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[EpyonX3]

I feel like the crazy old man in the corner shouting out random stuff that people can't stand. And every once in a while I say something that people like or find funny.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yes, its so far off that I dont see how anyone could believe it.

Your "interpretation" implies that the Reapers ultimate goal is to eliminate the current cycle at any cost. Thus eliminating the current cycle is a victory regardless of whether or not the Reapers die.

The problem is that it would be crazy, absolutely bonkers, to think that the Reaper's goal is to eliminate the current cycle, even if it costs them their lives. 

Hmm...Ok I can agree with that.

Thank you.. Your credibility remains to the extent that I can continue to respect your opinions.... for now... 

I'm watching you....

[D.Sharrah]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Skip to about 1:12 and watch casey's reaction to the interviewers question, which he kinda avoids...


[EDIT]
No I'm not being serious

And he answers yup.

Yeah...... Also considering that this interview was posted the day before the release, I'm frankly shocked at the innaccuracies we're getting.. According to hudson, a perfect ending was possible with no multiplayer, and makes some questionable comments about the ending.

He says that you can get a good ending by playing SP only. Is it really possible?

I don't think you can get over 4000 EMS with SP only, unless maybe you trick wreav, gaining both salarian and krogan aid? I know it is possible to get a good amount over 3000 EMS at 50% GR.

I think the highest TMS I have been able to get has been like 7100-7200...you would need 8000...as we sit right now its not possible w/o raising GR though MP or datapad.

[dreamgazer]

Turbo_J wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Liara killed her mother. I'm sure she'll do what needs to be done. I'd hope for the save too, as she is also my LI, but once the brain has been altered by indoctrination, there is no coming back from it. It's permanent unless a fix/cure is developed in the near ME future.

Or unless Liara ninja-prepared Shepard for the parameters of an indoctrination attempt during the "gift" sequence, based on the mutual experience with her mother and given Liara's knowledge of Shepard's strong will.

Falls out of the realm of lore, but I guess it could be done kind of... Still a stretch. It could be a way to save control and synth victims.

A little, yeah, but we're working with a few unique parameters that outline Shepard as a unique case: a) Benezia knew how to corner a portion of her mentality off to Saren's influence, something that Liara could have had a few years to research and master; Shepard's been established as someone who can weather mental "manipulation", given how she could withstand Shiala's mental meddling after the Thorian's death; and c) Shepard's been able to carry the Prothean visions in his/her mind all along. 

[HellishFiend]

bigstig wrote...

I was looking for the original quote about it, but I recall something like -> Action mode takes makes all the decisions for you so you can focus on the combat. Which would make be believe that Action mode is essentially cannon mode, but then again as you say. The final decision isn't dialogue based so it shouldn't have that much of an effect

Bioware has stated that there is no official canon regarding any player-made choices in the games. Even if you let the game pick for you, there is still no canon outcome from any given player-choice situation in ME3.

I can see how one would consider it canon, since the devs picked that choice for action mode, but its moot since those choices will never be represented as canon in any future content. 

[D.Sharrah]

Turbo_J wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

bigstig wrote...

The idea of facing against your LI has been mentioned before, usually the concept was your LI will be the one who has to kill you or is the one that allows you to break your indoctrination.

That could get ugly for me, since I romanced Jack!

"**** YOU, Shepard! We put our trust in you and in the end you sided with the Reapers! *crushes you into a pulp with raw biotic force*"

It would make for one hell of a cutscene though.

I don't think Liara could kill Shepard btw.

Liara killed her mother. I'm sure she'll do what needs to be done. I'd hope for the save too, as she is also my LI, but once the brain has been altered by indoctrination, there is no coming back from it. It's permanent unless a fix/cure is developed in the near ME future.

Easy...to find the cure you have to do one simlpe thing...kill the Reapers.

[DJBare]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

Modifié par DJBare, 07 juin 2012 - 05:15 .

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Are you on console or pc? Regardless video of this "test" would be interesting...

Console, unfortunately. It makes investigating things much more of a pain, and recording and posting footage is impractical. Easier to focus my efforts on speculating and restrict my digging efforts to the material already posted online. 

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

I feel like the crazy old man in the corner shouting out random stuff that people can't stand. And every once in a while I say something that people like or find funny.

That's how I view you as well.

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Are you on console or pc? Regardless video of this "test" would be interesting...

Console, unfortunately. It makes investigating things much more of a pain, and recording and posting footage is impractical. Easier to focus my efforts on speculating and restrict my digging efforts to the material already posted online. 

That's what I thought...but to be honest its hard to keep track of everything that is discussed on this thread, w/o remembering what everyone plays on...


Edit:  Perhaps one of our PC compatriots here, could also do the "test" and post a video...hint, hint, wink, wink.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 07 juin 2012 - 05:27 .

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

We've uncovered two very interesting topics over the last few days.

Symbolic evidence regarding Starbinger in the control ending (he becomes corporeal for a moment)

And more evidence that all or most London is affected by indoctrination, or is a full-on hallucination. 

That second one is huge since it offers so much wiggle room for interpretation. Hence all the discussion. 

[DJBare]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I feel like the crazy old man in the corner shouting out random stuff that people can't stand. And every once in a while I say something that people like or find funny.

That's how I view you as well.

We're all crazy here, there is a real world outside these forum's and we spend our time discussing the theory of indoctrination upon Shepard in a fictional universe.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

We're all crazy here, there is a real world outside these forum's and we spend our time discussing the theory of indoctrination upon Shepard in a fictional universe.

It's literary analysis. What's crazy about that? People make careers out of it, for crying out loud.... For a great many others, it is a hobby. 

I happen to enjoy both literary analysis AND video gaming. So this is a natural habitat for me. 

If there were a real-world place to meet and discuss this subject, I would be there too.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 07 juin 2012 - 05:21 .

[Makrys]

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

Am I the only one that thinks this was possibly deleted because it would have made the ending TOO obvious as a dream? I mean, if you clearly see your teammates killed by Harby, and then later see them step out of the beam, sirens would be going off everywhere. I wonder if they originally intended this as a clue, and then deemed it too obvious, so removed it. Curious.

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

We've uncovered two very interesting topics over the last few days.

Symbolic evidence regarding Starbinger in the control ending (he becomes corporeal for a moment)

And more evidence that all or most London is affected by indoctrination, or is a full-on hallucination. 

That second one is huge since it offers so much wiggle room for interpretation. Hence all the discussion. 

I never heard about either of these two topics. Could you summarize them? Sounds interesting.

Modifié par Makrys, 07 juin 2012 - 05:22 .

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

Am I the only one that thinks this was possibly deleted because it would have made the ending TOO obvious as a dream? I mean, if you clearly see your teammates killed by Harby, and then later see them step out of the beam, sirens would be going off everywhere. I wonder if they originally intended this as a clue, and then deemed it too obvious, so removed it. Curious.

As I said in an earlier post, that scenario is not possible. If you see your squadmates dead by the beam, you get the Normandy Crash where noone steps out of the Normandy. The door just opens and it cuts to black. 

People have stated that it is possible to see dead crewmates and still get a full Normandy Crash scene, but I dont believe it since there is no proof. 

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I feel like the crazy old man in the corner shouting out random stuff that people can't stand. And every once in a while I say something that people like or find funny.

That's how I view you as well.

You young whipper snappers better get off my lawn!

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

We're all crazy here, there is a real world outside these forum's and we spend our time discussing the theory of indoctrination upon Shepard in a fictional universe.

It's literary analysis. What's crazy about that? People make careers out of it, for crying out loud.... For a great many others, it is a hobby. 

I happen to enjoy both literary analysis AND video gaming. So this is a natural habitat for me. 

Calm down Hellish, perhaps I should have used a smiley, but I prefer to avoid their use, I very much enjoy speculation and clue finding, as for literary analysis I leave that upto those in know, I'm no writer, I just know what I enjoy.

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

Am I the only one that thinks this was possibly deleted because it would have made the ending TOO obvious as a dream? I mean, if you clearly see your teammates killed by Harby, and then later see them step out of the beam, sirens would be going off everywhere. I wonder if they originally intended this as a clue, and then deemed it too obvious, so removed it. Curious.

As I said in an earlier post, that scenario is not possible. If you see your squadmates dead by the beam, you get the Normandy Crash where noone steps out of the Normandy. The door just opens and it cuts to black. 

People have stated that it is possible to see dead crewmates and still get a full Normandy Crash scene, but I dont believe it since there is no proof. 

Well, I have seen it happen. And people have been talking about it recently. So I fully believe it is possible. And somewhat likely why the scene was cut.

[paxxton]

Makrys wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

Am I the only one that thinks this was possibly deleted because it would have made the ending TOO obvious as a dream? I mean, if you clearly see your teammates killed by Harby, and then later see them step out of the beam, sirens would be going off everywhere. I wonder if they originally intended this as a clue, and then deemed it too obvious, so removed it. Curious.

They aren't torn into pieces, they just jump away. Maybe they escaped.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juin 2012 - 05:25 .

[Makrys]

paxxton wrote...

Makrys wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

Am I the only one that thinks this was possibly deleted because it would have made the ending TOO obvious as a dream? I mean, if you clearly see your teammates killed by Harby, and then later see them step out of the beam, sirens would be going off everywhere. I wonder if they originally intended this as a clue, and then deemed it too obvious, so removed it. Curious.

They aren't torn into pieces, they just jump away. Maybe they escaped.

It specifically says they die. And if you don't have a high enough ems, your sqaudmates will die. This could have simply been a scene they were going to use to show that, then cut it for some reason.

[dreamgazer]

Makrys wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

Am I the only one that thinks this was possibly deleted because it would have made the ending TOO obvious as a dream? I mean, if you clearly see your teammates killed by Harby, and then later see them step out of the beam, sirens would be going off everywhere. I wonder if they originally intended this as a clue, and then deemed it too obvious, so removed it. Curious.

No, you're not alone in that at all.  

Seeing all your loved ones dying around you---no matter which ones you took with you on the storm to the conduit---would have been a pretty jarring, hyper-surreal element that has been indicative of dreams sequences in storytelling for a long time.  Remember, it wouldn't just be Garrus and Liara, more than likely; it'd be the two whom you took with you.  

Effectively, you'd be choosing who would die with every subsequent play-through.  But even as a finite cutscene that's independent from your squad choice, it's effectively killing off arguably the two heaviest hitters in the Mass Effect universe.  Uh ...

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 juin 2012 - 05:31 .

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

We've uncovered two very interesting topics over the last few days.

Symbolic evidence regarding Starbinger in the control ending (he becomes corporeal for a moment)

And more evidence that all or most London is affected by indoctrination, or is a full-on hallucination. 

That second one is huge since it offers so much wiggle room for interpretation. Hence all the discussion. 

I never heard about either of these two things. Could you summarize them? Sounds interesting.

I thought you were around for both? Maybe mistaken. Here is the find regarding corporeal starbinger:



To summarize, he becomes corporeal for a moment when the Control shockwave hits him. Considering we have a gun that, when shockwaved, switches to another gun that symbolizes breaking indoctrination (Saren, TIM), I think we can safely conclude that this is symbolic as well.

For London, we began discussing a pattern in the inconsistency of the weapons you use to take down the 2 Reapers. For the Hades Cannon, we use a Cain that is not a Cain, sitting next to another Cain that is a Cain. Make sense?  For the Beam Reaper, we use "Thanix Missiles", which is a contradiction in terms. The codex support both things as inconsistencies, since the codex entry for the Cain blatantly reveals the Hades Cannon Reaper situation as impossible anti-lore, and "Thanix Missiles" has no entry at all. It has also been pointed out that many of the combat situations in London are rehashes of prior engagements in ME1 and 2. 

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...
Calm down Hellish, perhaps I should have used a smiley, but I prefer to avoid their use, I very much enjoy speculation and clue finding, as for literary analysis I leave that upto those in know, I'm no writer, I just know what I enjoy.

A smiley would have helped, yes, but thanks for clarifying. 

[Unschuld]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You're mistaken here... Shepard did not ask Anderson any question of the sort. It was extremely random on Anderson's part.

shepard asks one time, and when anderson repeats it shepards has forgoten.

I'm fairly certain that Shepard does not ever ask Anderson where he was born. And when Anderson tells him the second time in the mako, Shepard sounds confused that he would repeat it to him.

One possibility, Anderson might have forgotten, someone check the scene with the Cerberus doctors on the Derelict Reaper, I think one of them was experiencing memory loss, which also resulted in him sharing memories with someone else.

DUDE!!!

No, I thought of something. Maybe someone already brought it up while I was asleep/away. Those scientists start sharing memories inside the derelict reaper and get confused. What if Anderson's "I was born in London" line is a result of him sharing memories with Coates or any of the other millions of people living there?