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[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

Sup guys, what've I missed in a hundred pages?

Been out of action due to getting my (N7 themed? It's black and red...) new gaming PC on the go:

It's going to be awesome...

 What size is that motherboard?

[SS2Dante]

HellishFiend wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Can whoever made the youtube vid of the gun do the same for the child in control ending? The idea that he becomes visible for a second is interesting, but without a good analysis video is too vague to comment on.

Prettz is working on a final cut of the gun video, and I believe after that, he is going to do a video for the child in the control ending. 

Gotta love this thread. Productive.

I wonder what changes he has to make for the cut? Apart from the few spelling issues, I mean. Still, cool.

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

But it wasn't planned from the very start. The ME3 script went through numerous rewrites that had nothing to do with indoctrination.

So we've been told. Would be far from the first time an author has spread misinformation about their work in order to preserve a secret. The actors and entire film crew for Star Wars were lied to and given fake scripts to preserve the secret that Vader was Luke's father until the last possible moment. 

And in that case, didn't Lucas not reveal it until they actually filmed that scene...because they wanted as much raw emotion as possible for Luke's "Noooooo...it's not true".

Or similar to how Peter Jackson left the scene where Viggo broke his toe kicking a helmet (which wasn't in the script by the way) because of the emotion that was on the screen...

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Sup guys, what've I missed in a hundred pages?

Been out of action due to getting my (N7 themed? It's black and red...) new gaming PC on the go:

It's going to be awesome...

 What size is that motherboard?

Damn that looks sexy. Looks like a regular ATX.

[Unschuld]

TSA_383 wrote...

Sup guys, what've I missed in a hundred pages?

Been out of action due to getting my (N7 themed? It's black and red...) new gaming PC on the go:
*snip*
It's going to be awesome...

Nice. N7 themed, eh? Wouldn't have anything to do with a certain "Shepard Computer" that was posted in the last thread, would it?


There's a bunch of cool stuff that's cropped up in your absence. Starbinger turns into a "real boy" in the control ending for a brief second, and someone posted a downloadable high-res and brightened breath scene for better viewing. Good to see you around again!

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Sup guys, what've I missed in a hundred pages?

Been out of action due to getting my (N7 themed? It's black and red...) new gaming PC on the go:

It's going to be awesome...

 What size is that motherboard?

Damn that looks sexy. Looks like a regular ATX.

All I have to say about it is damn, those are some massive memory heatsinks. 

Aside from that:

Off topic presence detected, activating security protocol! 

[D.Sharrah]

Rosewind wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Wanted to repost it...since it looked like it got missed...and this time you won't have to come back for the edit.

For what its worth, I did chime in and say I cant conclusively say that he corporealizes right there unless we get a close-up flycam view. 

He looks like it in control but in synthesis kinda looks like a trick of the light

Fair enough...which is also why I said that I believed we were hoping that someone would flycam it to see if there is a better shot of it.

[dreamgazer]

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

So we've been told. Would be far from the first time an author has spread misinformation about their work in order to preserve a secret. The actors and entire film crew for Star Wars were lied to and given fake scripts to preserve the secret that Vader was Luke's father until the last possible moment. 

And in that case, didn't Lucas not reveal it until they actually filmed that scene...because they wanted as much raw emotion as possible for Luke's "Noooooo...it's not true".

"To Prowse, the most annoying incident came during the filming of The Empire Strikes Back, in which the major plot twist is the revelation of who Luke Skywalker's father really is. In the original film, Skywalker is told by Obi-Wan Kenobi that his father, Anakin Skywalker, was betrayed and murdered by Kenobi's own apprentice, Darth Vader. However, in The Empire Strikes Back, Vader himself reveals that he is actually Anakin. According to director Irvin Kershner, the shooting script had a false page with Vader's dialogue implicating Kenobi as the murderer of Luke's father, but at the time, only he, George Lucas, screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan, and producer Gary Kurtz were privy to the knowledge that Vader and Anakin were to be the same person.

Moments before the scene was filmed, Mark Hamill, the actor playing Luke, was taken aside privately and told the truth by Kershner, who encouraged him to ignore the dialogue Prowse was speaking and "use your own rhythm compared to what he's doing". During filming, Prowse performed the false lines, while the real lines were later spoken by James Earl Jones in post production – the majority of the cast, including Prowse, were not aware of this plot twist until the first screening of the finished film; at the premiere of the film, Prowse was taken aback, and spoke privately to Kershner later, saying that he (in Kershner's words) "would have done it differently" had he known of the twist. In later years, Prowse claimed he would sometimes deliver joke versions of his lines in Empire and Jedi, knowing that the vocal takes would not be used."

(source)

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 juin 2012 - 06:23 .

[ivenoidea]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Wanted to repost it...since it looked like it got missed...and this time you won't have to come back for the edit.

For what its worth, I did chime in and say I cant conclusively say that he corporealizes right there unless we get a close-up flycam view. 

He looks like it in control but in synthesis kinda looks like a trick of the light

Fair enough...which is also why I said that I believed we were hoping that someone would flycam it to see if there is a better shot of it.

As i said earlier, I'll do it if someone tells me how to flycam. It would also be awesome if someone could tell me the name of the tool used to go through the models in the ME3 files. (I remember the first letter being a "u")

[Stigweird85]

paxxton wrote...

OK, so who liked the Mass Effect 3 ending the first time you saw it? I did.

I did, before I had finish I saw the complaint headlines on website -  I didn't read any I was prepared for the worse -To me the worst is Shepard being space Jesus i.e. You choose to allow Shepard to die in order to save the galaxy.

To me I liked the ending as the way I saw the game on my first playthrough(before I read any of this)

I got to the starchild and paused for what felt like 2-3minutes before making a decision. Before this point for me destroy was the only option, it was what I had aimed for since day 1 but for a moment I thought can I really justify genocide of an entire species even one like the Reapers?

Synthesis did seem like an attractive middle ground, but I remembered who my Shepard was supposed to be - a win and all costs.(I even saved the Collector base in ME2 with this Shepard) so I went with destroy knowing that it would have severe consequences.

It was this pause, this moment of uncertainty that made me actually like the endings to extent(Joker running away with my LI notwithstanding) For three games, and in games in particular we have been collectively trained to find the bad guy and defeat him/her/it. Despite this when given the opportunity to defeat the Reapers, I actually had to pause and think, it wasn't an automatic response.

Then I started reading about the indoctrination theory and I saw how close I came to being fooled. It was scary that I could be manipulated in such a way.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Sup guys, what've I missed in a hundred pages?

Been out of action due to getting my (N7 themed? It's black and red...) new gaming PC on the go:

It's going to be awesome...

 What size is that motherboard?

Damn that looks sexy. Looks like a regular ATX.

Probably. That tape in the upper left corner seems small in comparison to the MB.

[Rosewind]

ivenoidea wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Wanted to repost it...since it looked like it got missed...and this time you won't have to come back for the edit.

For what its worth, I did chime in and say I cant conclusively say that he corporealizes right there unless we get a close-up flycam view. 

He looks like it in control but in synthesis kinda looks like a trick of the light

Fair enough...which is also why I said that I believed we were hoping that someone would flycam it to see if there is a better shot of it.

As i said earlier, I'll do it if someone tells me how to flycam. It would also be awesome if someone could tell me the name of the tool used to go through the models in the ME3 files. (I remember the first letter being a "u")

UModel used for looking at model from games based on the unreal engines.

[paxxton]

bigstig wrote...

paxxton wrote...

OK, so who liked the Mass Effect 3 ending the first time you saw it? I did.

I did, before I had finish I saw the complaint headlines on website -  I didn't read any I was prepared for the worse -To me the worst is Shepard being space Jesus i.e. You choose to allow Shepard to die in order to save the galaxy.

To me I liked the ending as the way I saw the game on my first playthrough(before I read any of this)

I got to the starchild and paused for what felt like 2-3minutes before making a decision. Before this point for me destroy was the only option, it was what I had aimed for since day 1 but for a moment I thought can I really justify genocide of an entire species even one like the Reapers?

Synthesis did seem like an attractive middle ground, but I remembered who my Shepard was supposed to be - a win and all costs.(I even saved the Collector base in ME2 with this Shepard) so I went with destroy knowing that it would have severe consequences.

It was this pause, this moment of uncertainty that made me actually like the endings to extent(Joker running away with my LI notwithstanding) For three games, and in games in particular we have been collectively trained to find the bad guy and defeat him/her/it. Despite this when given the opportunity to defeat the Reapers, I actually had to pause and think, it wasn't an automatic response.

Then I started reading about the indoctrination theory and I saw how close I came to being fooled. It was scary that I could be manipulated in such a way.

I honestly admit that I didn't consider the Catalyst to be lying. He gave me 3 choices and the best (after thoughtful analysis, of course) was Control. Least damage, most gain.

[dreamgazer]

Anybody have the link handy that confirms Hudson, Walters or somebody said that Mass Effect 3 had a "Darth Vader" moment?

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

I honestly admit that I didn't consider the Catalyst to be lying. He gave me 3 choices and the best (after thoughtful analysis, of course) was Control. Least damage, most gain.

Considering one of the masterminds of the storyline is a psychologist, I wouldnt be surprised if the fact that so many of us bought into the Starbinger's propaganda is actually a result of the subtle manipulations that reach through the game and affect the player directly. If anyone would know how to do that, a psychologist would. 

[dreamgazer]

paxxton wrote...

I honestly admit that I didn't consider the Catalyst to be lying. He gave me 3 choices and the best (after thoughtful analysis, of course) was Control. Least damage, most gain.

Me knee-jerk reaction was that I can't trust a being that has control over the Reapers. It's kinda like storming into the lair of a super-villain controlling hordes upon hordes of monsters, and them saying: "Oh, okay, okay, okay ... can we talk this out?  Y-you don't have to destroy us!"

Bulls----.

[Arian Dynas]

Turbo_J wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

As for the EC. Sorry. I swear at on time it was stated right in the Q/A portion of the blog... Q. Will there be more game play? A. No. BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences... bla bla

But that looks to be altered.

I remember that, and it does look like they took it out. Sneaky sneaky.

Then it appears that my theory may be more correct than I thought and they chose to fold in the proposed Seige of Earth DLC, rather than just making the EC a "more obvious POV on the indoctrination"

I have to agree with that.

Just for the record, ME3 does end* just not where most would like, but it is an ending... with more 'choice' and outcome than both ME1 and ME2 - ME2, however has much more tangible results... and the 'outcome' of ME3 can't be seen put to use because, well, it's supposed to be an END.

I think the original 'post ending' tie up/expansion was eventually going to be 'sold' (though it may have been free for say 3 months or something), and the negative backlash brought them to their senses. If the current endings had a little more to them and an epilogue, I think they could have gotten away with it... even though the epilogue would have eventually been revealed as fake / part of indoctrination - probably not even considered or thought to elaborate. This could be why the EC will have a price tag on it in 2014.

Actually I doubt the EC was ever going to be sold. Do you know what I DO think it was going to be? Cerberus Network 2.0. Free to people who bought the game direct from EA and Bioware, $15 to everyone who bought it used.

[Stigweird85]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

It would be safe to say that if Shepard defeats indoctrination, it would be the turning point in the most important war of all time. In real life, where was the battle that is generally called the turning point of the most important war of real history? ... Normandy.

An interesting thought, but that's probably reaching a bit too far.

For Bioware? Hell no, that is not reaching too far. Could it be a coincidence? Sure. But if true? It's just about conclusive proof that ME3's "Player Indoctrination ending" was planned from the very start. 

Could be, however I would be more inclined to believe this if Normany was an exception to the naming stracture but I believe all Alliance frigates are named after historic battles.

Another far reaching idea -  cronos station could refer to the greek legend of Chronos who was the personifcation of time itself. There is also a Titan called Cronos but he is famous for castrating Uranus which 1: Doesn't tie into anything and 2: Sounds really disturbing

[TSA_383]

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Sup guys, what've I missed in a hundred pages?

Been out of action due to getting my (N7 themed? It's black and red...) new gaming PC on the go:

It's going to be awesome...

Quite a bit, actually. Luckily for you we've been recapping and rehashing over the last 5 or so pages, so I would suggest going back for a read.  It's good stuff!

Will do, wall of text incoming in a bit.

Makrys wrote...

Nice! I'm currently running on my custom built as well. What processor and gfx card you going with?

At the moment it's got an i7-3820 (like hell am I spending £400 on a processor) and an ati 7970... soon to be two ati 7970s once the mail arrives tomorrow
Sounds mental, but I had a massive, massive short on facebook stock that's paid for the whole thing and more

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

 What size is that motherboard?

Damn that looks sexy. Looks like a regular ATX.

XL-ATX [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Unschuld wrote...

Nice. N7 themed, eh? Wouldn't have
anything to do with a certain "Shepard Computer" that was posted in the
last thread, would it?
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Perhaps

It's currently lacking your epic watercooling setup though, and I don't think my carpentry skills are yet up to doing my epic desk build (http://i49.tinypic.com/121eteb.png) in any respectable way.
Still, looks damn sexy even without all that stuff in yet

http://i.imgur.com/861vJ.jpg
(No more image linking for me lest I get smacked down for taking this thread miles off topic)

Speaking of which:

Unschuld wrote...

There's a bunch of cool stuff that's cropped up in your absence.
Starbinger turns into a "real boy" in the control ending for a brief
second, and someone posted a downloadable high-res and brightened breath
scene for better viewing. Good to see you around again!

This I must investigate.

[MaximizedAction]

Repost from the Twitter thread:

Vertigo_1 wrote...

LMAO:

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/210793925798133760
Dammit someone leaked the new extended cut ending of Mass Effect 3 i.imgur.com/u8BWP.gif - really sad the DLC surprise is spoiled #ME3

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 07 juin 2012 - 06:44 .

[D.Sharrah]

ivenoidea wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Wanted to repost it...since it looked like it got missed...and this time you won't have to come back for the edit.

For what its worth, I did chime in and say I cant conclusively say that he corporealizes right there unless we get a close-up flycam view. 

He looks like it in control but in synthesis kinda looks like a trick of the light

Fair enough...which is also why I said that I believed we were hoping that someone would flycam it to see if there is a better shot of it.

As i said earlier, I'll do it if someone tells me how to flycam. It would also be awesome if someone could tell me the name of the tool used to go through the models in the ME3 files. (I remember the first letter being a "u")

Wish I could tell you how...but as I am on a 360, I don't know myself.

[Skaldian]

Rifneno wrote...

It would be safe to say that if Shepard defeats indoctrination, it would be the turning point in the most important war of all time. In real life, where was the battle that is generally called the turning point of the most important war of real history? ... Normandy.

Stalingrad?

[Arian Dynas]

BleedingUranium wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

So is that "all of earth was a hallucination" idea still circling around? If so id like to bring some points up.

1. The cain.
So part of the evidence for the theory is that the cain doesn't shoot straight when shooting the hades cannon.

This is incorrect the cain DOES shoot straight. Pick up the second cain and shoot the banshee, straight shot. Obviously the first cain was their for dramatic effect. There's a difference from symbolism and theatrics.


2. Anderson repeating his birthplace.

Well this wouldn't be the first time a character does this. Remember miranda?

She tells about depating putting a control chip in shepard during her visit to the citadel. Then again on sancuary.why would she do that??? Might as well move the hallucination starting point again.

I don't see this as being part of IT, so much as it's trying to make sure the player understands it's important. I was made clear at least twice in ME2 that Miranda wanted to put in a control chip, and didn't. Then she feels the need to very, very obviously talk about it again in ME3.

Why? So we remember that. Why it important that we remember the Illusive Man can't control us? Right.

So, why is it important that we know Anderson was born in London? Ideas?

Maybe, if Anderson is indoctrinated, and was indoctrinated in London, that "I" means "Indoctrinated Me" was "born" in London. I dunno, that's my only idea so far.

 

I reiterate, because indoctrinated individuals sometimes share memories. Watch the Cerberus scientist scene on the derelict Reaper again.

[Rosewind]

Hey Arian did you see the Convo I gad with some one this time yesterday about it being odd that the Dream and Romance scene are before Chronos and not before earth. Not like there wasn't time between earth and chronos for it.

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

There's a bunch of cool stuff that's cropped up in your absence.
Starbinger turns into a "real boy" in the control ending for a brief
second, and someone posted a downloadable high-res and brightened breath
scene for better viewing. Good to see you around again!

This I must investigate.

Here is the first screenshot taken of it, once again:



You can clearly see enhanced texturing, sharpened lines, increased opacity, and added coloring. None of which are present in Starbinger's usual appearance. Frankly, I'm shocked I was the first to notice it and point it out, nearly 3 months after the game came out.