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[Makrys]

Rifneno wrote...

Hey guys. Been preoccupied with MP lately. Anything major found in the past week(ish)?

Also, I had a thought. This is kind of reaching but if it is correct... epic symbolism/subtle reference. Remember how some of us were theorizing that perhaps Shepard never woke up from the third dream and is still on the Normandy before Cronos Station?

It would be safe to say that if Shepard defeats indoctrination, it would be the turning point in the most important war of all time. In real life, where was the battle that is generally called the turning point of the most important war of real history? ... Normandy.

An interesting thought, but that's probably reaching a bit too far.

Modifié par Makrys, 07 juin 2012 - 05:42 .

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

 I also find it quite weird that Shepard is the only one to survive the beam. Does anyone else find that odd? Also, how come when you get up from the beam, you see NO ONE? Where are your squadmates? Where is Anderson? Did your squadmates not follow you down? Why the hell wouldn't they, and if they did, where are they?

When you pick it apart, the scene where he wakes up after the beam makes NO sense. He was surrounded by many people and he just happened to be only survivor? Come on. This is almost direct proof that its a hallucination. Harby wanted Shepard. In his own mind. Alone. 

I just thought of this, and it really makes no sense why Shepard is the only survivor. And you turn around and see no sign of Anderson or your squadmates. Also, you can't see but maybe 50 feet in front of you. The far distance is clouded, blurry. Definitely seems 'dreamy' to me.

There are three major categories of evidence for IT: Symbolic evidence, Contextual inconsistency evidence, and Contradictory precedent evidence. 

The point you raise falls into both of the latter categories, making it one of the stronger pieces of evidence pointing towards the theory that Harbinger wants Shepard alive. 

But if the IT is true, wouldn't Shep wake up to find his squadmates and Anderson still alive? I think so.

[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...

 GUYZ! I FOUND FOOTAGE FROM THE UPCOMING EC!!!!





"I'm a biotic god." 

Wow. I would like to shake the hand of the individual that put that together. *saves*

[dreamgazer]

paxxton wrote...

OK, so who liked the Mass Effect 3 ending the first time you saw it? I did.

I did too.  I recognized its flaws in execution, but I actually appreciated the structure, psychology, and thought-provocation even upon my first round with the material. 

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

There are three major categories of evidence for IT: Symbolic evidence, Contextual inconsistency evidence, and Contradictory precedent evidence. 

The point you raise falls into both of the latter categories, making it one of the stronger pieces of evidence pointing towards the theory that Harbinger wants Shepard alive. 

But if the IT is true, wouldn't Shep wake up to find his squadmates and Anderson still alive? I think so.

Yes, and that is another light piece of evidence that potentially points toward the charge to the beam not being real. 

[llbountyhunter]

balance5050 wrote...

 GUYZ! I FOUND FOOTAGE FROM THE UPCOMING EC!!!!





"I'm a biotic god." 

LOL... wait... what if the end was just shepard high on a major dose of red sand?? 

[Sajuro]

Rifneno wrote...

Hey guys. Been preoccupied with MP lately. Anything major found in the past week(ish)?

Also, I had a thought. This is kind of reaching but if it is correct... epic symbolism/subtle reference. Remember how some of us were theorizing that perhaps Shepard never woke up from the third dream and is still on the Normandy before Cronos Station?

It would be safe to say that if Shepard defeats indoctrination, it would be the turning point in the most important war of all time. In real life, where was the battle that is generally called the turning point of the most important war of real history? ... Normandy.

If that was true, then that would be why you are kicked back to the assault on Cronos Station and could explain all of the inconsistencies. But then why would there be a breathe scene? Wouldn't it be in Shep's cabin or the med bay?
Also a discussion for the clocktower, if the indoctrination dream is like Inception, then wouldn't time pass faster for Shepard while he is hallucinating/indocrtinated?

[paxxton]

llbountyhunter wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OK, so who liked the Mass Effect 3 ending the first time you saw it? I did.

I dont think you were supposed to like it....

LOL. Why not? For me it made a lot of sense even though I had a feeling that something wasn't right.

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

It would be safe to say that if Shepard defeats indoctrination, it would be the turning point in the most important war of all time. In real life, where was the battle that is generally called the turning point of the most important war of real history? ... Normandy.

An interesting thought, but that's probably reaching a bit too far.

For Bioware? Hell no, that is not reaching too far. Could it be a coincidence? Sure. But if true? It's just about conclusive proof that ME3's "Player Indoctrination ending" was planned from the very start. 

[dreamgazer]

Makrys wrote...

 I also find it quite weird that Shepard is the only one to survive the beam. Does anyone else find that odd? Also, how come when you get up from the beam, you see NO ONE? Where are your squadmates? Where is Anderson? Did your squadmates not follow you down? Why the hell wouldn't they, and if they did, where are they?

Add in the fact that Shepard point-blank dies on Rannoch whenever s/he gets hit with a Reaper beam, and you got a recipe for WTF casserole if there ever was one. 

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

 GUYZ! I FOUND FOOTAGE FROM THE UPCOMING EC!!!!





"I'm a biotic god." 

[Lord Luc1fer]

Makrys wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, I was trawling YT and found this. Not saying it proves anything, not even sure if it's real, fake or has been posted already, but what the hell is this meant to be?

It's real, the deleted scene is in the Final hours app.

Edit, good grief this thread has a full head of steam!, did I miss something?

Am I the only one that thinks this was possibly deleted because it would have made the ending TOO obvious as a dream? I mean, if you clearly see your teammates killed by Harby, and then later see them step out of the beam, sirens would be going off everywhere. I wonder if they originally intended this as a clue, and then deemed it too obvious, so removed it. Curious.

On the contrary, I believe that the cutting of this scene makes the beam walk more dream like - there's the potential there that two characters who have been with you through all three games to be unceremoniously dumped onto the landscape as corpses without so much as a dramatic death scene - this is completely out of sync with what bioware do!

[Fingertrip]

What I don't understand is why people say that your LI and most used squadie is the one that comes out of the Normandy during the crash. THAT WAS NEVER the case for me. I use Liara and Garrus primarily through-out. Hell, I even romanced Ashley during the game, and I did not get get her to step out of the Normandy, and I brought her both with and not in the final run.

Always Javik and Liara going out. ALWAYS. I obtained roughly 8K EMS (All DLC's from ME1-ME3) and 100% completetion.)

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

Makrys wrote...

 I also find it quite weird that Shepard is the only one to survive the beam. Does anyone else find that odd? Also, how come when you get up from the beam, you see NO ONE? Where are your squadmates? Where is Anderson? Did your squadmates not follow you down? Why the hell wouldn't they, and if they did, where are they?

Add in the fact that Shepard point-blank dies on Rannoch whenever s/he gets hit with a Reaper beam, and you got a recipe for WTF casserole if there ever was one. 

That is exactly why "Contradictory precedents" gets its own evidence category, at least in my book. There are a lot of instances where precedents suggest that things that happen in the ending are anti-lore. 

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

snip...

Also...there is a similar instance in the synthesis ending...but its not as easy to see (either in vid or still)...I believe we have been waiting for someone to flycam the scene...I would, but alas I am on 360.   Not sure exactly what page it is...but there is a vid of it somewhere, and I believe the shift is around the 6:18 mark of that vid.  I'll see if I can find the link and post it in an edit...

Edit:  Back on page 546, Brought to us by Bleeding Uranium...

"AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending! At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a second (like in Control), and then disappears! "

Wanted to repost it...since it looked like it got missed...and this time you won't have to come back for the edit.

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

It would be safe to say that if Shepard defeats indoctrination, it would be the turning point in the most important war of all time. In real life, where was the battle that is generally called the turning point of the most important war of real history? ... Normandy.

An interesting thought, but that's probably reaching a bit too far.

For Bioware? Hell no, that is not reaching too far. Could it be a coincidence? Sure. But if true? It's just about conclusive proof that ME3's "Player Indoctrination ending" was planned from the very start. 

But it wasn't planned from the very start. The ME3 script went through numerous rewrites that had nothing to do with indoctrination.

[HellishFiend]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

On the contrary, I believe that the cutting of this scene makes the beam walk more dream like - there's the potential there that two characters who have been with you through all three games to be unceremoniously dumped onto the landscape as corpses without so much as a dramatic death scene - this is completely out of sync with what bioware do!

I find myself wanting to say "That is a good point" to almost every opinion regarding that deleted scene. I guess that is just an indicator that we really cant determine why exactly it was cut. 

[llbountyhunter]

paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OK, so who liked the Mass Effect 3 ending the first time you saw it? I did.

I dont think you were supposed to like it....

LOL. Why not? For me it made a lot of sense even though I had a feeling that something wasn't right.

Sorry you lost me at this point.

[Makrys]

Fingertrip wrote...

What I don't understand is why people say that your LI and most used squadie is the one that comes out of the Normandy during the crash. THAT WAS NEVER the case for me. I use Liara and Garrus primarily through-out. Hell, I even romanced Ashley during the game, and I did not get get her to step out of the Normandy, and I brought her both with and not in the final run.

Always Javik and Liara going out. ALWAYS. I obtained roughly 8K EMS (All DLC's from ME1-ME3) and 100% completetion.)

Well, Liara is my LI, and both she and Garrus were with me on the final run. They both stepped out of the Normandy at the end.

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

But it wasn't planned from the very start. The ME3 script went through numerous rewrites that had nothing to do with indoctrination.

So we've been told. Would be far from the first time an author has spread misinformation about their work in order to preserve a secret. The actors and entire film crew for Star Wars were lied to and given fake scripts to preserve the secret that Vader was Luke's father until the last possible moment. 

[llbountyhunter]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

It would be safe to say that if Shepard defeats indoctrination, it would be the turning point in the most important war of all time. In real life, where was the battle that is generally called the turning point of the most important war of real history? ... Normandy.

An interesting thought, but that's probably reaching a bit too far.

For Bioware? Hell no, that is not reaching too far. Could it be a coincidence? Sure. But if true? It's just about conclusive proof that ME3's "Player Indoctrination ending" was planned from the very start. 

But it wasn't planned from the very start. The ME3 script went through numerous rewrites that had nothing to do with indoctrination.

Incorrect, indoctrination gameplay was on the verge of being in the final product.

[paxxton]

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OK, so who liked the Mass Effect 3 ending the first time you saw it? I did.

I did too.  I recognized its flaws in execution, but I actually appreciated the structure, psychology, and thought-provocation even upon my first round with the material. 

First the atmosphere is really dense, then after ascension it becomes light. I liked the confrontation with TIM where your words become your weapon. And then that music and the Starchild scene where you can see the vast reaches of space outside. As would Morinth say: "It's sublime."

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juin 2012 - 05:54 .

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Wanted to repost it...since it looked like it got missed...and this time you won't have to come back for the edit.

For what its worth, I did chime in and say I cant conclusively say that he corporealizes right there unless we get a close-up flycam view. 

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

But it wasn't planned from the very start. The ME3 script went through numerous rewrites that had nothing to do with indoctrination.

So we've been told. Would be far from the first time an author has spread misinformation about their work in order to preserve a secret. The actors and entire film crew for Star Wars were lied to and given fake scripts to preserve the secret that Vader was Luke's father until the last possible moment. 

Well, if you believe all the leaked scripts were fake... then sure. But I do not. Especially considering the current in game plot follows much of the plot found in at least one of the scripts. So I do not think they released them intentionally. The script leaks is why they rewrote parts of the game, IMO. Maybe they kept in some of the key themes, battles, conversations and such, but went back in and added in the indoc clues and whatever else they wanted to. 

Either way, I highly doubt the IT was the plan from the get go 5 yrs ago. It was no where to be seen in Karpyshyn's script as far as I know.

Modifié par Makrys, 07 juin 2012 - 05:56 .

[dreamgazer]

paxxton wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OK, so who liked the Mass Effect 3 ending the first time you saw it? I did.

I did too.  I recognized its flaws in execution, but I actually appreciated the structure, psychology, and thought-provocation even upon my first round with the material. 

First the atmosphere is really dense, then after ascension it becomes light. I loked the confrontation with TIM where your words become your weapon. And then that music and the Starchild scene where you can see the vast reaches of space outside. As would Morinth say: "It's sublime."

The (from my standpoint, intentionally) surreal qualities of the ending fascinated and troubled me to equal degrees.  Hence, why I'm here.