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[HellishFiend]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Yes, they "contradict the product" several times, and in many ways, after it had already gone gold. I choose to take that as a clue that what we have is not what we'll ultimately end up with when all is said and done. Most people choose to take it as broken promises.

Outside of any integrity issue, I'm pretty sure a smart guy like Casey wouldn't be as down right stupid as to contradict his own product unless he knew more thna we were being told.

My thoughts exactly. 

[paxxton]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Skip to about 1:12 and watch casey's reaction to the interviewers question, which he kinda avoids...


[EDIT]
No I'm not being serious

And he answers yup.

Yeah...... Also considering that this interview was posted the day before the release, I'm frankly shocked at the innaccuracies we're getting.. According to hudson, a perfect ending was possible with no multiplayer, and makes some questionable comments about the ending.

He said that you can get a good ending (I assume he meant the Shepard's Breath scene) by playing SP only. Is it really possible?

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juin 2012 - 04:49 .

[Lord Luc1fer]

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Skip to about 1:12 and watch casey's reaction to the interviewers question, which he kinda avoids...


[EDIT]
No I'm not being serious

And he answers yup.

Yeah...... Also considering that this interview was posted the day before the release, I'm frankly shocked at the innaccuracies we're getting.. According to hudson, a perfect ending was possible with no multiplayer, and makes some questionable comments about the ending.

He says that you can get a good ending by playing SP only. Is it really possible?

I don't think you can get over 4000 EMS with SP only, unless maybe you trick wreav, gaining both salarian and krogan aid? I know it is possible to get a good amount over 3000 EMS at 50% GR.

[HellishFiend]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real. It is included with the "Final Hours" app if you purchase it. It's a cutscene representation of what happens to your squadmates in a low EMS situation. 

In the cut of the game that we have, that scene is simply implied by the fact that you see your squadmates dead when you wake up after harby's beam. 

Why did they cut it? I think there are a few possibilities.

1) The charge to the beam is not real, and BW didnt want to include such a graphic and heart wrenching death cutscene that isnt even real in the first place. Too jarring. 

2) The charge to the beam is not real, and BW didnt want to include something so powerful that isnt something that can be interpreted as a clue towards IT. 

3) The charge to the beam is real, and either BW felt that the death of your squadmates was more powerful if you just wake up and see them dead, or that the cutscene disrupted the dramatic flow of the charge. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 04:50 .

[Turbo_J]

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

So is that "all of earth was a hallucination" idea still circling around? If so id like to bring some points up.

1. The cain.
So part of the evidence for the theory is that the cain doesn't shoot straight when shooting the hades cannon.

This is incorrect the cain DOES shoot straight. Pick up the second cain and shoot the banshee, straight shot. Obviously the first cain was their for dramatic effect. There's a difference from symbolism and theatrics.


2. Anderson repeating his birthplace.

Well this wouldn't be the first time a character does this. Remember miranda?

She tells about depating putting a control chip in shepard during her visit to the citadel. Then again on sancuary.why would she do that??? Might as well move the hallucination starting point again.

The tone of your first and last sentences suggests to me that youre biased because you dont want all of Earth to be a hallucination.

If you've been reading my posts, it should be quite clear that I am fully objective when analyzing evidence, and I happen to think that the Cain discrepancy is very compelling as a piece of evidence that something is wrong with that scene.

That is far, far too much of a discrepancy to accept as creative license. And I take the fact that there are two Cains there at all as an illustration that the manner in which the Cain takes down the Hades Cannon is off.

Answer me this: If its done incorrectly for dramatic effect, why have two Cains at all? Why have one which defies lore sitting right next to one that operates according to the codex? The "dramatic effect" explanation would be far more plausible if there were only one Cain. In addition, why not scrap the codex entry again like they did with ME2, since it contradicts the "theatric" version that we see? Or, why not alter the Codex entry to wrap the lore around the Cain as the way we see it? Sorry, it just doesnt add up to creative license, in my opinion. 

Has anyone not fired at the Hades Canon with the first Cain picked up...I would be curious to know if the "bullet" magically zeroes in on the Canon regardless of where you fire it...

IIRC, it homes in but misses. I got bumped by a squadi and fired it off to the left.

Second one used it's guided majik to hit the target.

[Stigweird85]

I was thinking recently and I'm not sure if this has been answered already but:

With the Action Mode turned on in Mass Effect 3(Where the game makes the decisions for you, what happens at the Starchild? Does the player still make this decision or does the game pick one?
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Edit for poor grammer, originally I had two points but I've drawn a mental blank on the 2nd one

Modifié par bigstig, 07 juin 2012 - 05:04 .

[HellishFiend]

bigstig wrote...

I was thinking recently and I'm not sure if these have been answered already but:

With the Action Mode turned on in Mass Effect 3(Where the game makes the decisions for you, what happens at the Starchild? Does the player still make this decision or does the game pick one?

Good question. I'd guess that you still have to make that particular choice, since it involves walking. Would be nice to know the answer, though. 

[Turbo_J]

ivenoidea wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

bigstig wrote...

The idea of facing against your LI has been mentioned before, usually the concept was your LI will be the one who has to kill you or is the one that allows you to break your indoctrination.

That could get ugly for me, since I romanced Jack!

"**** YOU, Shepard! We put our trust in you and in the end you sided with the Reapers! *crushes you into a pulp with raw biotic force*"

It would make for one hell of a cutscene though.

I don't think Liara could kill Shepard btw.

Liara killed her mother. I'm sure she'll do what needs to be done. I'd hope for the save too, as she is also my LI, but once the brain has been altered by indoctrination, there is no coming back from it. It's permanent unless a fix/cure is developed in the near ME future.

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real. It is included with the "Final Hours" app if you purchase it. It's a cutscene representation of what happens to your squadmates in a low EMS situation. 

In the cut of the game that we have, that scene is simply implied by the fact that you see your squadmates dead when you wake up after harby's beam. 

Why did they cut it? I think there are a few possibilities.

1) The charge to the beam is not real, and BW didnt want to include such a graphic and heart wrenching death cutscene that isnt even real in the first place. Too jarring. 

2) The charge to the beam is not real, and BW didnt want to include something so powerful that isnt something that can be interpreted as a clue towards IT. 

3) The charge to the beam is real, and either BW felt that the death of your squadmates was more powerful if you just wake up and see them dead, or that the cutscene disrupted the dramatic flow of the charge. 

OR
The charge to the beam is not real, and BW didn't want to include a scene that would render the Normandy crash less ambiguous.
Because if you see the squadmates that just got hit by the same thing that hits Shepard exiting Normandy in clean uniforms, whereas Shepard's isn't, it would seem more like a dream. Thus causing less speculations.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 07 juin 2012 - 05:01 .

[dreamgazer]

Turbo_J wrote...

Liara killed her mother. I'm sure she'll do what needs to be done. I'd hope for the save too, as she is also my LI, but once the brain has been altered by indoctrination, there is no coming back from it. It's permanent unless a fix/cure is developed in the near ME future.

Or unless Liara ninja-prepared Shepard for the parameters of an indoctrination attempt during the "gift" sequence, based on the mutual experience with her mother and given Liara's knowledge of Shepard's strong will.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 juin 2012 - 05:01 .

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

Wow, really? How can you consider that a Reaper victory? In face value context, they're dead, for crying out loud. And if you buy into Starbinger's Reaper propaganda, the chaos will come back anyway. 

Personally, I think you're allowing your disbelief of IT to cloud your objectivity when crafting some of your interpretations. 

It's a terrible possibility yes. But if you take everything else about the ending literally, is that realy that far off?

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

Liara killed her mother. I'm sure she'll do what needs to be done. I'd hope for the save too, as she is also my LI, but once the brain has been altered by indoctrination, there is no coming back from it. It's permanent unless a fix/cure is developed in the near ME future.

I think it's possible that the Zhu's Hope colonists being able to resist indoctrination due to their psychic mental connection, when combined with the fact that the Rachni Queen's powerful psychic mental abilities allow it to be immune to indoctrination, points towards a conclusion that breaking indoctrination is possible using psychic mental powers and connections.

Not sure if psychic is the correct word there, but hopefully everyone gets what I mean. 

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

You're not serious are you? The reapers still lose in that ending.... You're drifting farther all the time Epyon.

Hang on a sec. Let me clarify that this is just a possibility that Bioware may have thought about, considering how odd the endings were at face value to begin with.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's a terrible possibility yes. But if you take everything else about the ending literally, is that realy that far off?

Yes, its so far off that I dont see how anyone could believe it.

Your "interpretation" implies that the Reapers ultimate goal is to eliminate the current cycle at any cost. Thus eliminating the current cycle is a victory regardless of whether or not the Reapers die.

The problem is that it would be crazy, absolutely bonkers, to think that the Reaper's goal is to eliminate the current cycle, even if it costs them their lives. 

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

Wow, really? How can you consider that a Reaper victory? In face value context, they're dead, for crying out loud. And if you buy into Starbinger's Reaper propaganda, the chaos will come back anyway. 

Personally, I think you're allowing your disbelief of IT to cloud your objectivity when crafting some of your interpretations. 

It's a terrible possibility yes. But if you take everything else about the ending literally, is that realy that far off?

If humans are vaporized on Earth so are all other organic forms of life.

[Turbo_J]

dreamgazer wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Liara killed her mother. I'm sure she'll do what needs to be done. I'd hope for the save too, as she is also my LI, but once the brain has been altered by indoctrination, there is no coming back from it. It's permanent unless a fix/cure is developed in the near ME future.

Or unless Liara ninja-prepared Shepard for the parameters of an indoctrination attempt during the "gift" sequence, based on the mutual experience with her mother and given Liara's knowledge of Shepard's strong will.

Falls out of the realm of lore, but I guess it could be done kind of... Still a stretch. It could be a way to save control and synth victims.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 07 juin 2012 - 05:05 .

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...


OR
The charge to the beam is not real, and BW didn't want to include a scene that would render the Normandy crash less ambiguous.
Because if you see the squadmates that just got hit by the same thing that hits Shepard exiting Normandy in clean uniforms, whereas Shepard's isn't, it would seem more like a dream. Thus causing less speculations.

I thought of that, but dismissed the possibility, since in that same low-EMS situation, you dont see any crewmates at all during the Normandy Crash scene. Just Joker. So that particular scene isnt affected regardless of that deleted scene. 

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

You're not serious are you? The reapers still lose in that ending.... You're drifting farther all the time Epyon.

Hang on a sec. Let me clarify that this is just a possibility that Bioware may have thought about, considering how odd the endings were at face value to begin with.

No, Bioware didn't think that all reapers dead but the Earth scorched was victory for the reapers. That's like saying ALL organics dead but we took out Harbinger is a win for the Organics.

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Exactly.

Also, fro a literal stand point, reapers can win if you have low EMS destroy. Earth is destroyed and it may actually happen to other planets as well. So reapers win even though they get destroyed.

Wow, really? How can you consider that a Reaper victory? In face value context, they're dead, for crying out loud. And if you buy into Starbinger's Reaper propaganda, the chaos will come back anyway. 

Personally, I think you're allowing your disbelief of IT to cloud your objectivity when crafting some of your interpretations. 

It's a terrible possibility yes. But if you take everything else about the ending literally, is that realy that far off?

If humans are vaporized on Earth so are all other organic forms of life.

Yep, and the reapers' goal is to preserve some of that organic life, so it's a loss for the reapers no matter how you look at it.

Modifié par balance5050, 07 juin 2012 - 05:08 .

[Turbo_J]

Reapers don't destroy planets. They destroy populations.

A farmer is not going to render his field useless by harvesting with a nuke.

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Has anyone not fired at the Hades Canon with the first Cain picked up...I would be curious to know if the "bullet" magically zeroes in on the Canon regardless of where you fire it...

I have not tested it out myself yet, but I've read that you can indeed misfire both Cains, triggering the lore-accurate Cain blast instead of the "theatric" attack. Upon wasting the second Cain, a red light supposedly appears and causes a game over, ostensibly indicating that youve been hit by a Reaper laser and killed. I plan on testing it out next time I run through that scene. 

Are you on console or pc? Regardless video of this "test" would be interesting...

[Stigweird85]

HellishFiend wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I was thinking recently and I'm not sure if these have been answered already but:

With the Action Mode turned on in Mass Effect 3(Where the game makes the decisions for you, what happens at the Starchild? Does the player still make this decision or does the game pick one?

Good question. I'd guess that you still have to make that particular choice, since it involves walking. Would be nice to know the answer, though. 

I was looking for the original quote about it, but I recall something like -> Action mode takes makes all the decisions for you so you can focus on the combat. Which would make be believe that Action mode is essentially cannon mode, but then again as you say. The final decision isn't dialogue based so it shouldn't have that much of an effect

Modifié par bigstig, 07 juin 2012 - 05:09 .

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's a terrible possibility yes. But if you take everything else about the ending literally, is that realy that far off?

Yes, its so far off that I dont see how anyone could believe it.

Your "interpretation" implies that the Reapers ultimate goal is to eliminate the current cycle at any cost. Thus eliminating the current cycle is a victory regardless of whether or not the Reapers die.

The problem is that it would be crazy, absolutely bonkers, to think that the Reaper's goal is to eliminate the current cycle, even if it costs them their lives. 

Hmm...Ok I can agree with that.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's a terrible possibility yes. But if you take everything else about the ending literally, is that realy that far off?

If humans are vaporized on Earth so are all other organic forms of life.

The point is that there is currently, nor will there ever be any "Reapers win" ending unless you believe IT is true. Even in the worst, most miserable scenario, the Reapers can not achieve their goals and win in the face value context. Even synthesis is not a reaper victory; it's just a compromise.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 05:09 .

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yes, its so far off that I dont see how anyone could believe it.

Your "interpretation" implies that the Reapers ultimate goal is to eliminate the current cycle at any cost. Thus eliminating the current cycle is a victory regardless of whether or not the Reapers die.

The problem is that it would be crazy, absolutely bonkers, to think that the Reaper's goal is to eliminate the current cycle, even if it costs them their lives. 

Hmm...Ok I can agree with that.

Thank you.. Your credibility remains to the extent that I can continue to respect your opinions.... for now...