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[HellishFiend]

senshi420 wrote...

not what i meant at all Hellish, im very pro IT, im just hoping to find better filmed proof of low ems control. so that when someone hits me with that arguement i can show them something better then the potato phone vid.

Ooh, gotcha. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any other videos of that. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Vox Draco wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
That just lead my mind to think "What if MaleShep romanced FemShep?"

That'd be odd, if anything they'd be twins if they were in the same universe.

If Femshep and maleshep would ever end up in the same universe and make out...uh...I see the universe ready to collapse...or it could lead to the "Philip J. Fry" Paradoxon and create a Mega-Shepard with special brainwaves able to withstand any indoctrination-attempt!

Phew...and brought my comment right back on topic! Though the image of a Fem-Male-Mega-Shep is disturbing

I really don't think they'd randomly make out if they somehow crossed over, not very Commander Shepard-like for either of them , causing a paradox and all. And what I meant by twins is if they existed in the same universe, they'd both still be Shepards, and siblings. Just John and Jane Shepard N7 elites, saviors of the Citadel, destroyers of the Collectors. Hm wonder if both Kaidan and Ashley would be alive, two Shepards split up...but then there's only one Normandy.... Can always make a Mako drop/pickup for them but would be cutting it way too close.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 07 juin 2012 - 10:30 .

[senshi420]

HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

not what i meant at all Hellish, im very pro IT, im just hoping to find better filmed proof of low ems control. so that when someone hits me with that arguement i can show them something better then the potato phone vid.

Ooh, gotcha. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any other videos of that. 

its all good, ive been lurkin here for months, and ya'll take allot of crap sometimes, so being a little gaurded is natural, also, i think it might have helped if I used a few more commas or quotation marks at any rate thanks for responding though

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You're mistaken here... Shepard did not ask Anderson any question of the sort. It was extremely random on Anderson's part. 

shepard asks one time, and when anderson repeats it shepards has forgoten. 

I'm fairly certain that Shepard does not ever ask Anderson where he was born. And when Anderson tells him the second time in the mako, Shepard sounds confused that he would repeat it to him. 

One possibility, Anderson might have forgotten, someone check the scene with the Cerberus doctors on the Derelict Reaper, I think one of them was experiencing memory loss, which also resulted in him sharing memories with someone else.

[Rosewind]

BleedingUranium wrote...
That just lead my mind to think "What if MaleShep romanced FemShep?"

I have seen a picture with Femshep and Maleshep in a scene similar to that of Femshep and Kaidan ME3 romance bit on the couch.....

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rosewind wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
That just lead my mind to think "What if MaleShep romanced FemShep?"

I have seen a picture with Femshep and Maleshep in a scene similar to that of Femshep and Kaidan ME3 romance bit on the couch.....

Did the universe implode o_O?? But now we're getting off topic.

[Rosewind]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
That just lead my mind to think "What if MaleShep romanced FemShep?"

I have seen a picture with Femshep and Maleshep in a scene similar to that of Femshep and Kaidan ME3 romance bit on the couch.....

Did the universe implode o_O?? But now we're getting off topic.

Lol no just some one making a rough drawing lol looks like they were bored was just a pencil sketch.

[Arian Dynas]

CanadianGunshy wrote...

On my first playthrough - when I was presented by the choices, I couldn't decide what to do. Eventually the game ended with a critical mission failure saying "The crucible has been destroyed" and I had to start over again.

Synthesis imo was the worst of the choices, basically sacrificing all sentient life to become "tiny reaper-like beings". Control was very much alike the choice to rewrite the Geth in ME2. And Destroy was genocide, not only to the Reapers - but also to EDI and the Geth.

In ME2 I chose to destroy rather then rewrite. I considered it (ironically) to be the lesser of two evils. In ME3 I found if only the reapers were affected, I would have done the same. However EDI and the Geth were a part of that choice. For some reason I consider controlling the reapers the lesser of two evils then sacrificing a allies that trusted me to do the "right" thing. Thus I was paralyzed with indecision at the final moments of the game.

What I don't follow is how Control = Indoctrination.

If Shepard is choosing it not to control the Reapers, but to save lives (synthetic as they may be) instead. He is essentially rejecting the starchild's (as well as the reapers) reasons.

Maybe someone can clear this up?

Because so far the only reasons I've heard that control is indoctrination is because TIM wanted it and his eyes are blue when he is being evaporated by a blue beam.

You can think of it this way;

Saren wanted Synthesis, he believed he could form a pact between machines and organics, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither, all organics everywhere would be improved and saved by him, "I will save more lives than have ever existed." Sound familiar?

Control was The Illusive Man's own philosophy, he possessed the arrogance to believe he could control a being with a mind beyond anything he would even be capable of comprehending, something so vast as to give even the Geth Consensus a feeling of awe being touched by it.

Synthesis appeals to Shepard's heroism, he falls for the same trap Saren did, trying to be the hero, trying to save everyone, and in the end saving no one, becase he chose to do so by way of the Reaper philosophy. Because that is precisely what it is, accepting that the Reapers are a necessity and that things must be done their way,

Control and Destroy on the other hand are more opposed to one another.

Control is giving in. Control is what trapped The Illusive Man, he belived he could Control his controllers. "You will lose everything you have." The Guardian explicitly tells Shepard this, he will lose everything if he choses Control, he even has it pointed out to him that by choosing Control, he is surrendering his body, to whom or what, the Guardian has no words to say. Control is accepting the idea that the Reapers exist, and that allowing them to continue to exist would benefit you, Shepard is betraying his principles in the name of power, just as The Illusive Man did.

Destroy is standing by a diamond hard core of mental anathema. At the Crucible choice, you aren't summoned there to create anything or Control anyone. You are summoned there to reject the Reapers, to push them out of the gates of your mind. Destroy is the choice that has to be made, even with consequences, because Shepard himself knows that this is a war, and that means that not necessarily everyone will survive. "Victory through Sacrifice" is one of the themes.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 07 juin 2012 - 11:03 .

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


I kinda like what someone said earlier, that yes, Shepard has become a legend blah blah, but that doesn't mean the last thing we just saw Shep do caused him to defeat the reapers. Couple that with "one more story" and that implies there is more to come (DLC, more to the ending... speculation). Still most people dismiss it as an ad from EA to buy DLC lol.

I disagree with that interpretation. We've been promised a "Reapers win" ending, remember? There will be situations where people who get that message go on to eventually lose to the Reapers rather than defeating them. 

A legend doesn't have to live or succeed.

"Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat"

"Shepard has gone down in history as the first man to defeat the Reaper threat to his mind" see the ways you can interpret that? They never specify what threat, threatening to what, or indeed anything other than that it's a threat and has to do with the Reapers.

[Arian Dynas]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

I remember.
I still think that's the biggest hint Bioware has given. In Control/Synthesis you lose IMO.
It would still be kind of cool to have picked either one of those but still be able to break free of Indoc depending on previous choices (Rachni Queen)

Agreed! I not only agree, but I hope so, too, because otherwise my first playthrough ended in failure due to me picking control. 

*hangs head in shame*



Curse my greed!

My first playthrough i picked Destroy, but mainly because of Anderson.
The Rachni Queen managed to stay un-indoctrinated twice. Maybe if you do end up becoming Indoctrinated, the Rachni Queen offers you a way out somehow.

*coughs and waves his script around*

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

I remember.
I still think that's the biggest hint Bioware has given. In Control/Synthesis you lose IMO.
It would still be kind of cool to have picked either one of those but still be able to break free of Indoc depending on previous choices (Rachni Queen)

Agreed! I not only agree, but I hope so, too, because otherwise my first playthrough ended in failure due to me picking control. 

*hangs head in shame*



Curse my greed!

My first playthrough i picked Destroy, but mainly because of Anderson.
The Rachni Queen managed to stay un-indoctrinated twice. Maybe if you do end up becoming Indoctrinated, the Rachni Queen offers you a way out somehow.

*coughs and waves his script around*

Yes but no matter how many times you wave it around Arian it is still just going to be fan-fiction I am sorry but that is true...

[paxxton]

You're kidding! 20 pages in 11 hours! What happened here?

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

I remember.
I still think that's the biggest hint Bioware has given. In Control/Synthesis you lose IMO.
It would still be kind of cool to have picked either one of those but still be able to break free of Indoc depending on previous choices (Rachni Queen)

Agreed! I not only agree, but I hope so, too, because otherwise my first playthrough ended in failure due to me picking control. 

*hangs head in shame*



Curse my greed!

My first playthrough i picked Destroy, but mainly because of Anderson.
The Rachni Queen managed to stay un-indoctrinated twice. Maybe if you do end up becoming Indoctrinated, the Rachni Queen offers you a way out somehow.

*coughs and waves his script around*

Yes but no matter how many times you wave it around Arian it is still just going to be fan-fiction I am sorry but that is true...

Not the point I am making, this is me saying "been discussed before."

[ivenoidea]

paxxton wrote...

You're kidding! 20 pages in 11 hours! What happened here?

It was discussed if there is a building in the breath scene, then it was discussed wether MaleShep of Femshep has the better voice actor, and then we discussed what would happen if they made out.

[Arian Dynas]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Then it appears that my theory may be more correct than I thought and they chose to fold in the proposed Seige of Earth DLC, rather than just making the EC a "more obvious POV on the indoctrination"

[Arian Dynas]

ivenoidea wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're kidding! 20 pages in 11 hours! What happened here?

It was discussed if there is a building in the breath scene, then it was discussed wether MaleShep of Femshep has the better voice actor, and then we discussed what would happen if they made out.

They're both good actors and if you people keep ****ing picking at it it's going to get infected.

[ivenoidea]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Then it appears that my theory may be more correct than I thought and they chose to fold in the proposed Seige of Earth DLC, rather than just making the EC a "more obvious POV on the indoctrination"

If it has a ****load of content i guess they will also rename it. Extended cut kinda sounds like just a little bit of content.

[paxxton]

ivenoidea wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're kidding! 20 pages in 11 hours! What happened here?

It was discussed if there is a building in the breath scene, then it was discussed wether MaleShep of Femshep has the better voice actor, and then we discussed what would happen if they made out.

Thanks for the wrap-up. 

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Thank god! These guys about had me questioning my sanity... First the clock, then this! Dammit.

****g trolls.


wow - sensors f ' i n

that's pretty good.

Hey...who you calling a troll? <_<

[Arian Dynas]

ivenoidea wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Then it appears that my theory may be more correct than I thought and they chose to fold in the proposed Seige of Earth DLC, rather than just making the EC a "more obvious POV on the indoctrination"

If it has a ****load of content i guess they will also rename it. Extended cut kinda sounds like just a little bit of content.

It also sounds spectacularly boring.

[ivenoidea]

paxxton wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're kidding! 20 pages in 11 hours! What happened here?

It was discussed if there is a building in the breath scene, then it was discussed wether MaleShep of Femshep has the better voice actor, and then we discussed what would happen if they made out.

Thanks for the wrap-up. 

There is most likely something i forgot/missed. The thread grows so damn fast.

[Rosewind]

ivenoidea wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're kidding! 20 pages in 11 hours! What happened here?

It was discussed if there is a building in the breath scene, then it was discussed wether MaleShep of Femshep has the better voice actor, and then we discussed what would happen if they made out.

Still looks like illuminated fog to me

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

If anyone wants to be, umm, entertained, check this out

http://masseffect.wi...rybody_Shut_Up.

To that I can only say this... 

Only the Sith deal in absolutes... 

Or, actually, I could also say this...

Ah yes,  "Bioware sucks", we have dismissed that claim. 

Wow, doing what he does is really easy. 

Here's my personal favorite;

You are made of stupid.

[ivenoidea]

Rosewind wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You're kidding! 20 pages in 11 hours! What happened here?

It was discussed if there is a building in the breath scene, then it was discussed wether MaleShep of Femshep has the better voice actor, and then we discussed what would happen if they made out.

Still looks like illuminated fog to me

Exactly what i think to be honest, but i wanted to stay neutral for the recap.

[paxxton]

The Mass Effect Universe fansite has published its survey results. The site is mostly in German but the data analysis is also in English.
http://www.masseffec...se.de/feedback/

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juin 2012 - 12:37 .