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[Lord Luc1fer]

Skip to about 1:12 and watch casey's reaction to the interviewers question, which he kinda avoids...


[EDIT]
No I'm not being serious

Modifié par Lord Luc1fer, 07 juin 2012 - 04:11 .

[D.Sharrah]

bigstig wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The Mass Effect Universe fansite has published its survey results. The site is mostly in German but the data analysis is also in English.
http://www.masseffec...se.de/feedback/

It's awesome to see how many people like the indoctrination theory!

Went to have a look at the site, first thing I see is a blonde hair blue eyed Shepard -> A little on the nose don't you think on a German fansite?

----The above comment is made in jest, please do not take it too seriously

I wanted to review the information from the survey...but background song...every time I hear that song, I just close my eyse and listen...

[Stigweird85]

Turbo_J wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Then it appears that my theory may be more correct than I thought and they chose to fold in the proposed Seige of Earth DLC, rather than just making the EC a "more obvious POV on the indoctrination"

I have to agree with that.

Just for the record, ME3 does end* just not where most would like, but it is an ending... with more 'choice' and outcome than both ME1 and ME2 - ME2, however has much more tangible results... and the 'outcome' of ME3 can't be seen put to use because, well, it's supposed to be an END.

I think the original 'post ending' tie up/expansion was eventually going to be 'sold' (though it may have been free for say 3 months or something), and the negative backlash brought them to their senses. If the current endings had a little more to them and an epilogue, I think they could have gotten away with it... even though the epilogue would have eventually been revealed as fake / part of indoctrination - probably not even considered or thought to elaborate. This could be why the EC will have a price tag on it in 2014.

There is no way they will charge for the EC after this. Personally I wouldn't mind paying for a proper disk based expansion with the EC and extra stuff but after the still ongoing immature(IMHO A lot of people are acting like spoiled children on this - not everyone but some) reaction to the current endings charging for the "ending" would start one hell of a sh!t storm.

That being said I can see the EC being bundled on a disk with other DLC in the future, but it needs to be released first for free. Unless Bioware want to see more backlash.

[Stigweird85]

Turbo_J wrote...

Could you imagine a standoff like ME1 in the Citadel tower where Shep takes on the role of Saren and goes up against either:

The LI and most used quadie
or
LI and closest friend squadie
or
LI and Javik... etc.

or - Wild imagination and impossible as it would be a divergent story arc...

They incapacitate Shep, cryo freeze them and look for a 'cure' after winning the war.

200 years later... ME4

Liara haters would be appalled at that one though, as she's the only one that would be there to revive Shep... again.

The idea of facing against your LI has been mentioned before, usually the concept was your LI will be the one who has to kill you or is the one that allows you to break your indoctrination.

[HellishFiend]

bigstig wrote...

The idea of facing against your LI has been mentioned before, usually the concept was your LI will be the one who has to kill you or is the one that allows you to break your indoctrination.

That could get ugly for me, since I romanced Jack!

"**** YOU, Shepard! We put our trust in you and in the end you sided with the Reapers! *crushes you into a pulp with raw biotic force*"

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

[ivenoidea]

HellishFiend wrote...

bigstig wrote...

The idea of facing against your LI has been mentioned before, usually the concept was your LI will be the one who has to kill you or is the one that allows you to break your indoctrination.

That could get ugly for me, since I romanced Jack!

"**** YOU, Shepard! We put our trust in you and in the end you sided with the Reapers! *crushes you into a pulp with raw biotic force*"

It would make for one hell of a cutscene though.

I don't think Liara could kill Shepard btw.

Modifié par ivenoidea, 07 juin 2012 - 04:22 .

[EpyonX3]

Ravereth wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


I kinda like what someone said earlier, that yes, Shepard has become a legend blah blah, but that doesn't mean the last thing we just saw Shep do caused him to defeat the reapers. Couple that with "one more story" and that implies there is more to come (DLC, more to the ending... speculation). Still most people dismiss it as an ad from EA to buy DLC lol.

I disagree with that interpretation. We've been promised a "Reapers win" ending, remember? There will be situations where people who get that message go on to eventually lose to the Reapers rather than defeating them. 

When was this promised? Also couldn't the "Reapers Win" ending simply be a game over screen with perhaps a short cut scene showing some Repear devestatation? For example, if you wait for the timer to hit 0 on the arrival DLC then you say a short video10-15seconds of various people being burnt/huskified.

I'd like a link to that too. I remember reading the exact opposite, that we don't have a reaper win ending.

CLICK 

That's just being vague as to not spoil the ending. I don't see that as a promise that there will be a Reapers Win ending.

[paxxton]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Skip to about 1:12 and watch casey's reaction to the interviewers question, which he kinda avoids...


[EDIT]
No I'm not being serious

And he answers yup.

[ivenoidea]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


I kinda like what someone said earlier, that yes, Shepard has become a legend blah blah, but that doesn't mean the last thing we just saw Shep do caused him to defeat the reapers. Couple that with "one more story" and that implies there is more to come (DLC, more to the ending... speculation). Still most people dismiss it as an ad from EA to buy DLC lol.

I disagree with that interpretation. We've been promised a "Reapers win" ending, remember? There will be situations where people who get that message go on to eventually lose to the Reapers rather than defeating them. 

When was this promised? Also couldn't the "Reapers Win" ending simply be a game over screen with perhaps a short cut scene showing some Repear devestatation? For example, if you wait for the timer to hit 0 on the arrival DLC then you say a short video10-15seconds of various people being burnt/huskified.

I'd like a link to that too. I remember reading the exact opposite, that we don't have a reaper win ending.

CLICK 

That's just being vague as to not spoil the ending. I don't see that as a promise that there will be a Reapers Win ending.

It would be quite a spoiler if he flat out said "No, the reapers always lose."

[HellishFiend]

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

So is that "all of earth was a hallucination" idea still circling around? If so id like to bring some points up.

1. The cain.
So part of the evidence for the theory is that the cain doesn't shoot straight when shooting the hades cannon.

This is incorrect the cain DOES shoot straight. Pick up the second cain and shoot the banshee, straight shot. Obviously the first cain was their for dramatic effect. There's a difference from symbolism and theatrics.


2. Anderson repeating his birthplace.

Well this wouldn't be the first time a character does this. Remember miranda?

She tells about depating putting a control chip in shepard during her visit to the citadel. Then again on sancuary.why would she do that??? Might as well move the hallucination starting point again.

The tone of your first and last sentences suggests to me that youre biased because you dont want all of Earth to be a hallucination.

If you've been reading my posts, it should be quite clear that I am fully objective when analyzing evidence, and I happen to think that the Cain discrepancy is very compelling as a piece of evidence that something is wrong with that scene.

That is far, far too much of a discrepancy to accept as creative license. And I take the fact that there are two Cains there at all as an illustration that the manner in which the Cain takes down the Hades Cannon is off.

Answer me this: If its done incorrectly for dramatic effect, why have two Cains at all? Why have one which defies lore sitting right next to one that operates according to the codex? The "dramatic effect" explanation would be far more plausible if there were only one Cain. In addition, why not scrap the codex entry again like they did with ME2, since it contradicts the "theatric" version that we see? Or, why not alter the Codex entry to wrap the lore around the Cain as the way we see it? Sorry, it just doesnt add up to creative license, in my opinion. 

If anyone has not offered their opinion on this, please do. I'm interested in hearing more people chime in on it, one way or another. 

There is no full concensus on where the hallucination actually begins and to what extent, so I think this line of thinking deserves a lot of discussion. 

[Lord Luc1fer]

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Skip to about 1:12 and watch casey's reaction to the interviewers question, which he kinda avoids...


[EDIT]
No I'm not being serious

And he answers yup.

Yeah...... Also considering that this interview was posted the day before the release, I'm frankly shocked at the innaccuracies we're getting.. According to hudson, a perfect ending was possible with no multiplayer, and makes some questionable comments about the ending.

[HellishFiend]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Yeah...... Also considering that this interview was posted the day before the release, I'm frankly shocked at the innaccuracies we're getting.. According to hudson, a perfect ending was possible with no multiplayer, and makes some questionable comments about the ending.

Yes, they "contradict the product" several times, and in many ways, after it had already gone gold. I choose to take that as a clue that what we have is not what we'll ultimately end up with when all is said and done. Most people choose to take it as broken promises.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 04:29 .

[EpyonX3]

ivenoidea wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


I kinda like what someone said earlier, that yes, Shepard has become a legend blah blah, but that doesn't mean the last thing we just saw Shep do caused him to defeat the reapers. Couple that with "one more story" and that implies there is more to come (DLC, more to the ending... speculation). Still most people dismiss it as an ad from EA to buy DLC lol.

I disagree with that interpretation. We've been promised a "Reapers win" ending, remember? There will be situations where people who get that message go on to eventually lose to the Reapers rather than defeating them. 

When was this promised? Also couldn't the "Reapers Win" ending simply be a game over screen with perhaps a short cut scene showing some Repear devestatation? For example, if you wait for the timer to hit 0 on the arrival DLC then you say a short video10-15seconds of various people being burnt/huskified.

I'd like a link to that too. I remember reading the exact opposite, that we don't have a reaper win ending.

CLICK 

That's just being vague as to not spoil the ending. I don't see that as a promise that there will be a Reapers Win ending.

It would be quite a spoiler if he flat out said "No, the reapers always lose."

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

[dreamgazer]

I'm getting impatient and a little frustrated. I'm glad the summer movie season's starting tomorrow, so I can have something else current to discuss and dissect for a little while. (laughs)

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Yeah...... Also considering that this interview was posted the day before the release, I'm frankly shocked at the innaccuracies we're getting.. According to hudson, a perfect ending was possible with no multiplayer, and makes some questionable comments about the ending.

Yes, they "contradict the product" several times, and in many ways, after it had already gone gold. I choose to take that as a clue that what we have is not what we'll ultimately end up with when all is said and done. Most people choose to take it as broken promises.

Back in March this was one of my initial ideas to explain wtf just happened. I neither posted such a thing back then, nor did I take myself serious for thinking of sth like this.
Broken promises (to such an extend) also didn't seem likely for a company like BW.

Good think I eventually found out about IT, or I would've gon crazy or just moved on.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

Wow, really? How can you consider that a Reaper victory? In face value context, they're dead, for crying out loud. And if you buy into Starbinger's Reaper propaganda, the chaos will come back anyway. 

Personally, I think you're allowing your disbelief of IT to cloud your objectivity when crafting some of your interpretations. 

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

You're not serious are you? The reapers still lose in that ending.... You're drifting farther all the time Epyon.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

EpyonX3 wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


I kinda like what someone said earlier, that yes, Shepard has become a legend blah blah, but that doesn't mean the last thing we just saw Shep do caused him to defeat the reapers. Couple that with "one more story" and that implies there is more to come (DLC, more to the ending... speculation). Still most people dismiss it as an ad from EA to buy DLC lol.

I disagree with that interpretation. We've been promised a "Reapers win" ending, remember? There will be situations where people who get that message go on to eventually lose to the Reapers rather than defeating them. 

When was this promised? Also couldn't the "Reapers Win" ending simply be a game over screen with perhaps a short cut scene showing some Repear devestatation? For example, if you wait for the timer to hit 0 on the arrival DLC then you say a short video10-15seconds of various people being burnt/huskified.

I'd like a link to that too. I remember reading the exact opposite, that we don't have a reaper win ending.

CLICK 

That's just being vague as to not spoil the ending. I don't see that as a promise that there will be a Reapers Win ending.

It would be quite a spoiler if he flat out said "No, the reapers always lose."

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

Sorry but no. Even if the current cycle is a annihilated in the process, for a race of beeings which has existed for milions of years it is not victory to take a single cycle with them to the grave. It is a clear definitive loss.

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

So is that "all of earth was a hallucination" idea still circling around? If so id like to bring some points up.

1. The cain.
So part of the evidence for the theory is that the cain doesn't shoot straight when shooting the hades cannon.

This is incorrect the cain DOES shoot straight. Pick up the second cain and shoot the banshee, straight shot. Obviously the first cain was their for dramatic effect. There's a difference from symbolism and theatrics.


2. Anderson repeating his birthplace.

Well this wouldn't be the first time a character does this. Remember miranda?

She tells about depating putting a control chip in shepard during her visit to the citadel. Then again on sancuary.why would she do that??? Might as well move the hallucination starting point again.

The tone of your first and last sentences suggests to me that youre biased because you dont want all of Earth to be a hallucination.

If you've been reading my posts, it should be quite clear that I am fully objective when analyzing evidence, and I happen to think that the Cain discrepancy is very compelling as a piece of evidence that something is wrong with that scene.

That is far, far too much of a discrepancy to accept as creative license. And I take the fact that there are two Cains there at all as an illustration that the manner in which the Cain takes down the Hades Cannon is off.

Answer me this: If its done incorrectly for dramatic effect, why have two Cains at all? Why have one which defies lore sitting right next to one that operates according to the codex? The "dramatic effect" explanation would be far more plausible if there were only one Cain. In addition, why not scrap the codex entry again like they did with ME2, since it contradicts the "theatric" version that we see? Or, why not alter the Codex entry to wrap the lore around the Cain as the way we see it? Sorry, it just doesnt add up to creative license, in my opinion. 

Has anyone not fired at the Hades Canon with the first Cain picked up...I would be curious to know if the "bullet" magically zeroes in on the Canon regardless of where you fire it...

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Sorry but no. Even if the current cycle is a annihilated in the process, for a race of beeings which has existed for milions of years it is not victory to take a single cycle with them to the grave. It is a clear definitive loss.

Indeed that should go without saying. In my eyes, Epyon is damaging his credibility as an objective analyst by offering up such.....creative interpretations. 

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Has anyone not fired at the Hades Canon with the first Cain picked up...I would be curious to know if the "bullet" magically zeroes in on the Canon regardless of where you fire it...

I have not tested it out myself yet, but I've read that you can indeed misfire both Cains, triggering the lore-accurate Cain blast instead of the "theatric" attack. Upon wasting the second Cain, a red light supposedly appears and causes a game over, ostensibly indicating that youve been hit by a Reaper laser and killed. I plan on testing it out next time I run through that scene. 

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Sorry but no. Even if the current cycle is a annihilated in the process, for a race of beeings which has existed for milions of years it is not victory to take a single cycle with them to the grave. It is a clear definitive loss.

Indeed that should go without saying. In my eyes, Epyon is damaging his credibility as an objective analyst by offering up such.....creative interpretations. 

His credibility has been damaged for a few weeks now IMHO. He got upset that we didn't accept one of his theories and kinda threw a fit, I can't respect that need for validation.

[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...

His credibility has been damaged for a few weeks now IMHO. He got upset that we didn't accept one of his theories and kinda threw a fit, I can't respect that need for validation.

I did say something along those lines as well, but I continue to give his thoughts a fair shake and will agree or disagree with him accordingly. 

[Lord Luc1fer]

HellishFiend wrote...


Yes, they "contradict the product" several times, and in many ways, after it had already gone gold. I choose to take that as a clue that what we have is not what we'll ultimately end up with when all is said and done. Most people choose to take it as broken promises.

Outside of any integrity issue, I'm pretty sure a smart guy like Casey wouldn't be as down right stupid as to contradict his own product unless he knew more thna we were being told.

[Lord Luc1fer]

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?