw from it?

[ivenoidea]

HellishFiend wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

You're right.

Edit: how does one post an image so that is shows in the post?

From what I can tell, that is nowhere near the level of opacity, color, and texturing that we see from Starbinger in the Control ending.



Unless we can get a clearer shot from flycam, I'm not sure if we can draw a conclusion from this. 

It's certainly a different manner of vanishing compared to how he does in the the Destroy ending, for example. But what conclusion can we draw from it?

Well, you can clearly see the blue jeans and the very bright sweater in my shot. I took this off a random youtube vid though, so if someone could get it ingame or possibly flycam there we would know for sure.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

ivenoidea wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears!

i just noticed something else:

In the flashback with anderson he looks kind of dissaproving and turns away. Considering he was shepards "good side" this could be taken as another clue.

I see that more as him nodding and turning away smirking. Not so much in disapproval. The flashback movies don't change so far as I know no matter what ending you pick, so if he was looked so disapproving of synthesis he would also disapprove of Destroy and Control.